I am sorry to say.........

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

You can PM me personaklly, if I cannot answer the question, i will direct you to a safe person to consult with.

why would you say that ? There's tons of breeders happy to answer questions ...that's only compounding the idea that everyone is mean here and they aren't !!! I know you meant well but if it's posted in that section - others may find that kind of question and answer beneficial to them also -

[megansmomma]

This thread makes me want to smack myself in the head with a hammer!

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by TinyMiss

oohh wow.... I'm new here so maybe I shouldn't have opened this forum (hahaha) ... I mean I do agree with you but I have never seen a thread like that before and to hear that it happens a lot and people are afraid to post question makes me not want to post questions myself which is the reason why I even registered... hopefully I get the good answers... if anything I can always delete someone's replies right?

no you cant delete replies..but you can ignore

edited to add: welcome

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

You can PM me personaklly, if I cannot answer the question, i will direct you to a safe person to consult with.

Don't worry Jeanie you can give bathes. I sent her a PM and directed her to the Breeding forum AND to a few well respected breeder. Looks like one of them already answer her question

[Bianca]

The original post was meant to stir the pot and I see it has.
I want nothing to do with any more arguing . The troublemakers sit back and read and have a grand old time.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by red98vett

why would you say that ? There's tons of breeders happy to answer questions ...that's only compounding the idea that everyone is mean here and they aren't !!! I know you meant well but if it's posted in that section - others may find that kind of question and answer beneficial to them also -

I think I already answered her question, so what the other poster, posted what they did;mmmmmmmmmmm

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by TinyMiss

oohh wow.... I'm new here so maybe I shouldn't have opened this forum (hahaha) ... I mean I do agree with you but I have never seen a thread like that before and to hear that it happens a lot and people are afraid to post question makes me not want to post questions myself which is the reason why I even registered... hopefully I get the good answers... if anything I can always delete someone's replies right?

Hi and welcome - I'm an oldie here and no....what's being discussed isn't a normal everyday thing......take a look around - it would take you weeks to read all the good stuff - and an hour to read the bad

there always are going to be 'heated' threads but that's human nature - but only because I have a big mouth I can honestly say in the years I've been here that kind of thing is NOT the norm here.....it's just like in real life - you take the good and the bad and try to walk away with something that will help you.

We have no control over what others may say .....I don't think people go out of their way to intentionally hurt someone but sometimes those that do come across as 'rude' really do have the dogs best interest at heart....

There's so many here involved in rescue and helping others I would hope that would be what's important in the big picture....and again - I'm NOT defending someone who is flat out rude - but everyone is different in not only how they view things but how they say it. The bottom line is people are here because they love dogs...

(ps - only to prove my point - when you see a lock on a thread - that means BAD thread lol) but you won't find that many compared to the zillions of others that are here

[jrsygal37]

I guess another thought on this is since income and disability has been brought up, she is not exactly without income if she does not breed. I believe if you are legally disabled you would be collecting SS Disability no? And, I just have to wonder if this is the case why she'd need to breed to suppliment her income or whether or not it is even legal to be working and collecting (Breeding is income right) or whether it is she is just not reporting the income she makes from breeding. Not attacking. Just bringing up a logical legal point that everyone here bringing up attacks, disabilities, and income has seemed to pass over. Elaine

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Reese1

Jeanie,

I know I just posted to you, but I saw this after. I don't think people attacked her for not having a job because she was disabled. I'm sorry, but IMO that is twisting things.
People were "attacking" her breeding practices and the reasons given for them. JMO
I think people were frustrated that someone was defending her practices and justifying it because of her being disabled, but please point me to where someone for the sake of being mean just plain attacked her disability?

I am responding to this before reading the rest of the thread. I simply want to say thank you because this is exactly what happened. The man who is not posting here yet today was the one defending her practices and that is who also accused me of insensitivity.

That woman was not attacked the way I see all of this....I said it before...this is SPIN. And, yes, that IS a witch hunt....and the person being hunted is NOT a witch.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

"I see so many people saying they are afraid to post questions. I for one am not."

apparently this is a big problem because it has been posted many many many time

heres some proof that it has become uncomfortable for more..

quote " YT has really changed I'm sad by this because I use to really enjoy spending so much of my time here. It used to be such pleasant place. I 100% support educating, but feel there is also a proper way of doing that. Placing others beneath you, surely can't be the way".

"Thank you for taking the words out of my mouth here. I have been watching and wanting to post but I was unsure of how to say what I
ment."

I'm new to YT, and I didn't read the post, but, I have read a few of these comments. I came on here this morning to ask a question.....now, I'm not sure I should ask anything on here!!

"Several have stated that people are hesitant of asking questions, because they fear being jumped, bashed, whatever.....If questions are asked with good intentions for their dogs, one doesn't have to fear that." again its more proof that people are becoming more and more unwilling to voice their questions for fear of being jumped and of course placing their pups in harms way. "But, if questions are asked and advice is offered and one is not willing to take it, and will do what they are going to do anyway, why post your question. That is when YTers become passionate, angry and things get out of hand." whether they take the advise or not and you never really know, we are behind monitors, just putting it out there is great enough..so "oustiders" might see it and have the answers they need..or memebers to intimidated post can get the answers they need..but we individuals see the "mentors" or their "groupies" bashing people..they will look the other way and NOT read the answers and probably choose NOT to stay, again more puppies/dogs at risk because of the mannerism in the way things were addressed,

again! : These people (the same ones) again and again are the ones who are repeat offenders and it causes others to be scared to post and ask questions which is info that maybe a poor defenseless yorkie might depend on their owner knowing.

"I understand how it can look from the outside, but if you really want to listen to advice, I can't see it turning for the worst."

this is how yt is represented...from out siders, insiders, and people who will never become members or stay members

"have had questionable questions before now and again. Instead of posting a thread that I could foresee as going wrong, instead I pm'd a member or two that I have great respect for and asked their opinion."

"newbies" dont have that option

"I think people should also refrain from using the phrase "if you don't have anything nice/helpful/constructive etc to say you shouldn't say anything at all" when they have been helpful like pages and pages back."

whats sad is you believe that...thats how teachers or are supposed to teach.. and again newbys may not know how to navigate to find that information on here.

". some people seem to not be able to ever let things go.." apparently alot of people cant let it go and a lot of people are standing up and saying something because it just isnt right. and on the note "people cant let it go" the same people "on the other side of the fight" cant either with their "venting" threads

"I find it interesting that certain breeders seem to have an axe to grind with rescuers" no i see this actually switched around rescuers have an axe to grind with breeders..they are fighting the loudest and are typically the first to loose control and get nasty. its wonderful with the rescuers do but it doesnt mean they are better then the breeder and just because you might have cleaned one breeders mess up doesnt mean you can direct all that anger and frustration on other breeders that may have never caused any messes.

"This is all just so ridiculous that people want to malign others....acting all holier than thou. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones"
this is the exact reason why people are "venting" now and what people tried to say on the other thread.

interjecting a quote i liked

"This is a YORKIE forum. No one here is God or Mother Teresa. It is not YOUR job to make accusations to ones character! You can get your point across without being total WITCHES"

twinkie2cute i respected n liked ur post as well..but to long to add

here should be another tip for yt administrators to look at and investigate

"every negative/heated post whether it was meant to be negative/heated or not consists of the same handfull of posters."

No disrespect, but I cannot follow this or the post following it. I stopped trying to read it as I don't know who is saying what.

Please try to use the quote thingy....it really makes things clearer.

There is a way to multi quote as well...but you can only do three at a time.

I am not great in explaining HOW to do it, but perhaps you can ask?

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I am responding to this before reading the rest of the thread. I simply want to say thank you because this is exactly what happened. The man who is not posting here yet today was the one defending her practices and that is who also accused me of insensitivity.

That woman was not attacked the way I see all of this....I said it before...this is SPIN. And, yes, that IS a witch hunt....and the person being hunted is NOT a witch.

Nope~she is one of the sweetest people you would ever want to meet but unfortunatly she is away at her cauldron.............ummm wait I meant to say Making Sunday dinner for her family.

[chandracz]

Wow, I can't believe this thread has so many posts!

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

No disrespect, but I cannot follow this or the post following it. I stopped trying to read it as I don't know who is saying what.

Please try to use the quote thingy....it really makes things clearer.

There is a way to multi quote as well...but you can only do three at a time.

I am not great in explaining HOW to do it, but perhaps you can ask?

being i posted this i dont have a hard time following but maybe others do..??

it simply has quotes from THIS thread with my opinion in blue

there was too many i wanted to address to quote and then type..it would take to long

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by kjcmsw

I think...and we all know what I think is just what I think, to be taken or left --- when someone asks a question...even if the question is phrased in such a way that it appears the one asking isn't highly educated - in Yorkie matters, et al...that those that choose to respond should simply answer the question(s) and try to keep personal opinions on the back burner because their personal opinions are just that, whether those opinions have some basis in fact or not, just answer the question if you know the answer, if not, why respond at all?...unless of course the poster specifies they are not looking for an answer to a specific question and are seeking to hear personal opinions on a matter.
It seems to me that for those that have a deep seated need to express their opinions should post those opinions as new threads in the discussion part and then those that have the same opinions could have a back and forth discussion with them, thus keeping the attacks in check. Throwing in your opinion and not answering the question posted does nothing to reinforce one's professional and educated status on a subject. Also anything beyond the answer unless it is to state a particular stat (absolutely proven as fact) related directly to the question is simply fodder for fools and addresses only the responder's need to keep reinforcing their own beliefs, which presents itself as questionable as to its reliability and basis in fact. Therefore when going beyond just answering the question the responder should also provide a direct reference to their quoted stat if they want your addition to be taken seriously. Think of it as a peer-reviewed paper.
~KC

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Nope~she is one of the sweetest people you would ever want to meet but unfortunatly she is away at her cauldron.............ummm wait I meant to say Making Sunday dinner for her family.

Thank God. I would wish that she never sees this thread because it is sure to hurt her feelings. That, I believe, is exactly the intention and that also disgusts me because I see the people who are doing it as insensitive themselves. There is NO reason for this meanness...it does NOT legitimize what they SPIN as meanness.

She is an extremely kind and generous individual who does not deserve what is being insinuated by the op.

This thread totally disgusts me, but as I said, I realize that some things just have to play out; and this is not my message board or my call.