Chocolate Show Dog!!!!!!

[La Princesa]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

All facial expression is lost because of the lack of pigment(amber eyes,pink nose and eye rims).
Ok, nuff said from the skeptic tank!!!!

Maybe thas how i feel about the chocs as well.

OP. I am sorry you jumped the gun on celebrating you win. Its not hard to lose when your the only one there. I do feel that you and your crew of posters have an up hill battle and a lot of hard work to do to bring a standard to this breed.

I have never once read about any of those wishing to specialize in breeding chocolate Yorkies doing any DNA testing to make sure that they are breeding the healthiest pups and to me that is just the tip of the Iceburg if what needs to be done.

To me a Yorkie is a Yorkie no matter what the color, but there is a standard set in place for a reason. I feel stepping into a ring was a bad thing to do and I personally would have researched more on the YTCA standard, the Biewer breeding program and other stuff before I went placing my dogs in shows. IF you want to be the first or bring about change you need to do it in a positive manor that compels you to move forward.

To me Placing your baby in the show as well as posting the winning of the show here produced the same result, which is no forward movement on your breeding program.

The best thing you can do is take what people have said here that is factual and learn from it. Do what you have to do to ensure that your chocolate breeding program is healthy and done with love and not just to make money. Developing a standard for chocolate Yorkies that is widely accepted is going to take time and hard work.

[YorkyDiva]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

Ozmillion ring a bell??? You can't say that you don't advertise...you may not have offered any for sale but you sure would making it known what was in your pedigree no matter how far back it was.

That was NOT an advertisement and I can prove the OZMILLION line. There are many in the background starting back a few generations in the background on both sides of the pedigree of the CHOCOLATE male.
So you are either jealous or involved in with your friend trying to bully, bash and harrass, slur, slander and defame character of myself.
I don't make statements I can't back up. Remember the one about the 21 colors? I proved it from a paper in the 90's.
AND, he is DNA certified by AKC.

[buddybramble]

The way these threads go is soooo damaging to YorkieTalk, theres been a few very similar recently and its always the same names appearing with the not so nice comments. You look back at other posts made by certain names and they are all the same, full of sarcasm, unkind words, and closed minds.
and all done in the name of 'trying to educate'

Its such a shame these are 'grown women' posting these comments.

so sad.........
shame on you, you know who you are

[diggy4]

Originally Posted by buddybramble

The way these threads go is soooo damaging to YorkieTalk, theres been a few very similar recently and its always the same names appearing with the not so nice comments. You look back at other posts made by certain names and they are all the same, full of sarcasm, unkind words, and closed minds.
and all done in the name of 'trying to educate'

Its such a shame these are 'grown women' posting these comments.

so sad.........
shame on you, you know who you are

Amen... The words Butt ugly being used and others agreeing....come on...this is YORKIE talk!! Even in the human race we have people that may not be appealing NEVER is it appropriate to call anyone or anything that. Ever. I can handle a heated debate and opinions with the best of them even at times say they are educational....NOTHING is educational about the words butt ugly even if you say JMO...your opinion could be I dont find them appealing at all...same point not so offensive....That seriously saddenes me.

[diva pup]

Originally Posted by buddybramble

The way these threads go is soooo damaging to YorkieTalk, theres been a few very similar recently and its always the same names appearing with the not so nice comments. You look back at other posts made by certain names and they are all the same, full of sarcasm, unkind words, and closed minds.
and all done in the name of 'trying to educate'

Its such a shame these are 'grown women' posting these comments.

so sad.........
shame on you, you know who you are

I am not going to take this personally even tho my comment was not "kind" but frankly this was an educational thread.
Lorraine,Brooklynn, mardelin,yorkikist,feminivstr and everyone who got very involved tried to "educate" the woman and hopefully any new members that might be researching a 'chocolate yorkie'. They did not do it for any personal gain, they did it because they are passionate about keeping the breed standard.

Threads like this DO give YT a bad name, but not in the way you mean.

[lisatodd]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

I think so too..

my feelings exactly. also if there are pups, to inflate the adoption fee or make them look more desirable

[YorkyDiva]

Originally Posted by YorkyDiva

I just got an email and don't have all the particulars as of yet, but one of my female chocolate Yorkies puppies from a previous litter took 2nd in best bitch in a UKC show. Here is an earlier picture. Will give more details as I learn them. She is the one on the left in this picture.

I should have waited until I did have all the particulars.

[YorkyDiva]

Originally Posted by YorkyDiva

I really think Shanette Barbee should be the person to get all the credit for having the insight to show Carmella. She was even summoned from ringside after the show and commended for showing such a unique color by 3 judges
to the ring. I myself am truly grateful to Shanette and Carmella and thanks to Kelly Krack to assist Shannette at the show! I am Carmella's breeder, but Shannette is the person who entered her in the UKC showring and got her
2nd in best bitch. Please congratulate Shannette!

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by YorkyDiva

I should have waited until I did have all the particulars.

Dear Kimberly

As I looked yesterday at AKC's site, no DQ currently exists.

At any rate, none currently exists under either standard, so an off-color dog cannot be disqualified. No AKC judge can DQ a dog until the standard takes effect on and after October 1. No dog may be DQ'd for color under the UKC standard.

I can only speak for the judge who contacted me, and she correctly withheld the awards. Her name is Linda Reece.

Mark E. Threlfall
Executive Vice President
United Kennel Club, Inc.®
Your Total Dog Registry since 1898
www.ukcdogs.com
Our Dogs do Stuff

[Chrissy0277]

Im just sitting here shaking my head..
Im glad the judge withheld the 1st place ribbon. Next thing you know people are going to start and try to show "white" yorkies..ughh

The standard of the breed is there for a reason

[YorkyDiva]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Dear Kimberly

As I looked yesterday at AKC's site, no DQ currently exists.

At any rate, none currently exists under either standard, so an off-color dog cannot be disqualified. No AKC judge can DQ a dog until the standard takes effect on and after October 1. No dog may be DQ'd for color under the UKC standard.

I can only speak for the judge who contacted me, and she correctly withheld the awards. Her name is Linda Reece.

Mark E. Threlfall
Executive Vice President
United Kennel Club, Inc.®
Your Total Dog Registry since 1898
www.ukcdogs.com
Our Dogs do Stuff

So it is my understanding that 1st place was with held and that is what you are speaking of, but she did recieve 2nd place red ribbon? And was the only dog in the category?

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

I dont believe for one minute that a parti miraculously(sp) appeared out of generations of standard colored yorkies without the intoduction of another breed with parti genes.(shih-tzu, papillon,maltise) Didnt the Biewers breed for over 10 years before introducing this "new"breed to the world? Were any DNA samples taken while the Biewers were creating this new breed? I dont know much about them except from what I have read. And I am not trying to insult the Biewer breeders who are trying hard. So far they are not even recognized by the German Kennel Club. But, time will tell. I am just a little skeptical.

You're right, the parti's didn't miraculously appear out of generations of standard colored yorkies ... they've been appearing out of generations of standard yorkies since the late 1800's but have been culled, kept secret, given away or destroyed (same goes with chocolate and goldens).

If the off colored dogs are to be culled, than should all of their blue and tan siblings, and previous decedents. Doesn't matter if the line has 100 champions ... If the off colored yorkie is the product of 2 registered yorkies, and if this off colored pup is culled, than cull all of his relatives too. Right, that seems fair? ;-)

Just because a yorkie has the correct blue and tan color, doesn't mean it won't produce the wrong color when bred to another yorkie with that same "wrong color" recessive gene.

I understand your passion but please allow those who want to love, breed and promote these colorful yorkies, to do so. You don't have to like it and you don't have to buy one but these dogs have every bit as much right to be called a Yorkshire Terrier as their blue and tan siblings.

Man couldn't control the genetic make up of the unregistered, part-bred dogs who begun this breed, and as much as man would like, he's still unable to control the recessive genes that have been passed down from one generation to the next in our yorkies today.

I commend the lady who showed her chocolate, she stood behind her dog, knowing there would be some controversy ... Good for you! Congratulations!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by YorkyDiva

So it is my understanding that 1st place was with held and that is what you are speaking of, but she did recieve 2nd place red ribbon? And was the only dog in the category?

By awarding the dog the 2nd place ribbon, the judge clearly sent the message that the dog was not to the standard (color). Her other options would have been to dismiss the dog or completely withhold the ribbon, she took the kinder option.

[Gazou]

Peoples should try to produce Yorkies that look like Yorkies before trying to improve the " cute " chocolate color . This way there will be less and less peoples asking if they have purebred Yorkies .

[CO_yorkie_momma]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I don't think your dog is stupid and the show wasn't stupid I just hope you do come back to the show ring and have a great time as it should be We gotta start somewhere and now that you know what is expected in the show ring I hope you have a great experience and learn from alot of show breeders
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Wow... this was probably all anyone needed to say in the first place. Too bad all of these thread have to fall apart when all we needed to say is what you just said right here.