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YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: King County, WA
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| ![]() Oh, the thread that carried into the be nice thread.... So, how'd the giardia go? Cured? Does that cause a poop that looks like an after birth? Zip acts great/fine, but recently popped out a turd with a slimy after birth appearance, translucent like... not bloody or we'd already be at the vet. Merry Christmas All! |
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YT Addict Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: B.C. and Scottsdale, AZ
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What you describe, Mark, is not what Lacy had. She had diarrhea for almost three weeks, and even now, it is still very soft and leaves a mess every time she poops. I will be very surprised if I hear tomorrow that the giardia is gone. So more vet bills ahead, I am sure. All because the breeder did not care enough to do one simple fecal test on one of her puppies to see if they had giardia. In my opinion, when you have a litter of three pups, and sell them for $7500. you should be able to afford to do ONE fecal test on one pup to make sure you don't sell them with Giardia! Anyone who doesn't is not a responsible breeder in my eyes.
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YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: King County, WA
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Since this has happened, shame on the breeder for such practices. | |
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Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ocean Beach, CA
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Kathy is a retired registered nurse of a trauma unit. She is a very shy person and has difficulties when faced with adversities. This comes from a traumatic experience in her earlier life. She and her husband bought this property for their retirement. This is her website Great Scotts Biewers| Breeding Sales Education| Puppies Available if anyone is interested. Her phone number, FB page and email address is all available on her website. I have casually known Kathy for almost 5 years. She is not perfect but she is an excellent breeder and her dogs get excellent care. Top AKC breeders and handlers have purchased Kathy's dogs. A few months ago Kathy's husband became gravely ill and now she not only cares for him, she has to do the work he once did including the care of 9 acres. Kathy was helping a "friend" take care of a number of the "friend's" Biewers so that person could care for their husband. Kathy should have never agreed to do this but Kathy is used to a hard day's work and will always help someone in need. She has now been advised to return the dogs which she recently did. I don't know who Zachary is but I know it is not Kathy. The reason I know it is not Kathy is because she does not post on forums and she does not talk like that. She also would not pretend to be someone else. She will post on FB but she does not have the time and does not care for this type of forum. Also, you have never met someone as honest as Kathy. She did not have to tell that chicken feet story but she did. Why would a breeder tell a story like that only makes them look careless because of the outcome? She lost a dog over her decision. YorkieTalk is not to destroy people but to engage in healthy dialog to support and educate each other. I do not have any reason to distrust anything that Sharon has stated. But I am smart enough to know that there is more to the story. Kathy has her version of the events and I would wager that there is truth in Sharon's story and truth in Kathy's. Everyone has a perspective and rightfully so. It is fine for Sharon to say a puppy purchase went bust, it is fine for her to say that a puppy was unhealthy when delivered. It is not fine to destroy someone and assign malice behavior when no one knows for certain what Kathy was thinking and what actually happened. Mark, I implore you or someone to go visit Kathy Scott in Rochester, WA. Bring a camera because you will think you entered a state park. It is beautiful there. She will answer every question, invite you into her home and tell you all about the events surrounding Sharon's situation. It may make Kathy look bad so do not be surprised if she admits fault. That is the beauty of Kathy and something that most people do not have - the honor and integrity to admit when she is wrong or makes a mistake. She will even explain why she brought the dog to the airport. What I do know is that Kathy did not intentionally do anything to cause all this malicious talk that does nothing to educate, or to better anyone. Kathy has been a breeder over 10 years and one YorkieTalk post may wipe out all the good things that she has done. When you leave Kathy's home you will know that you spent time with person with a good heart and with no intention on hurting anyone or any dog. For all the people posting, I hope you visit Kathy, her website, FB page or just call and visit over the phone before you post one side of these events. Sharon, I hope that you find joy with your new puppy. I can tell you that puppies will pick up on the emotions of their owners so the sooner you can put all this behind you the sooner your puppy will adjust to their new home. You are going to be a good mom and you sound like you care dearly for dogs whether they are yours or for someone else. Good luck to you. | |
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Red flags are waving all over if you ask me. And, finally..........as to the part of your post I highlighted: You have NO idea what someone can and/or will do. You have no way to prove it was not her....I don't care what you say about her personality and feelings about online forums. That does NOT mean she would not sneak around .. All one has to do is to go back and read all of ZacharyD's posts....again...it was a quacking duck all along!
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Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas
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| ![]() And, let me say this: no one is out to destroy anyone. Not that it is even remotely possible because the public as a whole is not willing to do anything but satisfy their whims.... All of the information available about Tanisha Breton and yet she still has her followers. Sadly, there are many people like Sharon who will pay what I believe are exhorbitant prices for pups. They don't research .. they simply want what they believe is different and or special. All the different colors of yorkies and the teacups...all the marketing of these poor babies makes me want to puke. It's all about marketing...selling things that are not standard but people think are "special". There is no way anyone could destroy them if they wanted to because people are either naive or just choose to ignore the information available. They pay what I consider ridiculous prices .. but not much anyone can do but try their best to educate.
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Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: New York, NY
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| ![]() While I cannot speak for breeders, I can speak as a consumer. My puppy also came with Giarda. According to my vet, this is very common and she said most puppies they see, rescue and pure breeds, have this issue. Breeders should check for it, but sadly most don't. The majority feel they are only responsible for puppy vaccinations. Luckily, Giardia is 100% curable with the right medication. Quote:
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Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: England
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| ![]() Nothing here mentions puppies that test positive for giardia but have no symptoms, or ones that test negative when they have diarrhea. It also doesn't address how with or without symptoms they can test positive one day and negative the next. I now treat for giardia whether or not pups have symptoms, and I do have the pups tested within a few days of going home. Every once in a while a customer customer reports an asymptomatic pup tested positive for giardia. Personnally, I think giardia is a money making racket.
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How nice of you to defend a breeder that knows a promised puppy is DEAD due to feeding her chicken feet yet does NOT tell the buyer until the night before the buyer is going to fly to Wa, to pick up a promised puppy that died days before buyer was to pick up the puppy. How nice of you to defend a breeder that when the buyer asked why was she NOT TOLD the promised puppy was dead when it died, and is told by the breeder she was going to bring a different puppy to the airport. How nice of you to defend a dishonest breeder that held back the truth from a buyer and was going to let Sharon fly to Wa. and Kathy would just hand over another puppy. I wouldn't care how many acres of property a breeder has, or how long she has puppies playing in a protected covered play area, or what a beautiful home the breeder has, or the celebrities that buy her puppies. This does not impress me one bit. It is the HONESTY of the breeder I am concerned about. Kathy IMO is not an HONEST breeder, she knew the promised puppy died days before Sharon was to pick her up, yet she did not call Sharon to tell her of this. She did not ASK Sharon did she want another puppy. She was going to let Sharon fly to Wa, then surprise her with a different puppy. I once asked a question "what do you mean buy the breeder before you buy the puppy" Sharon's experience has answered that question very well to me. Buyers beware.... Great Scotts Biewers| Breeding Sales Education| Puppies Available
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| ![]() Sharon, did you get Lacys test results back yet? Hope she is better. Jan
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YT Addict Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: B.C. and Scottsdale, AZ
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| ![]() First off, for those of you on this list who get extremely upset when we rehash an old post, please save yourself the anger and just don’t read any further. I did not bring this up again, I am only replying to other people’s posts, which I have a right to do. QUOTE from Tricia: I have casually known Kathy for almost 5 years. She is not perfect but she is an excellent breeder and her dogs get excellent care. I don't know who Zachary is but I know it is not Kathy. The reason I know it is not Kathy is because she does not post on forums and she does not talk like that. She also would not pretend to be someone else. UNQUOTE Tricia, for knowing Kathy only casually for a few years, it surprises me that you think you know her so well. You KNOW that Zachary was not Kathy??? Really? Well, a bunch of us believe otherwise. She lied about where she was posting from, she posted 18 replies, ALL to my posts about Lacy, not to a single other person’s posts. She insinuated that I gave Lacy giardia by giving her bottled water! She came up with excuses for everything Kathy did. And tried to discredit everything I said. Kathy told me at the airport that she was ripped to shreds on YT, so I KNOW she read all of the posts here. So please don’t tell me that she does not come onto this forum and that she does not have time to read them. When she read them, if there were any untruths to what I said, I would think that she would have defended herself, don’t you? Every single word I spoke was 100% the truth. QUOTE: It is fine for Sharon to say a puppy purchase went bust, it is fine for her to say that a puppy was unhealthy when delivered. It is not fine to destroy someone and assign malice behavior when no one knows for certain what Kathy was thinking and what actually happened. UNQUOTE How on earth could I be destroying someone by stating the 100% truth about what actually happened? Are we not allowed to share our experiences here? If the TRUTH destroys someone, it is NOT the fault of the person who tells the truth. WHAT malice behavior have I assigned to Kathy, pray tell????? QUOTE: That is the beauty of Kathy and something that most people do not have - the honor and integrity to admit when she is wrong or makes a mistake. She will even explain why she brought the dog to the airport. UNQUOTE Hmmm, when I asked Kathy why she brought the sick puppy to the airport (that was supposed to be my puppy), she replied “Because I wanted you to see him.” That is exactly what she said. So if there was another reason, why would she not tell me what it was? And if she is so honest, WHY on EARTH did she not tell me that the girl had died and the boy was very sick? I was supposed to fly to Seattle early Saturday morning. Late Friday afternoon, I texted Kathy to ask her again what food her pups ate so I could have the same stuff. She texted back that she was bringing me two DIFFERENT pups than what we had agreed on! I was shocked. How can a breeder do that? When I called her, she would not tell me what happened. I was extremely upset to say the least. Here I thought I had finally found two pups, and I lost them before I even got them. I told her I would NOT take two other pups. When the breeder I know back home heard about what happened she felt very bad for me and said she had the pick of that litter and that I could buy that pup if I wanted, which was extremely nice of her to do. I agreed to buy this puppy and that is how I ended up with Lacy #2. And only AFTER she put lacy into my arms, did she tell me that my first little girl had died from eating chicken feet, and all the pups had eaten the feet. That is not honorable. She should have told me BEFORE I flew out to get the puppy, what happened to my first one, so I could have made a decision as to whether I wanted to take a chance buying this puppy. To be honest, if I had known that one puppy died, another one was very ill, and the new one that I was going to get had also eaten the feet, I would probably NOT have bought the puppy! I feel that is the reason she did not tell me until after she gave me the puppy She withheld very valuable information from me that should have been passed on to me. I was totally misled through this whole entire purchase! There was absolutely NO concern about me whatsoever, from her. When I told Kathy that Lacy had giardia, she said none of her pups have giardia. I believed that she thought that was the truth. I certainly do NOT believe for one second that she intentionally gave me a pup with giardia. She just didn't know her pups had it. My vet said that there was a 100% chance the giardia came from the breeders home. I told Kathy that she needed to test her pups for it. I never heard back for her again. So I do not know if she tested her pups, or whether she didn’t. I hope she did. And she has never asked if Lacy is better, which she IS NOT! After two rounds of meds, she still tested positive for giarida, so she started her third treatment yesterday. And my vet says that some dogs never get rid of it, and some dogs do DIE from it. So, getting Lacy, who has had diarrhea or very soft poop now for the entire time I have her, over 3 weeks, (and over $500. in vet bills) it has not been a fun time. All of this would have been prevented if all breeders would just do a simple fecal exam on one of their puppies before selling them. Is that really too much to expect when you pay $3600. for a puppy? I personally think it is very irresponsible not to. If I was a breeder, you would better believe that I would do a simple fecal test on one pup to ensure they did not have giardia before selling them. Because I would care about the people buying my pups and would want the transition for both puppy and new owner to go as smooth as possible. And if I heard that a pup I sold for a lot of money, had giardia when I sold it, I would definitely contact the person and offer to pay the vet bills. And not just ignore that person from that day forward! It is simply not fair to sell a pup that is SICK and not take some responsibility for the vet bills.
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YT Addict Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: B.C. and Scottsdale, AZ
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Unfortunately, Lacy is still not rid of the giardia, which is very stressful. She started her third round of medication yesterday, and I am on house arrest for the next five days so I can stay home and try to watch her every minute of the day. I have canceled everything on my calendar. Because the problem is, when she poops, she often licks it, so if she does that just once, she will reinfect herself, and we will never get rid of it. Obviously, I can't keep my eyes on her every second but I am going to try my hardest. I just want her to be healthy again! None of my friends even want to hold her when I say that giardia can be transmitted to humans. So I don't even take her anywhere. I cannot wait for the day that she is finally giardia free and we can go visit all my friends!
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