Petstore Motto: We Do NOT Buy From Puppymills! - YorkieTalk.com Forums

BabyFidgette · 04-10-2006, 12:47 PM

Okay, so today I go into my local petstore to pick Baby up some more Merrick's. They had some little puppies right in an X-Pen as soon as you walk in...a Yorkie

, a Maltese, a Pomeranian , a s**tzu, and a Chihuahua. On a sign I saw: We Do NOT Buy Our Puppies From Puppymills.

Okay, for the question(s): I thought most (if not all) petstores bought their puppies from puppymills? If so, why are some advertising that their puppies don't come from puppymills? Isn't that false advertising? Illegal?

Or, do they think that just because they buy their puppies from a broker, that "technically" the puppies come from a broker, so in reality they are not really buying directly from a puppymill?

This really confuses me, because this is not the first petstore that I saw a sign like this. Did anyone else ever see signs like this? What do you all think of this? So, it's a lie, right?

StewiesMom · 04-10-2006, 12:50 PM

I wonder where they got such an eccletic assortment of dogs then. You should pretend to be interested next time you go and ask to see the AKC papers w/ the breeder's names

BabyFidgette · 04-10-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by StewiesMom

I wonder where they got such an eccletic assortment of dogs then. You should pretend to be interested next time you go and ask to see the AKC papers w/ the breeder's names

Actually, some of these places do have papers...but they are probably false.

txshopper73 · 04-10-2006, 12:55 PM

Most...not all...buy from puppy mills/brokers. There are those few that actually buy from local breeders. I know that I asked about seeing some AKC papers once from our local feed store and they wouldn't show them to me unless I bought the dog.

With the shop you mention, it is very possible that they were grown locally but like Kristy said, if you don't actually see the papers, it's unknown.

Reminds me of a sign I saw the other day at Lowes. It was for mulch and a disclaimer that their mulch DID NOT come from Louisiana. There had been a rumor going around to not buy mulch because they were getting it from trees in Louisiana and that there was termites in them.

yorkieK9trainer · 04-10-2006, 12:55 PM

"Or, do they think that just because they buy their puppies from a broker, that "technically" the puppies come from a broker, so in reality they are not really buying directly from a puppymill?"

ABSOLUTELY! This is the case more often than not. Puppy stores are trying to get around all the new education that that canine populous is putting out there warning potential puppy buyers about puppy mills and so on. SO, they'll often advertise exactly what you witnessed OR they'll sweeten the deal by saying that "These puppies come from private homes (or private breeders)"
And of course while it sounds good, it often just means back yard breeders or hobby breeders who have no care in the world for what they're producing. It's more quantity than quality. The most important thing actually I think is that the puppy's are cute and initially healthy and how many they can produce like this. They often don't care what the Yorkie matures into (including the health issues) and just how closely it resembles the AKC standard.

BabyFidgette · 04-10-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

"Or, do they think that just because they buy their puppies from a broker, that "technically" the puppies come from a broker, so in reality they are not really buying directly from a puppymill?"

ABSOLUTELY! This is the case more often than not. Puppy stores are trying to get around all the new education that that canine populous is putting out there warning potential puppy buyers about puppy mills and so on. SO, they'll often advertise exactly what you witnessed OR they'll sweeten the deal by saying that "These puppies come from private homes (or private breeders)"
And of course while it sounds good, it often just means back yard breeders or hobby breeders who have no care in the world for what they're producing. It's more quantity than quality. The most important thing actually I think is that the puppy's are cute and initially healthy and how many they can produce like this. They often don't care what the Yorkie matures into (including the health issues) and just how closely it resembles the AKC standard.

That's true about not caring about the standard b/c (and I can't believe he told me the truth) the guy at the store told me that his Yorkie was going to be bigger than mine. Well, Baby is already 7+lbs and I know the standard is up to 7. So, if that Yorkie was going to be bigger than Baby, the person he bought that Yorkie from did not breed for standard.

Oh, another thing was that the dog was "only" $1300. Most petstores around here charge over $2000 for a Yorkie. Maybe he did get the dog from a local backyard breeder or this puppy didn't have papers.

But it still doesn't excuse that sign.

BabyFidgette · 04-10-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by txshopper73

Most...not all...buy from puppy mills/brokers. There are those few that actually buy from local breeders. I know that I asked about seeing some AKC papers once from our local feed store and they wouldn't show them to me unless I bought the dog.

With the shop you mention, it is very possible that they were grown locally but like Kristy said, if you don't actually see the papers, it's unknown.

Reminds me of a sign I saw the other day at Lowes. It was for mulch and a disclaimer that their mulch DID NOT come from Louisiana. There had been a rumor going around to not buy mulch because they were getting it from trees in Louisiana and that there was termites in them.

What if they come with ACA papers? That's what Baby came with.

APenichet · 04-10-2006, 01:22 PM

Hobby breeders? Backyard Breeders? What, exactly, is the difference between those and the ones you find on YTCA.org? I'm still new here and trying to sort things out...

Am I the only that finds herself torn between not wanting to support the puppymills and bad breeders but feeling sorry for the dogs that have been stuck at certain questionable puppy stores (*cough*WizardofClaws*cough, cough* Don't shoot!! Don't shoot!!) for months of their lives and are now at the age of four+ months and God only knows what will happen to them if they're not purchased soon? Will they be thrown into a puppymill as a breeder themselves? And bred and bred and bred until they drop?

YorkieRose · 04-10-2006, 01:23 PM

Most brokers buy from Commerical breeders and commerical breeders do not consider themsleves "millers"...in fact they get very nasty if you put their names in the same sentence...but a puppy factory is a puppy factory...it does not have to be dirty and have neglected dogs to be a factory..
Most registeries are now APR and ACA.

BabyFidgette · 04-10-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by APenichet

Hobby breeders? Backyard Breeders? What, exactly, is the difference between those and the ones you find on YTCA.org? I'm still new here and trying to sort things out...

Am I the only that finds herself torn between not wanting to support the puppymills and bad breeders but feeling sorry for the dogs that have been stuck at certain questionable puppy stores (*cough*WizardofClaws*cough, cough* Don't shoot!! Don't shoot!!) for months of their lives and are now at the age of four+ months and God only knows what will happen to them if they're not purchased soon? Will they be thrown into a puppymill as a breeder themselves? And bred and bred and bred until they drop?

You are NOT the only one who feels that way. Honestly, I think everyone does. You see their poor little pathetic pouty faces in a cage and you want to scoop them up and "save" them from the puppystore. Don't worry, just because not everyone does it, doesn't mean it hasn't crossed our minds.

BabyFidgette · 04-10-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Most brokers buy from Commerical breeders and commerical breeders do not consider themsleves "millers"...in fact they get very nasty if you put their names in the same sentence...but a puppy factory is a puppy factory...it does not have to be dirty and have neglected dogs to be a factory..
Most registeries are now APR and ACA.

Okay, this is new for me...what's a "commercial" breeder? Thanks!

YorkieRose · 04-10-2006, 01:36 PM

A commercial breeder is lincensed by the USDA. AS rule they ahve a large business..sometimes 100 to 500 dogs of many breeds..they produce dogs for a living. These pups are bought by the Huntt corp brokers and distributed all over the country to pet shops..a very common practice. They no long use AKC..and that is why APR was started..for the commerical breeders. Most everything in a pet shop is NOT from a breeder called a puppy mill, but a commercial breeder..it is a matter of terms...

hunniebunnie · 04-10-2006, 01:41 PM

i think "commercial breeders" are just large scale breeders who breed for profit. they'll usually have a usda license and breed/raise dogs/puppies in a kennel environment. but because they follow usda rules and adhere to their guidelines for the treatment of animals, they don't consider themselves "millers" who abuse and does nothing to care for the animals other than breed them.

BabyFidgette · 04-10-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

A commercial breeder is lincensed by the USDA. AS rule they ahve a large business..sometimes 100 to 500 dogs of many breeds..they produce dogs for a living. These pups are bought by the Huntt corp brokers and distributed all over the country to pet shops..a very common practice. They no long use AKC..and that is why APR was started..for the commerical breeders. Most everything in a pet shop is NOT from a breeder called a puppy mill, but a commercial breeder..it is a matter of terms...

AHA! Now I got it. Thanks.

cheryl000 · 04-10-2006, 02:09 PM

The Petshop at the mall has the same signs that say they are not from Puppymills. But if you look closer, there are signs over every dog saying what city they are from. ALL of them were from a couple different towns in Missouri. Now I live in California, if they are really from breeders then why would they ship them over here? To me a puppymill and commercial breeder is the same thing. The USDA doesn't do enough to regulate them because they are not a big enough priority.
ALL Petstore puppies are either from Puppymills/commercial breeder or backyard breeders. It sounds like a blanket statement. But part of the definition of puppymill and backyard breeder is the fact that they don't care about where the dogs end up, they are only in it for maximum profit, and they do not see the entire process of raising a puppy and finding it a new home.

04-10-2006, 12:47 PM	#1
BabyFidgette Learn Yorkie CPR! Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,855	Petstore Motto: We Do NOT Buy From Puppymills! Okay, so today I go into my local petstore to pick Baby up some more Merrick's. They had some little puppies right in an X-Pen as soon as you walk in...a Yorkie , a Maltese, a Pomeranian , a stzu, and a Chihuahua. On a sign I saw: We Do NOT Buy Our Puppies From Puppymills. Okay, for the question(s): I thought most (if not all) petstores bought their puppies from puppymills? If so, why are some advertising that their puppies don't come from puppymills? Isn't that false advertising? Illegal? Or, do they think that just because they buy their puppies from a broker, that "technically" the puppies come from a broker, so in reality they are not really buying directly from a puppymill? This really confuses me, because this is not the first petstore that I saw a sign like this. Did anyone else ever see signs like this? What do you all think of this? So, it's a lie, right? __________________ Nicole & Baby "The more men I meet, the more I love my Yorkie!"**

04-10-2006, 12:50 PM	#2
StewiesMom Stewie Rox the Sox Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 6,306	I wonder where they got such an eccletic assortment of dogs then. You should pretend to be interested next time you go and ask to see the AKC papers w/ the breeder's names __________________ Kristy & Stewie

04-10-2006, 12:55 PM	#4
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14,226 Blog Entries: 1	Most...not all...buy from puppy mills/brokers. There are those few that actually buy from local breeders. I know that I asked about seeing some AKC papers once from our local feed store and they wouldn't show them to me unless I bought the dog. With the shop you mention, it is very possible that they were grown locally but like Kristy said, if you don't actually see the papers, it's unknown. Reminds me of a sign I saw the other day at Lowes. It was for mulch and a disclaimer that their mulch DID NOT come from Louisiana. There had been a rumor going around to not buy mulch because they were getting it from trees in Louisiana and that there was termites in them. __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley

04-10-2006, 12:55 PM	#5
yorkieK9trainer YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North eastern Illinois Suburbs Posts: 1,669	"Or, do they think that just because they buy their puppies from a broker, that "technically" the puppies come from a broker, so in reality they are not really buying directly from a puppymill?" ABSOLUTELY! This is the case more often than not. Puppy stores are trying to get around all the new education that that canine populous is putting out there warning potential puppy buyers about puppy mills and so on. SO, they'll often advertise exactly what you witnessed OR they'll sweeten the deal by saying that "These puppies come from private homes (or private breeders)" And of course while it sounds good, it often just means back yard breeders or hobby breeders who have no care in the world for what they're producing. It's more quantity than quality. The most important thing actually I think is that the puppy's are cute and initially healthy and how many they can produce like this. They often don't care what the Yorkie matures into (including the health issues) and just how closely it resembles the AKC standard. __________________ "Big things come in small packages" http://www.myspace.com/yorkiek9trainer

04-10-2006, 01:23 PM	#9
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	pups Most brokers buy from Commerical breeders and commerical breeders do not consider themsleves "millers"...in fact they get very nasty if you put their names in the same sentence...but a puppy factory is a puppy factory...it does not have to be dirty and have neglected dogs to be a factory.. Most registeries are now APR and ACA.

04-10-2006, 01:22 PM	#8
APenichet BANNED! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 33	Hobby breeders? Backyard Breeders? What, exactly, is the difference between those and the ones you find on YTCA.org? I'm still new here and trying to sort things out... Am I the only that finds herself torn between not wanting to support the puppymills and bad breeders but feeling sorry for the dogs that have been stuck at certain questionable puppy stores (coughWizardofClawscough, cough Don't shoot!! Don't shoot!!) for months of their lives and are now at the age of four+ months and God only knows what will happen to them if they're not purchased soon? Will they be thrown into a puppymill as a breeder themselves? And bred and bred and bred until they drop?

04-10-2006, 01:36 PM	#12
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	breeder A commercial breeder is lincensed by the USDA. AS rule they ahve a large business..sometimes 100 to 500 dogs of many breeds..they produce dogs for a living. These pups are bought by the Huntt corp brokers and distributed all over the country to pet shops..a very common practice. They no long use AKC..and that is why APR was started..for the commerical breeders. Most everything in a pet shop is NOT from a breeder called a puppy mill, but a commercial breeder..it is a matter of terms...

04-10-2006, 01:41 PM	#13
hunniebunnie Follower of Yorkietology Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cali-fo-nee-ya Posts: 1,325	i think "commercial breeders" are just large scale breeders who breed for profit. they'll usually have a usda license and breed/raise dogs/puppies in a kennel environment. but because they follow usda rules and adhere to their guidelines for the treatment of animals, they don't consider themselves "millers" who abuse and does nothing to care for the animals other than breed them.

04-10-2006, 02:09 PM	#15
cheryl000 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: none Posts: 1,495	The Petshop at the mall has the same signs that say they are not from Puppymills. But if you look closer, there are signs over every dog saying what city they are from. ALL of them were from a couple different towns in Missouri. Now I live in California, if they are really from breeders then why would they ship them over here? To me a puppymill and commercial breeder is the same thing. The USDA doesn't do enough to regulate them because they are not a big enough priority. ALL Petstore puppies are either from Puppymills/commercial breeder or backyard breeders. It sounds like a blanket statement. But part of the definition of puppymill and backyard breeder is the fact that they don't care about where the dogs end up, they are only in it for maximum profit, and they do not see the entire process of raising a puppy and finding it a new home.