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Old 02-07-2006, 09:56 AM   #61
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Fences keep our pups in, but it's also important to remember that we're trying to keep predators and other dogs out, especially if we have unspayed females. Just my input.
Thank you and you're absolutely right!
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Glad to hear Rebel is getting back to his usual self Thanks for the update! He'll be good as new by the time he gets back to your house
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I do not let my yorkies outside unsupervised unless the enclosure is fully secure, that would mean top, bottom and sides. We have all heard of the dangers that threaten these small dogs and it is not worth the risk in my opinion. If you wish to use a doggy door, that is fine, but imo it needs to go to an enclosed outside kennel that cannot be penetrated from either side or the top with absolutely no means of escape.

ALL access to the outside is closed and my yorkies are contained in an indoor xpen when I have to leave them at home alone.

I do not mean to pick on Kimberley here but rather to use her experience as a way to offer solutions to these types of problems. IMO no dogs should be allowed to even have the potential for getting loose and getting hit by a car or stolen when they are found. I do admit to being a fanatic about this.

I have a westie (18 lbs) who is a digger and I do allow she and my standard poodle to be outside unsupervised, but I would never use any kind of a "hot wire" as I consider such devices inhumane and I am somewhat surprised that so many on here think they are acceptable for a yorkie especially since there are easy alternatives like the "invisible fence" that Glad suggested. I do not believe in physical punishment of my dogs or my children. Violence is never the answer in my opinion.

I have constructed a wrought iron fence with rabbit guard installed below the suface and attached to the wrought iron. I also have installed Coyote roll bars across the top to prevent coyotes from jumping the fence.

The earlier idea of a concrete lip at the bottom of a wooden fence is a good one as well, but with the threat of birds of prey, theft and other "accidents" it is not worth the risk imo to ever leave a small breed dog outside unsupervised. JMHO.
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Kimberley, I'm so glad to hear that Rebel is back to his old self. All he needed was a few days to recover from whatever trauma he experienced.

Now, as to the fence. I think you should take Villette up on her offer! She is evidently a pro when it comes to wood fencing. And I see by her picture that she is careful to leave some cracks for "spy holes" so that they can do their spying. I would certainly hate to have them miss out on that! And, she does live fairly close to you. If I weren't so far away I would volunteer to help, but CA is a fur piece from TX.
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[QUOTE=SoCalyorkiLvr]I do not mean to pick on Kimberley here but rather to use her experience as a way to offer solutions to these types of problems. IMO no dogs should be allowed to even have the potential for getting loose and getting hit by a car or stolen when they are found. I do admit to being a fanatic about this.

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I have a westie (18 lbs) who is a digger and I do allow she and my standard poodle to be outside unsupervised, but I would never use any kind of a "hot wire" as I consider such devices inhumane and I am somewhat surprised that so many on here think they are acceptable for a yorkie especially since there are easy alternatives like the "invisible fence" that Glad suggested. I do not believe in physical punishment of my dogs or my children. Violence is never the answer in my opinion. .
Well, I guess this would take care of them running off, but what about protecting them from other animals that may come in the yard--wild or domestic? What if someone stole them?
You don't have to agree with everyone's methods, but you don't have to be so harsh, IMO. To be perfectly honest, I think it is quite uncalled for to accuse others of being inhumane and to claim they physically punish their dogs. I don't suspect any member here...Kimberley or otherwise...is "inhumane" in regards to how they treat their pets. It is uncalled for for you to accuse them of such.

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I do not mean to pick on Kimberley here but rather to use her experience as a way to offer solutions to these types of problems. IMO no dogs should be allowed to even have the potential for getting loose and getting hit by a car or stolen when they are found. I do admit to being a fanatic about this..
I agree, this should not be a potential danger for any dog, but that is not always a reality, nor is it neccessarily the intentions of the owner to have these things happen. We all do things differently. What works for one person may not be the bast option for another. I am surprised you speak so passionately about this in particular--isn't this something you have had to deal with several times before? I guess all of these incidences should be a somber reminder that NONE of us are perfect nor do any of us have all the RIGHT answers.
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I have had dogs all of my life and yes, I have experienced tragedies when I was a child (a dog hit by a car, a dog attacked when I was walking it on a leash). I do believe this is why I am such a fanatic today and am so very very protective of my yorkies who are tiny and my other dogs. I share my experiences freely in an effort to prevent the same from happening to others. I know that no one is perfect and we are all here to offer suggestions and everyone is free to ignore what they cannot use or don't agree with and to use what they can.

While I worry about my poodle and my westie being stolen, it is not to the degree that I do my yorkies. I have locks on all of my gates and I am lucky enough to live in a 24 hr guard gated and patrolled neighborhood. Yorkies are the number one most stolen breed. I usually bring the poodle and the westie in the house when I am gone as well. It is never for long and they are gated and safe in my familyroom.

As for my opinion that electric shock is inhumane, I was merely stating my opinion, no different than my opinion that tail docking is inhumane. I know that most on this board disagree with my opinion but that is no reason that I should not express it, is it?

Some view your accusing members who breed females under 5 lbs as being "inhumane or cruel" as harsh. Kimberley takes no offense I am sure because she is as confident in her opinion as I am in mine.
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The website for the Coyote Roll Guards is http://www.coyoteroller.com/Products/index.html
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As for my opinion that electric shock is inhumane, I was merely stating my opinion, no different than my opinion that tail docking is inhumane. I know that most on this board disagree with my opinion but that is no reason that I should not express it, is it?

Some view your accusing members who breed females under 5 lbs as being "inhumane or cruel" as harsh. Kimberley takes no offense I am sure because she is as confident in her opinion as I am in mine.
I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion and even though I don't always agree with them, I respect the right of others to have them. I just think that saying "it's inhumane to use those" to someone who does in fact implement them, would be like someone calling you or your husband inhumane for allowing your dog to be in a situation where getting hit was a possiblity. It's just wrong and hurtful and it shouldn't be said.

Furthermore, I am sure Kimberley is quite capable of stating her feelings on the situation for herself if she feels the need to.
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Kimberley, I'm so glad to hear that Rebel is back to his old self. All he needed was a few days to recover from whatever trauma he experienced.

Now, as to the fence. I think you should take Villette up on her offer! She is evidently a pro when it comes to wood fencing. And I see by her picture that she is careful to leave some cracks for "spy holes" so that they can do their spying. I would certainly hate to have them miss out on that! And, she does live fairly close to you. If I weren't so far away I would volunteer to help, but CA is a fur piece from TX.
LOL Artie ! You are so smart - that's exactly why my fence looks like it does (apart from the fact that I ran out of fence posts ) ...Spy-girl was devestated when the dog on the other side chewed thru her spy-hole and if I had a brand new fence put in - she wouldn't have any place to look thru so I'm in no rush

and Kimberly ....I'm so glad to hear Rebel is getting back to normal....I almost forgot who's yorkie we were talking about here .... Give that baby a kiss from his Auntie V and tell him NO MORE SCARING his Mama !
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Hey, come on folks, a hot wire is nuthin' down here in Texas. We use hot wires and cattle prods to control all kinds of varments. Why the only problem I have with the hot wire is one time my hot wire being so close to the ground to keep my Cocker Spaniels in the back pasture, sparked and set the pasture on fire. We got a nice bill from the fire department as a result of that.

Kimberley is a good momma. By standards down here, she's probably a bit of a softy, but that's just my opinion.

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Marilyn~ You just gave me a visual of someone cattle branding and ranching Yorkies! That is too funny, don't know why!
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lol, all of this is too funny. I can just see the same thing! Love that southern twang!
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Hey, come on folks, a hot wire is nuthin' down here in Texas. We use hot wires and cattle prods to control all kinds of varments. Why the only problem I have with the hot wire is one time my hot wire being so close to the ground to keep my Cocker Spaniels in the back pasture, sparked and set the pasture on fire. We got a nice bill from the fire department as a result of that.

Kimberley is a good momma. By standards down here, she's probably a bit of a softy, but that's just my opinion.

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Aw, Marilyn! Speaking like a true Texan! Your reply made me chuckle!!! Don't forget, getting out the BB gun and the ole' 22 to fix the larger varments!

Anyway, we've had the wire along one side of the fence for months now. Rebel tried it once or twice and never went there again. It's not like they are constantly drawn to it and shock themselves over and over again. Once or twice that first day out of the 5 months it's been up and that's it. You'd think that I was torturing my dogs with it. I've even been shock with it...walking barefoot and not watching where I was going. Is it uncomfortable...yes. Was it excruciating? No. My kids have even accidently ran into it. Are they dead or did they fry, no. Did they cry??? NO.

But whatever. Everyone knows that I'm very opinionated but I have been trying to behave and not have arguments even though it gets VERY hard at times.

BUT, this thread is not suppose to be about electic wires. It's about Rebel and how his personality had changed after he got out. LAWD! I hate it when people get threads off topic!
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i agree ^^ if it will keep him safe and at home them use it like you said its not like its 24 7 shocking he'll learn to stay away if my dog did that i would use the same thing

ok back to the regular thread im glad hes back to normal !
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BUT, this thread is not suppose to be about electic wires. It's about Rebel and how his personality had changed after he got out. LAWD! I hate it when people get threads off topic!
If it hurts you at your size (100 lbs or more) just think how it feela to a 5 lb yorkie? They are meant for thick cattle and horses not small dogs.

You asked for help and it is my opinion that some of Rebel's aggression and that of Chester in the past may be related to this, so I do not consider it to be off topic, but I apologize and will start another thread on the subject of electric fences and shock collars.

Here is a link to the new thread for those of you interested:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31218

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