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Old 07-05-2015, 09:56 PM   #1
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Animal Smiley 036 Help with my dilemma?

Hello all, my baby Kupo is nearing his 6 month soon, and this means its time to neuter my sweet tiny baby...

I've been thinking though.. Is it really better for him to be neutered? I really want to get full AKC, but I'm not so sure..

Kupo has been humping things and lifting his leg since.. 11 weeks old... about a week after I got him.. lol.. well humping around 11 weeks and lifting around 3 months old.. So I doubt neutering will change his habbit now.

I also plan on getting a girl... either from the same breeder, or this other lady...
If it's from same breeder, she'd be half sister, if it's from other lady, they would not be related at all..
Ofc, if I was to get his half sister, I'd get him neutered, but there is a chance that she might not have enough girls...
If I can get a girl puppy from other lady, I def. do not want to get him neutered and want him to have babies.

I initially wanted to show Kupo, but since the last groomer butchered his hair into really short, shaved, summer cut, my chance is gone... but I'm working on his CGC and I plan on taking him to do his therapy or service dog classes, and I thought him being full AKC just sounds better, even if I had to pay a bit more extra for his title..

What do you guys think?

I do like the idea of having puppies from Kupo and his not-yet-known-gf, but the idea of my baby becoming a dad is kinda weird for me lol

[btw I have researched the pros and cons of neutering and breeding and all so please don't bash me.. T_T
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As far as his butchered hair, it's just hair, it will grow back. Was he sold to you as a show/breeding prospect?

I would suggest getting a mentor to help you with showing and breeding. Breeding dogs is difficult and expensive (unless you don't want pups, then they seem to just spew them out lol)

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There is a lot of expensive and time involved with breeding. Puppies are adorable, until they start pooping and eating everything in sight. Puppy breath is wonderful - the stench of puppy poo, not so wonderful. Then, there are vet visits, vaccines, deworming, etc.

Don't forget prebreeding health tests on your dogs, too. Just going to a vet and getting a general exam won't cut it. Eyes, patellas, bile acid tests, etc.

Mama's personality will change while pregnant and nursing. If all goes well, she should be back to almost normal by the time you have placed the pups (at 12 weeks for toy breeds). Or, you could loose her to complications.

Really, really think this through before jumping in over your head. It is a major undertaking.

And, just because they're Kupo's pups, doesn't mean they will be little clones of him, either (in case you're just wanting another just like him). Each and every individual has their own temperament and personality. Also, if you are tempted to keep a pup you've bred, remember, s/he may or may not get along with his parents once grown. They usually do, but I have seen cases with others, and am living with a son my daughter kept from my breeding - she moved out, the pup didn't and he and his sire HATE each other. Yeah, that's been fun.

Seriously, really think about why you're wanting to breed. If it's just to have the experience of a litter, foster a pregnant mama from the shelter. The shelter will usually help with costs and you can see just how much work is involved. And, you'll be saving lives. If, after that, you still want to breed your dogs, search for a good mentor. It helps to have someone with you during the stressful hours while you wait and worry for those pups.

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I'm not getting into the breeding part, since I know nothing and would never do it. However, if you don't plan to breed your baby, it is better to have him neutered. First, you wouldn't have any "surprise" puppies that may not find a home. Second, look at the health reasons. From what my vet told me, Yorkies have a high tendency to have prostate problems if not neutered. Also have higher chance of testicular cancer if not neutered. We had our precious Zeus neutered at 6 months old. He was not lifting and humping before the surgery, so we have had no problems after surgery. I would recommend doing some online research yourself and talking with a vet about neutering. Sorry that I cannot offer any advice on AKC showing either. My Zeus is a valuable member of our family, but we don't intend to show him or breed him; so, the responsible thing to do was have him neutered.
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Hello! I have a girl/boy that I plan on breeding if everything goes well. Mine are close to the age of Kupo and my girl who's older will be going in for her BAT testing next month. If you plan on breeding or it's something you plan on doing in the future with Kupo or his potential future mate I would hold off on sterilization.

Also really look into what breeding entails. Read as much as you can, contact breeders you trust who are willing to help you in your future plans, and look into breed specific health screenings which should be done prior to reproducing. The three which I consider a must are : BAT, Knees(OFA done at 1 years old), and have eye cerf. As far as his hair, it will grow back and fast! I shaved my pet yorkie's body in the fall and it's already floor length. Just give him 3-5 months and it will be fine I'm sure.

Needless to say breeding isn't cheap lol. I've spent over $3500 in the last 3 months on things i consider necessities for just these two pups and that doesn't even include their purchase price. If you want to do it and you know you're going to do it the right way hold off of neutering him and have him evaluated by more than one judge/showbreeder.

Look into getting the Bile Acid Test done if breeders/judges think he's a fine example then go from there. Last but not least don't get discouraged.

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thanks for the replies guys

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@borderkelpie when kupo was sold, it just stated pet price at $$$$ and contact for breeding price or something... i can't really remember, it's been awhile.. lol but when i've contacted the breeder couple days ago, she says she she's not sure about the show, but he will "most defintely be a breeding quality".

i did the research on what kind of testing he has to do before mating, as well as the female, and know that the female's personality will change due to her hormone and might get even protective of her and her babies.

i'm also aware that kupo's puppies will not have same personality or temperament since nobody can be cloned lol. i honestly donno why some ppl think this way.. lol i mean everyone has different personalities, even humans.

but i never knew that there may be a conflict between the litter and the parents. was it because of the dominance issue?

i wanted to breed since i wanted kupo to experience being a father and him to live his life too. before i actually got kupo, my mom was in LOVE with him, since her favorite dog is yorkie, and was suggesting that i get him with full akc so he can have babies later.. lol i guess her wishes kinda got stuck on my head and i'm starting to like the idea x_x;

and.. as for shelter dogs... i'm not sure.. since i don't really see a yorkie or hypoallergenic dogs in the shelters my area. i've checked and most were pitbulls or whatnot.. and i'm extremely allergic to pet danders and so on.. :/ (one of the reason why i considered getting kupo <3)

@zeus is loved i've also looked into the pros and cons of neutering and keeping them intact. and apparently there really is no scientific proof of neutered dogs being that much healthy than those who are intact (from newer medical journals i read). i've also talked to my vet and she says since he's already humping and hiking his leg, having him neutered probably would not change this behavior much even if he gets neutered.. :/

i was actually looking to get him pediatric neutered when i just got him, but i was advised not to, since he was so small, and the vet wanted to neuter him at 6 months so he can have his puppy teeth extracted at the same time.. (before kupo started to hump and all).. but its kinda too late now lol

@colesmommy01 hello! it's been awhile, and thank you for responding to my post again lol. what's bat exactly? i was looking at this website for certain tests needed to be done (Canine Health Information Center: CHIC Information. i'm not really sure what else is supposed to be done. (still researching what exact tests are needed)

but 3.5k$? was that to test both the parents? or just one? i didn't know it'd get that much expensive O_o; is this supposed to be done whenever they are supposed to mate or just once? (can't seem to find that answer yet) and what does bile acid test do exactly? how does it relate to breeding?

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oh and guys please check out http://ellokupo.tumblr.com. temp pw is: kupokupo
what do you think of kupo guys? do you think he's good enough to breed? i've checked with the vet today, and he's currently 5.12lbs and about to be 5 months in 4 days. the vet says he's very healthy and in shape. his hair is still growing and his ears are both erect now.. and please ignore the song playing in the background.. i can't seem to find the right song to play on his page.. lol
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@matese i've posted the pw right by the link lol
its kupokupo
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@colesmommy01 hello! it's been awhile, and thank you for responding to my post again lol. what's bat exactly? i was looking at this website for certain tests needed to be done (Canine Health Information Center: CHIC Information. i'm not really sure what else is supposed to be done. (still researching what exact tests are needed)

but 3.5k$? was that to test both the parents? or just one? i didn't know it'd get that much expensive O_o; is this supposed to be done whenever they are supposed to mate or just once? (can't seem to find that answer yet) and what does bile acid test do exactly? how does it relate to breeding?

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oh and guys please check out http://ellokupo.tumblr.com. temp pw is: kupokupo
what do you think of kupo guys? do you think he's good enough to breed? i've checked with the vet today, and he's currently 5.12lbs and about to be 5 months in 4 days. the vet says he's very healthy and in shape. his hair is still growing and his ears are both erect now.. and please ignore the song playing in the background.. i can't seem to find the right song to play on his page.. lol

A Bile Acid Test (BAT) tests how an individual dog's liver functions and performs and can rule out having Liver Shunt which is prevalent within the Yorkshire Terrier breed. Although, even if both parents have perfectly acceptable levels it doesn't mean they will never produce a pup who doesn't have a shunt. That being said, no one (imo) should breed a dog with liver shunt.

Brucellosis testing is also a test you may want to look into if you stud Kupo(I plan on having a closed breeding program, but if you don't make sure the bitch has had this test done). I think he's at a good weight. Is his topline level? It doesn't seem like he has an over/underbite from the pictures(i'm a stickler for a nice set of teeth).

Have you had anyone other than his breeder evaluate him? There are a few show breeders on this forum and they may be able to assist. Most of the ones I've spoken with ask to see the dog in a "stacked" position to better evaluate.

The $3,500 doesn't include testing . I haven't even had testing done yet lol. My female will have her first test in the next month and if all is fine I'll get OFA and so on. The cost comes from traveling to speak with show breeders, grooming supplies, classes, and starting to renovate the yorkie room to accommodate them. Now I know why some breeders have kennels lol.

*just wanted to add, not all breeders perform the tests I listed. I would do it to know what I'm working with and if it's work reproducing and covering my own butt...btw is that your son in the pic holding Kupo? He's handsome and will be fighting the ladies off with a stick when he grows up!

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I don't know anything about breeding but Kupo is super cute .
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@colesmommy01 what do you mean *topline level*? but as for his bite, apparently he has a perfect bite, according to my vet and the breeder.. so far... he's still losing his puppy teeth and i think he needs one more from his front teeth atleast for his adult teeth to grow in.. lol
(i laughed so hard when he lost 2 front teeth at once.. he looked so derpy hahaha)

but what class do you need to breed? are you talking about classes like cgc?
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@my oscar thank you! i'll make sure to tell him someone think he's super cute when he wakes up lol
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Have you had anyone other than his breeder evaluate him? There are a few show breeders on this forum and they may be able to assist. Most of the ones I've spoken with ask to see the dog in a "stacked" position to better evaluate.
just saw this part of the message lol. i've showed kupo to only one other breeder and she said that he looks really nice, but mentioned that he's behind on his hair... and that it would be hard for him to catch up. but he's def. high breeding quality.
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Scroll all the way to middle of the page and it'll give examples of the "perfect" features of a Yorkshire Terrier. Unfortunately, there are no perfect specimens so you have to pick what'd you'd be okay breeding vs not breeding. Like for example my breeder's dogs had to have a good bite, nice earset, and level topline but she'd never breed a cottony coat unless all other physical attributes were astounding.


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@colesmommy01 oh i saw something like this before. but i could never really tell... i'm now like looking back and forth from screen to kupo and he's like... what are you looking at... lol

but.. i guess he has a nice proportion... his ear seems to be ok.. not too far or not too close... head placement seems fine... and so does his muzzle.

oh i see what you mean by *topline* now. his back is pretty straight. and i think his tails are properly docked to good length.. and his legs seems good...

but then again, i may just see him as *perfect* since i love him lol. but my vet and breeders said he looked pretty good so i'm going by their words lol
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