Chocolate Show Dog!!!!!!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Dear Kimberly

As I looked yesterday at AKC's site, no DQ currently exists.

At any rate, none currently exists under either standard, so an off-color dog cannot be disqualified. No AKC judge can DQ a dog until the standard takes effect on and after October 1. No dog may be DQ'd for color under the UKC standard.

I can only speak for the judge who contacted me, and she correctly withheld the awards. Her name is Linda Reece.

Mark E. Threlfall
Executive Vice President
United Kennel Club, Inc.®
Your Total Dog Registry since 1898
www.ukcdogs.com
Our Dogs do Stuff

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't a recent ruling made by AKC that no AKC judge could judge in any other registery (kennel clubs, United Kennel Club/Continental Kennel Club) events? I only ask because this judge is not listed as an AKC judge. Not, that it makes any differance.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Dear Kimberly

As I looked yesterday at AKC's site, no DQ currently exists.

At any rate, none currently exists under either standard, so an off-color dog cannot be disqualified. No AKC judge can DQ a dog until the standard takes effect on and after October 1. No dog may be DQ'd for color under the UKC standard.

I can only speak for the judge who contacted me, and she correctly withheld the awards. Her name is Linda Reece.

Mark E. Threlfall
Executive Vice President
United Kennel Club, Inc.®
Your Total Dog Registry since 1898
www.ukcdogs.com
Our Dogs do Stuff

The Executive Vice President is correct. However, the DQ has been published in the AKC Gazette and on the YTCA Yorkie Express.

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by YorkyDiva

Oh, you want to accuse someone else of ulterior motives?

Well, let put it this way, since the day you have joined this board 90 % of your
postings have been to promote your $$$$$ Chocolate Yorkies.

The show breeders have done nothing but try to educate about the standard.

So don't try to blame me for a post you started because
you pretty much knew How It Was Going To Turn out.

Maybe you didn't think anyone would check it out.

The best advise I can give those who like the color is to find a different registery
that may give this dog their own Name and Set a standard for this dog.

Hold there own shows.

Start your own forum.

If this dog ever does get it's own Name and Standard then those who are breeding for just the BIG $$$$$$
Will find they are no longer anymore Desirable (then the standard Yorkies) or be able to claim they are Rare.

[yoursotino]

I know I don't have to read it but it seem like that is all that there is one here lately. As for the person with the chocolate babies Go girl go. Yeah it is not the standard but at one point chocolate labs were not desirable either and look at them now. I happened to know this particular breeder and have bought a female off of her that everyone who see her fall in love with her and when we can get her coat out she will be in the rings and no she is not a chocolate but the perfect standard of a Yorkie. So you all need to lay off it is not about money it is about something different and sometime different is wonderful. Personally anything that has to do with chocolate I love it!!!!

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't a recent ruling made by AKC that no AKC judge could judge in any other registery (kennel clubs, United Kennel Club/Continental Kennel Club) events? I only ask because this judge is not listed as an AKC judge. Not, that it makes any differance.

Judge Linda Reece seems to be a UKC judge not AKC.

Mardelin as far as a Judge crossing over

The policy states, with some notable exceptions, that AKC approved judges should be focused on judging and supporting AKC events. Approved judges should not have a significant interest in another registry that is in direct conflict with AKC or be judging for another event-giving organization to the possible detriment of events held by AKC member and licensed clubs.

The complete policy is as follows. Bolding has added for added for emphasis.

JUDGING CONFLICT OF INTEREST POLICY

No AKC judge may have a significant interest in a dog registry or dog event-giving organization deemed by the AKC Board to be in competition with the American Kennel Club. Significant interest would include, but not be limited to ownership of, employment by, a directorship in, and holding office in.

Any AKC-approved judge, who shall judge a purebred dog event in the U.S. not in accordance with the rules of AKC, which apply to such purebred dog events without the express permission of the AKC, may be disciplined even to the extent of having his or her AKC judging approval revoked.

An AKC-approved judge may judge breeds that are not AKC registrable and/or that they have not been approved for by AKC at non-AKC events. The AKC Board has also given permission for the judging of certain other events based upon the following criteria:
1. AKC has no comparable events in place.
2. While AKC has a program in place, AKC judges have officiated at events under the aegis of the other organization for years before the AKC program was initiated.
3. The type of event is not or would not be perceived as being contrary to the best interest of AKC and the sport of purebred dogs.
4. The event is a breed or type of breed-specific performance activity.

[YorkyDiva]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

Well, let put it this way, since the day you have joined this board 90 % of your
postings have been to promote your $$$$$ Chocolate Yorkies.

The show breeders have done nothing but try to educate about the standard.

So don't try to blame me for a post you started because
you pretty much knew How It Was Going To Turn out.

Maybe you didn't think anyone would check it out.

The best advise I can give those who like the color is to find a different registery
that may give this dog their own Name and Set a standard for this dog.

Hold there own shows.

Start your own forum.

If this dog ever does get it's own Name and Standard then those who are breeding for just the BIG $$$$$$
Will find they are no longer anymore Desirable (then the standard Yorkies) or be able to claim they are Rare.

Is that why you have repeatedly tried to buy one in a private message on another forum and why you previously advertised on your website bragging that your dog was a chocolate gene carrier?

This forum does NOT belong to you or anyone else a member here so no one should try to run people off.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Judge Linda Reece seems to be a UKC judge not AKC.

Mardelin as far as a Judge crossing over

The policy states, with some notable exceptions, that AKC approved judges should be focused on judging and supporting AKC events. Approved judges should not have a significant interest in another registry that is in direct conflict with AKC or be judging for another event-giving organization to the possible detriment of events held by AKC member and licensed clubs.

The complete policy is as follows. Bolding has added for added for emphasis.

JUDGING CONFLICT OF INTEREST POLICY

No AKC judge may have a significant interest in a dog registry or dog event-giving organization deemed by the AKC Board to be in competition with the American Kennel Club. Significant interest would include, but not be limited to ownership of, employment by, a directorship in, and holding office in.

Any AKC-approved judge, who shall judge a purebred dog event in the U.S. not in accordance with the rules of AKC, which apply to such purebred dog events without the express permission of the AKC, may be disciplined even to the extent of having his or her AKC judging approval revoked.

An AKC-approved judge may judge breeds that are not AKC registrable and/or that they have not been approved for by AKC at non-AKC events. The AKC Board has also given permission for the judging of certain other events based upon the following criteria:
1. AKC has no comparable events in place.
2. While AKC has a program in place, AKC judges have officiated at events under the aegis of the other organization for years before the AKC program was initiated.
3. The type of event is not or would not be perceived as being contrary to the best interest of AKC and the sport of purebred dogs.
4. The event is a breed or type of breed-specific performance activity.

Thanks for clarifying. I can only speak to such instances of communication with various judges; AKC making it a bit more difficult for them to judge other shows than AKC or those Kennel Clubs that are fully recognized by AKC.

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by YorkyDiva

Is that why you have repeatedly tried to buy one in a private message on another forum and why you previously advertised on your website bragging that your dog was a chocolate gene carrier?

This forum does NOT belong to you or anyone else a member here so no one should try to run people off.

No, I have never repeatedly contacted you.
I PM'ed you once or twice.
Before I knew who you and your friend were.

At one time I did think about breeding Chocolates
but
The fact is after learning more about the breed standard,
I decided chocolates are not the type of dog I care to breed.
I only care to breed to the standard.
As far as the carrier I had ...he produce one litter and is no longer being bred.

[yoursotino]

if that is the case why are you so worried about what other people are doing. It is up to the breeder of her dog to do what is responsible not anyone else. If they are not accepted so be it, but Katie bar the door when they are. It seems to be that you all need to spend more time grooming your dogs then bashing other breeder on yorkies talk If she get more then you or I do for her puppy yeah rah she must know what she has and people like her puppies or they wouldn't pay that price. Arent your puppies worth that much?

[yoursotino]

if that is the case why are you so worried about what other people are doing. It is up to the breeder of her dog to do what is responsible not anyone else. If they are not accepted so be it, but Katie bar the door when they are. It seems to me that you all need to spend more time grooming your dogs then bashing other breeders on yorks talk If she gets more then you or I do for her puppy yeah rah she must know what she has and people like her puppies or they wouldn't pay that price. Arent your puppies worth that much? Oh for the people about the judges thank you that information was worth reading I love getting things off of York talk that will help my breeding program and teach me things I dont know. It is to bad that people use this site as vendetta rather that fact finding or when you need help with something. All I know is I love my little Annie and the rest of my Yerkes and I wouldn't take any amount of money for them so I guess it is about the money.

[lisatodd]

[QUOTE=yoursotino;1392461]if that is the case why are you so worried about what other people are doing. It is up to the breeder of her dog to do what is responsible not anyone else. If they are not accepted so be it, but Katie bar the door when they are. It seems to me that you all need to spend more time grooming your dogs then bashing other breeders on yorks talk If she gets more then you or I do for her puppy yeah rah she must know what she has and people like her puppies or they wouldn't pay that price. Arent your puppies worth that much? Oh for the people about the judges thank you that information was worth reading I love getting things off of York talk that will help my breeding program and teach me things I dont know. It is to bad that people use this site as vendetta rather that fact finding or when you need help with something. All I know is I love my little Annie and the rest of my Yerkes and I wouldn't take any amount of money for them so I guess it is about the money


you are what gives breeders a bad name

[love_me_cody]

Originally Posted by yoursotino

if that is the case why are you so worried about what other people are doing. It is up to the breeder of her dog to do what is responsible not anyone else. If they are not accepted so be it, but Katie bar the door when they are. It seems to me that you all need to spend more time grooming your dogs then bashing other breeders on yorks talk If she gets more then you or I do for her puppy yeah rah she must know what she has and people like her puppies or they wouldn't pay that price. Arent your puppies worth that much? Oh for the people about the judges thank you that information was worth reading I love getting things off of York talk that will help my breeding program and teach me things I dont know. It is to bad that people use this site as vendetta rather that fact finding or when you need help with something. All I know is I love my little Annie and the rest of my Yerkes and I wouldn't take any amount of money for them so I guess it is about the money.

Um.. You're kind of putting people down. You went about proving your point in a bad way....

[MorkieAZ]

Not trying to say anything bad here...but don't most reputable breeders have a waiting list? Wouldn't you think these chocolate puppies would already be spoken for if they were so desireable?

Juuust saaaaaying...no offense.

[love_me_cody]

Originally Posted by lisatodd

you are what gives breeders a bad name

That was kind of harsh! I would just say she's not going about her opinions the right way, not saying she's what gives breeders a bad name. No one really knows her to make that decision from one post... But oh well, we're intitle to our own opinions..