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CO_yorkie_momma 02-06-2007 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by miezzi (Post 935701)
OK...I have stayed out of this...but one thing I want to add....

I want to know how many reputable breeders out there are actually making any money. ....

The ones I know......Most of them are in the hole.

Why are they in the hole...because they take every measure possible producing healthy puppies. They do every test imaginable......

They do everything in their power to make sure every puppy is healthy.

If they have a breeding where there is a sick puppy...they try to find out why it is sick. Many times they not breed the parents again.

Reputable and respected breeders are in it to better the breed.

From what I have gathered here....this man who own this business could care less about any of that. He is in it to make money. IMO---he could care less about the welfare of his breeding stock....as long as they keep producing.....sick or not......anything for a quick buck.....:mad:


I would like to know how many breeding dogs he has and how many are actually imported each year.

dobiedude 02-06-2007 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BubblPopElectrc (Post 935681)
That's actually the same thing I thought when I saw it.

She was/is a broker.. how does that make her any better?

That's how it came across to me also. I don't see how it makes her any better but I was not at the court and I do not know what it was all about. That's where I would have liked some more attention paid. Instead of a quick chat with her attorney (BTW attorney's :thumbdown )

dobiedude 02-06-2007 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma (Post 935708)
I would like to know how many breeding dogs he has and how many are actually imported each year.

I agree. He has been on this thread maybe he will answer?

CO_yorkie_momma 02-06-2007 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dobiedude (Post 935705)
Now how would that happen?? oh yeah what I am David I forgot so sorry!.

I reread your question and misread it. I dont sell to breeders because I would live in fear they would end up in a place like Brushy Creek. Many breeders dont sell breeding rights for various reasons. I dont want to get so far off post that this thread will be closed. I didnt mean to imply you were David.

red98vett 02-06-2007 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dobiedude (Post 935709)
That's how it came across to me also. I don't see how it makes her any better but I was not at the court and I do not know what it was all about. That's where I would have liked some more attention paid. Instead of a quick chat with her attorney (BTW attorney's :thumbdown )

The point isn't who's better - it's about SICK Dogs.

Dobie you need your own thread I think where you can debate your butt off -some of what you've posted is relevant ... but lots more is just annoying - do you really care about what's going on or is this a big joke to you ?

Now I'm the one who is just curious. What is your point really ?? back when you joined I DID see your point and understood why you posted - but now I'm lost - you seem to be commenting for the sake of commenting

CO_yorkie_momma 02-06-2007 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dobiedude (Post 935709)
That's how it came across to me also. I don't see how it makes her any better but I was not at the court and I do not know what it was all about. That's where I would have liked some more attention paid. Instead of a quick chat with her attorney (BTW attorney's :thumbdown )

At least she is concerned about her reputation and wants to sell healthy pups and that makes her better. She obvioulsy has a conscious or got herself in a legal mess with selling his sick dogs and had to get compensated for her legal bills too.

woofshepherd 02-06-2007 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma (Post 935623)
But then again I dont imagine he has any sick dogs hanging around with all of the reporters out to get a look at the place. Maybe that is where he is, taking a bunch of sick dogs back to Ireland real quick.

hehehe yeah I bet he is Or maybe (this is a horrible thought...I know) he is taking them to his hunting cabin and setting the sick ones out for bait... who knows. But I do know this.. he doesn't give a crap about animals no matter how you look at it.

MsCheryle478 02-06-2007 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dobiedude (Post 935711)
I agree. He has been on this thread maybe he will answer?


Somehow I seriously doubt that record keeping was something he was good at. Look at how many 100's of sick dogs passed through his hands, but he was an excellent record keeper? I am sure that's why he isn't responding. If the reporter asked him how many dogs he has Mr. Moore probably couldn't answer. How many complaints? Again, no answer. Specific questions in relation to certain dogs that died, again no answer. I can see exactly why he and his attorney chose not to respond. What were they going to do? Claim the fifth amendment on every question? With each question respond with "I'll have to check my records and get back to you on that one". The big eye roll comes right about now.

woofshepherd 02-06-2007 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MsCheryle478 (Post 935720)
Somehow I seriously doubt that record keeping was something he was good at. Look at how many 100's of sick dogs passed through his hands, but he was an excellent record keeper? I am sure that's why he isn't responding. If the reporter asked him how many dogs he has Mr. Moore probably couldn't answer. How many complaints? Again, no answer. Specific questions in relation to certain dogs that died, again no answer. I can see exactly why he and his attorney chose not to respond. What were they going to do? Claim the fifth amendment on every question? With each question respond with "I'll have to check my records and get back to you on that one". The big eye roll comes right about now.

what can you expect from a person who LIES about pretty much everything

red98vett 02-06-2007 10:06 AM

Dobiedude - before this goes even more off base - the bottom line is - The NEWS investigated. The NEWS found enough to run a story. The NEWS obviously has enough factual claims to run a SERIES of stories on this kennel. They tried to get Brushy Creek to comment and he didn't....so based on these facts - what is the HUGE discussion here ?? Why keep this going ?

The other bottom line is this will only HELP DOGS and as a human being who claims to care about animals - that should be a PLUS in your eyes. David Moore isn't going to go out of business over a newshow but maybe he WILL clean up his act.

red98vett 02-06-2007 10:27 AM

OH Good Dobie is taking a break :D :D - I'm ready to start his very own Llama-pittbull-Dobie Debate thread lol - :p for those who have no patience to read 39 PAGES of posts - here are the Media Links

FOX NEWS: First part aired last night - it should be on the site via video and more to follow.

>Go to www.myfoxhouston.com
>Click on the "news" tab
>On the right side of the page, under "only on fox," click on "Randy Wallace, Fox 26 Investigates"
>You will find a list of Randy's stories that can be played on that page. The most recent items are at the top of the list

Inside Edition: It should be airing Nationally Feb 7th -- you can check times in your area by doing this. GO HERE - http://www.insideedition.com/ourstories/thisweek/
at the top - click 'WHERE TO WATCH' ....then in the middle it says 'LOCAL LISTINGS' and you choose your state.

MissLola 02-06-2007 11:07 AM

I know this thread is getting way off topic, but you know what's awesome? If you type "brushy creek kennels" into Google, the first three results are for their sites (all different site addresses and dog breeds, of course :rolleyes: ), but the 4th result is the ripoff report and the 5th result is an archived YT thread about them. :D Keep it up and this thread will be up there too!

dobiedude 02-06-2007 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by red98vett (Post 935755)
OH Good Dobie is taking a break :D :D - I'm ready to start his very own Llama-pittbull-Dobie Debate thread lol - :p for those who have no patience to read 39 PAGES of posts - here are the Media Links

FOX NEWS: First part aired last night - it should be on the site via video and more to follow.

>Go to www.myfoxhouston.com
>Click on the "news" tab
>On the right side of the page, under "only on fox," click on "Randy Wallace, Fox 26 Investigates"
>You will find a list of Randy's stories that can be played on that page. The most recent items are at the top of the list

Inside Edition: It should be airing Nationally Feb 7th -- you can check times in your area by doing this. GO HERE - http://www.insideedition.com/ourstories/thisweek/
at the top - click 'WHERE TO WATCH' ....then in the middle it says 'LOCAL LISTINGS' and you choose your state.

:p :p :p
well they keep coming back for more so it must be worth it! lol and its now 40

dobiedude 02-06-2007 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red98vett (Post 935755)
OH Good Dobie is taking a break :D :D - I'm ready to start his very own Llama-pittbull-Dobie Debate thread lol - :p for those who have no patience to read 39 PAGES of posts - here are the Media Links

FOX NEWS: First part aired last night - it should be on the site via video and more to follow.

>Go to www.myfoxhouston.com
>Click on the "news" tab
>On the right side of the page, under "only on fox," click on "Randy Wallace, Fox 26 Investigates"
>You will find a list of Randy's stories that can be played on that page. The most recent items are at the top of the list

Inside Edition: It should be airing Nationally Feb 7th -- you can check times in your area by doing this. GO HERE - http://www.insideedition.com/ourstories/thisweek/
at the top - click 'WHERE TO WATCH' ....then in the middle it says 'LOCAL LISTINGS' and you choose your state.

Hey open a debate thread.

dobiedude 02-06-2007 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma (Post 935713)
I reread your question and misread it. I dont sell to breeders because I would live in fear they would end up in a place like Brushy Creek. Many breeders dont sell breeding rights for various reasons. I dont want to get so far off post that this thread will be closed. I didnt mean to imply you were David.

I know I was messing with you. It was funny because everyone was calling me David. Oh well

red98vett 02-06-2007 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dobiedude (Post 935811)
Hey open a debate thread.

:D You'd like that wouldn't you ?? :p You CAN start your own you know ....you seem to have a gift for getting people to reply to you lol

Fox26News 02-06-2007 11:34 AM

FOX 26 NEWS--UPDATE and FAVOR REQUEST
 
Hello all,
Just a reminder, if you haven't seen last night's story on Brushy Creek, you can see it here:
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=3.1.1

I have not had a chance to read all the posts today but I want to pass along some information some of you may be wondering about. If we interviewed you (like woofshepherd), then you will be in our next story that could air within a week or two.

Since last night's story aired, we are being bombarded with calls and emails from more people who want to tell us about a bad experience with Brushy Creek. Frankly, I've been doing this for a long time and I've never seen so many people who want to go on the record to complain about a business. Not even from large corporations that have millions of customers like Exxon, General Electric or utility companies or the postal service. Who would think that such a response could come from just one little business in Hockley, Texas? Amazing.

Our next report will deal more on the emotional and financial toll on some of Brushy Creek's customers. We may or may not have time to include comments from law enforcement, district attorney's office and Humane Society. Part three of our report could come sooner rather than later.

Also, I did see a post by Dobiedude from early today or yesterday that was on the money (I know some of you might find it hard to believe). He ventured to guess that last night's story was short and limited in scope because we just wanted to get the story on the air before anyone else. That's pretty much correct. We know of at least two other media outlets working on this story. We wanted to put something on the air as soon as possible to claim the story as ours. That way our marketing people can use phrases such as "first on fox." We knew that the portion of our story involving the civil case was thoroughly researched, documented and ready for air. I don't mind competition at all but we like to be first in this business.

Lastly, I would like to ask a favor of everyone reading this. If you enjoyed the story OR if you hated the story OR if you want to see more stories on Brushy Creek Kennel, please contact our station by email on our website. Here is what you can do:
>Go to our website at www.myfoxhouston.com
>Click on the "about us" tab near the top of the page.
>Click on "contact us" along the left side of the page
>Type a short or long message and send

Our audience has a huge impact on what we cover so any feedback is appreciated. Thanks to everyone for the help and more updates to come!

David

red98vett 02-06-2007 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox26News (Post 935837)
Hello all,
Just a reminder, if you haven't seen last night's story on Brushy Creek, you can see it here:
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=3.1.1

I have not had a chance to read all the posts today but I want to pass along some information some of you may be wondering about. If we interviewed you (like woofshepherd), then you will be in our next story that could air within a week or two.

Since last night's story aired, we are being bombarded with calls and emails from more people who want to tell us about a bad experience with Brushy Creek. Frankly, I've been doing this for a long time and I've never seen so many people who want to go on the record to complain about a business. Not even from large corporations that have millions of customers like Exxon, General Electric or utility companies or the postal service. Who would think that such a response could come from just one little business in Hockley, Texas? Amazing.

Our next report will deal more on the emotional and financial toll on some of Brushy Creek's customers. We may or may not have time to include comments from law enforcement, district attorney's office and Humane Society. Part three of our report could come sooner rather than later.

Also, I did see a post by Dobiedude from early today or yesterday that was on the money (I know some of you might find it hard to believe). He ventured to guess that last night's story was short and limited in scope because we just wanted to get the story on the air before anyone else. That's pretty much correct. We know of at least two other media outlets working on this story. We wanted to put something on the air as soon as possible to claim the story as ours. That way our marketing people can use phrases such as "first on fox." We knew that the portion of our story involving the civil case was thoroughly researched, documented and ready for air. I don't mind competition at all but we like to be first in this business.

Lastly, I would like to ask a favor of everyone reading this. If you enjoyed the story OR if you hated the story OR if you want to see more stories on Brushy Creek Kennel, please contact our station by email on our website. Here is what you can do:
>Go to our website at www.myfoxhouston.com
>Click on the "about us" tab near the top of the page.
>Click on "contact us" along the left side of the page
>Type a short or long message and send

Our audience has a huge impact on what we cover so any feedback is appreciated. Thanks to everyone for the help and more updates to come!

David

:bravo: I'll be adding feedback because what you did IS amazing ...Thank you all so much for airing this story and taking the time to even listen to what's been a long ongoing problem for dogs and people alike.

but how sad on the many emails and phone calls - it's worse than I even thought at Brushy Creek Kennels....I had no idea there would be this kind of reaction but all I can say is WAY TO GO FOX NEWS ! It may go National but this is YOUR story and you deserve all the credit.

Fox26News 02-06-2007 11:45 AM

OOPS, Try this...
 
Direct link to Randy's story from last night seems to have some trouble at times (sending messages still works as described above), so you can try this instead:

>Go to www.myfoxhouston.com
>Click on the "news" tab
>On the right side of the page, under "only on fox," click on "Randy Wallace, Fox 26 Investigates"
>You will find a list of Randy's stories that can be played on that page. The most recent items are at the top of the list

CO_yorkie_momma 02-06-2007 12:02 PM

David,
Have you found out if Inside Edition is doing their story tonight or Thursday night?

red98vett 02-06-2007 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox26News (Post 935864)
Direct link to Randy's story from last night seems to have some trouble at times (sending messages still works as described above), so you can try this instead:

>Go to www.myfoxhouston.com
>Click on the "news" tab
>On the right side of the page, under "only on fox," click on "Randy Wallace, Fox 26 Investigates"
>You will find a list of Randy's stories that can be played on that page. The most recent items are at the top of the list

David ....I just left you feedback and included you, Randy Wallace & the FOX News team.

You've been so great about all this - the report - posting the updates - the links etc & exposing what seems to be a worse problem than originally thought ......

I just want to say again how proud of you I am for bringing this to the attention of Houston and surrounding areas - and now the whole country with your investigation. YOU should be proud of yourself for what you've done for the future of countless dogs.:thumbup:

So....Thank you again ...and, if they could -Dogs everywhere would be thanking you too :)

red98vett 02-06-2007 12:13 PM

ps David ...I really wanted my feedback to read DAVID DESERVES A BIG RAISE lol - but I was serious in what I said in my feedback. You have been just awesome and I hope your higher ups realize that these are the kinds of stories that people really DO care about.

JCarlson2004 02-06-2007 12:17 PM

Wow, that's awesome!! Way to go Daivd and FOX NEWS!! :D

Fox26News 02-06-2007 12:18 PM

Inside Edition update
 
"Inside Edition" has officially moved their story on Brushy Creek to Thursday but you might keep checking their website for updates. Thanks Villette for the kind words! I appreciate it very much.

David

sammiz 02-06-2007 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by
Originally Posted by Little Bit
Did you hear (in the report) that he sold a sick dog, it was returned to him and he still (knowing it was sick) resold it to the lady who (apparently not knowing it was sick) sold it to someone else?

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Originally Posted by dobiedude (Post 935393)
Yes I hear that from her attorney but I trust them less than the media.

Did you also hear that the vet stated the animal had been brought in the week before by another person it had been sold to? Again, as I stated in a previous post, you are simply being contentious. It wouldn't matter what was presented, you would try to find some way to invalidate it. Admit it...you just like to argue and you have found the perfect place for it because these folks feel so deeply about what is being investigated. If David Moore himself admitted all was true, you would seek a way to invalidate his statements as well.

You just aren't the type of person who can readily admit that they have been proven wrong, as you have. You would rather keep the argument going so that you can continue to derive the pleasure you find in being argumentative.

neersyorkies 02-06-2007 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MsCheryle478 (Post 935429)
I am so glad that at least for today it appears one puppymill is going to be put out of business. But as I have always said, to have a kennel so large that you have to hire outside help, I think that in itself speaks volumes. Rescues have to do the same thing, hire outside help. but think of all the lives they are saving. That's why rescues try to use as many foster homes as they can. Knowing that each animal deserves one on one attention and love. No amount of money can buy that.


Great Post :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

I Love Bailey 02-06-2007 12:25 PM

I watched report online and left feedback! Thank you so much for bringing this heartbreaking topic to the general public. I really hope it educates people to start questioning where their puppies and kittens are coming from. I will be watching for upcoming reports!

Thanks again!

midnightmist 02-06-2007 12:51 PM

Still reading and watching over here.The reaction to the Fox report is great.The additional information can only help.Well done to every one for all the work you have done to help those poor dogs and puppies.
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Boodad 02-06-2007 12:56 PM

Well since Brushy Creek lost 1 lets see how many more people come out to sue. Could be a class suit by end.

woofshepherd 02-06-2007 12:57 PM

Fox 26 David
 
:thumbup: I wanted to personally thank you for taking your time to do this amazing story and for interviewing me. It was a pleasure to have been able to tell my story to you guys at Fox 26, Keep up the great job!!!!!!
Even though others (news stations) are doing a story, you at Fox 26 deserve ALL the credit and acknowledgement. I am looking forward to all the other parts of this story, you are truely doing a wonderful thing, for the people and the dogs. :)


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