The Hardest Post for me to write...

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by gutu28

I'm not sure if you saw it or not, but she stated she has been trying to get in touch with Stacy through PM, phone, etc..she has taken private steps to address it, but they obviously aren't going anywhere. She has been waiting for 5 months for papers..thats a long time to wait with barely any response.

She also stated that in order to get the papers Haruka had to be SPAYED, so she obviously isn't planning on breeding her. She paid for a AKC REGISTERED dog and that's what she was expecting, but the breeder didn't uphold her end of the contract..she said that too, I don't know if you saw it..

Honestly, if I was Michiko, by this point, I wouldn't be worried about being fair to Stacy anymore since that's what she's BEEN doing for the past 5 months..

Michiko told Stacy in an email about posting this thread, so she was aware or it coming out..Maybe the breeder should have thought about those consequences when she decided to ignore Michiko for 5 months or sell Timmy a dog that was much sicker than she originally said..IMO

[diva pup]

"This is a website where honest opinions and experiences w/ breeders is much appreciated. People USE these opinions to guide their purchasing a new furry member of their family."


At what point are you responsible for doing your own homework?
There have been many many threads on how to find a reputable breeder, MOST of the breeders on here do not fit into all the categories.


It is, IMO, bad form to discuss any breeder, bad or good on a public forum without having the other side of the story.
You can certainly mention red flags on websites or serious health issues within a breeding program but I have seen breeders get blasted here by name for selling a dog that later had LP, I always want to ask...did you let the puppy play Superman and jump off everything?

I cannot comment on Staceys breeding program, I know nothing about it but
I would think some would be a little more careful in their public responses, I have seen people sued for less on these dog forums .

[yougetthesmiles]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Hi Elaine - Yes you are right about that but just like Michiko I didn't want to say anything too soon because I wanted to give Stacy a opportunity to respond to my email.

Michiko - I applaud you for coming out and speaking your mind. I know we've spoken several times and I know how important these papers were to you. As I've told you several times I'm so sorry you are going through this.


Here is my story. I'm not the type to bash anyone and I don't want anyone to bash me. This is why I didn't come sooner. I purchased Lilly and yes I knew she had a heart murmur but wasn't aware it was as severe as it is since her for sale ad and what she personally told me ...Lilly needed no meds nor showed signs so I decided to get her. My kids have heart murmurs and they live a perfect normal life. Stacy is a great person and was great through everything UNTIL I got Lilly. When I found out that Lilly has possible PDA I emailed Stacy and told her what my vet said. I also asked her what her vet had to say about her murmur and she said that her vet said it was a stage 5...well that was a surprise to me because a stage 5 murmur is not good. I also asked if she had any x-rays done and she said she didn't because she didn't have the funds for it after she had to have her parents fixed.....understandable but I feel she should have said that to me and then I would have made the decision to adopt her or not.. I sent her another email asking for medical records...this was almost 2weeks ago and I haven't heard from her. I know Stacy can be a great person and she received me with arms wide open. All her babies were adorable and I know she loves them all. I just think something is wrong. Not sure what though. After all this I hold no grudge against her. I don't want my money back nor I want to take Lilly back. I just want her support. I don't think that was too much to ask for. Unbelievable I've only had Lilly for about 2 weeks and she is so attached to me just like I'm so attached to her and as I stated on my thread I'm going to do everything to save her. Although the price to save her was a shock but just like I told some of the girls here....she is so well worth it. Right now she's okay but with her condition they say she will not live past one and she's going to be 8 months old. She has a cardiologist appt on the 19th and her surgery will be scheduled immediately after that. Without the surgery she has no chance but with the surgery she will live a normal life.

Michiko, Des, Elaine, Kalina - thanks for your support!

I'm praying for Lilly!

Did you have to pay for her, or did you just adopt her?

If you paid for her, then I would say that the breeder should be the one footing the vet bills.

[TLC]

You can certainly mention red flags on websites or serious health issues within a breeding program but I have seen breeders get blasted here by name for selling a dog that later had LP, I always want to ask...did you let the puppy play Superman and jump off everything?

I am commenting on this statement b/c IMO it is un-called for. I happen to have 2 dogs with LP. I have done an ENORMOUS amount of research on LP. Just so you know - DOGS ARE NOT BORN WITH LUXATING PATELLA - That's why SO MANY BREEDERS get AWAY with saying LP is not 'classified' as hereditary!!!!

Got news for you - Luxating Patella is hereditary - Dogs that start to have their Patella's Luxate with the first 8 months of life have it b/c it is in their genes. That means the dogs 'bone structure make up' will allow the patella to start to luxate at some point!

Sure, can Patella Luxate due to injury? Yes they can also Luxate from injury, which happens to most BIG DOGS.

Small dogs like Yorkies - Luxating Patella is Hereditary and MOST Ortho Specialist will tell you so as well as an ENOURMOUS amount of studies and research that is documented all over the place.

Like I said - BREEDERS - get a FREE pass b/c (most) Dogs are not born with their patella's luxating

** Sorry I didn't mean to go off topic, it's just that remark about got me frustrated, yet again.

[Judy in Waco]

As buyers we ARE responsible for doing our own research, but how can we if the facts aren't out there? The facts weren't out there about my breeder, so how was I to know if there were issues?

I agree that there are two sides to every story and yes, someone should always have the opportunity to present their side of a dispute. However, if someone won't defend themselves, that can't keep you from expressing your honest opinions.

I honestly feel that this posting and others like it are very important to all potential puppy buyers. How else are we to make informed decisions?

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by TLC

You can certainly mention red flags on websites or serious health issues within a breeding program but I have seen breeders get blasted here by name for selling a dog that later had LP, I always want to ask...did you let the puppy play Superman and jump off everything?

I am commenting on this statement b/c IMO it is un-called for. I happen to have 2 dogs with LP. I have done an ENORMOUS amount of research on LP. Just so you know - DOGS ARE NOT BORN WITH LUXATING PATELLA - That's why SO MANY BREEDERS get AWAY with saying LP is not 'classified' as hereditary!!!!

Got news for you - Luxating Patella is hereditary - Dogs that start to have their Patella's Luxate with the first 8 months of life have it b/c it is in their genes. That means the dogs 'bone structure make up' will allow the patella to start to luxate at some point!

Sure, can Patella Luxate due to injury? Yes they can also Luxate from injury, which happens to most BIG DOGS.

Small dogs like Yorkies - Luxating Patella is Hereditary and MOST Ortho Specialist will tell you so as well as an ENOURMOUS amount of studies and research that is documented all over the place.

Like I said - BREEDERS - get a FREE pass b/c (most) Dogs are not born with their patella's luxating

** Sorry I didn't mean to go off topic, it's just that remark about got me frustrated, yet again.

You are 100% correct. My Codie had LP and we took him to several different vets and ortho specialists and they all agreed that it's hereditary (especially in a small dog that is young).

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Judy in Waco

However, if someone won't defend themselves, that can't keep you from expressing your honest opinions.

I'm not taking sides here, because quite honestly, I have respect and concern for both parties involved. Plus, like most everyone else who has posted, I don't know both sides.
However, look at this thread, the posts, and the tone that it has taken. If Stacey DOES have a side to present (which is really no one's business but Michiko's) can anyone blame her for not being gung ho at presenting it at this point? I mean honestly, I think that even if she gave a perfectly understandable explanation at this point, what difference would it make? The damage has been done...and maybe rightfully so, I'm not to say. I just know that if I logged on and came accross 6 pages (in less than 24 hrs) of being drug through the mud, challenged and having had what 'might be the case' regarding my personal life thrown about, I probably wouldn't be so accomodating either. (Of course, even on a good day I wouldn't discuss my business affairs and personal life here, soooo...)
I've come to hate it when situations like this are brought up, regardless of who is right or wrong. It's generally a lose-lose situation for all sides. I realize maybe it's neccessary at times, it's just sad and unfortunate that these things happen at all.

[BubblPopElectrc]

Originally Posted by jim n

What could her defense be for holding the AKC papers for over five months and not returning phone calls and emails? There's no excuse for that.

Agreed. "Two sides every story" doesn't even apply here. Bottom line: a breeder did something she should have and the seller is getting cheated.

Definately try contacting the AKC and any other outlets you can think of. I hope it all works out for you.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by yougetthesmiles

I'm praying for Lilly!

Did you have to pay for her, or did you just adopt her?

If you paid for her, then I would say that the breeder should be the one footing the vet bills.

Yes I paid for her and I'm not even asking her to give me my money back. I didn't pay much for her but after surgery cost and what I paid for her she's going to be a 3,000 pup.

[MaxwellHouse]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

... it's just sad and unfortunate that these things happen at all.

That is soooooo true.

[CO_yorkie_momma]

Timmy, I hope you baby gets better soon and is better than every after surgery. I am sure she is worth it 100% and I know that is alot of money to spend. Good luck.

[bren]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I'm not taking sides here, because quite honestly, I have respect and concern for both parties involved. Plus, like most everyone else who has posted, I don't know both sides.
However, look at this thread, the posts, and the tone that it has taken. If Stacey DOES have a side to present (which is really no one's business but Michiko's) can anyone blame her for not being gung ho at presenting it at this point? I mean honestly, I think that even if she gave a perfectly understandable explanation at this point, what difference would it make? The damage has been done...and maybe rightfully so, I'm not to say. I just know that if I logged on and came accross 6 pages (in less than 24 hrs) of being drug through the mud, challenged and having had what 'might be the case' regarding my personal life thrown about, I probably wouldn't be so accomodating either. (Of course, even on a good day I wouldn't discuss my business affairs and personal life here, soooo...)
I've come to hate it when situations like this are brought up, regardless of who is right or wrong. It's generally a lose-lose situation for all sides. I realize maybe it's neccessary at times, it's just sad and unfortunate that these things happen at all.

This whole situation is unfortunate however, if I were a breeder, I never would have let it come to this. Problems should be addressed when they arise, then they won't snowball into a huge mess. If the breeder was honest and addressed the issue, rather than ignoring it for months, it would not have become the mess that it is becoming. Just because you ignore a problem, does not mean that it will simply go away

[bren]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Yes I paid for her and I'm not even asking her to give me my money back. I didn't pay much for her but after surgery cost and what I paid for her she's going to be a 3,000 pup.

I hope she gets well and is able to live a long, healthy life following her surgery.

[TLC]

I don't think anyone of the people that posted on this thread said anything 'hurtful' towards Stacy. I think they were all as honest and courteous as possible. And I am sure that they did not even post the 'whole' story.

I applaud those that spoke and shared their experience. I am so sorry that you are all going through your own frustrating experience with this particular breeder.

I don't think it is fare for anyone to make you feel that you did something wrong by posting. Stacy, as well as other breeders use this site to their advantage, so you have every right to post your experiences with her or any other breeder.

Stacy may have issues in her personal life, but those issue don't excuse and they actually have NOTHING to do with "BUSINESS". B/c that's what this all comes down to...

The fact is: This was a Business Transaction, first and foremost - Money was exchanged for something (Yorkie) in return.

[sweetr72]

Originally Posted by TLC

I don't think anyone of the people that posted on this thread said anything 'hurtful' towards Stacy. I think they were all as honest and courteous as possible. And I am sure that they did not even post the 'whole' story.

I applaud those that spoke and shared their experience. I am so sorry that you are all going through your own frustrating experience with this particular breeder.

I don't think it is fare for anyone to make you feel that you did something wrong by posting. Stacy, as well as other breeders use this site to their advantage, so you have every right to post your experiences with her or any other breeder.

Stacy may have issues in her personal life, but those issue don't excuse and they actually have NOTHING to do with "BUSINESS". B/c that's what this all comes down to...

The fact is: This was a Business Transaction, first and foremost - Money was exchanged for something (Yorkie) in return.

I totally agree with you 100%..this was a business deal and had this been anyone else they would feel the same way...5 months is plently of time, more than enough time...too much time!! I sell on ebay..it is my responsibility to get buyers their items in a timely manner...its only fair!! I would expect the same from someone I am buying from. Yes things DO come up and a friendly explanation is all that it would take for me to understand a hold up...but being ignored...no way!!

Dawn