Help with my dilemma?

[ColesMommy01]

Also wanted to add, if you use both as studs they will more than likely fight and mark your home.

[Deviruchi]

@colesmommy01 oh. i did see that dogs do hump to show dominance.. but i wasn't sure what he was trying to achieve by showing *dominance* to stuffed animals and his bunny bed. lol

but what did you mean by "she needs to be able to offset the faults in whatever male you use as a stud"? does that mean just look for a girl without the faults the male puppy has?

but, thank you for helping me again. you've been helping me a lot since i've joined the forum lol

[ColesMommy01]

Originally Posted by Deviruchi

@colesmommy01 oh. i did see that dogs do hump to show dominance.. but i wasn't sure what he was trying to achieve by showing *dominance* to stuffed animals and his bunny bed. lol

but what did you mean by "she needs to be able to offset the faults in whatever male you use as a stud"? does that mean just look for a girl without the faults the male puppy has?

but, thank you for helping me again. you've been helping me a lot since i've joined the forum lol

Yes,exactly. Make a list of physical attributes within the standard that you absolutely have to have. Do your breeding pairs have to have a perfect earset, topline, bite, personality, etc? Or can you live with a modified coat, longer muzzle, incorrect color, etc if the breeding specimen is exemplary in other aspects?

Choose what you have to have from each dog/bitch. Then if your bitch has a longer muzzle theyn you'd like find a male who has a shorter muzzle and so on and so on.

Usually you can't get a really good idea until 7-9 months on how they'll turn out imo. That's why some breeders hold some puppies back then later place them if they didn't turn out well.

[yorkiemini]

Yes,but.....you can't breed out faults that already exist in one of the breeding pair. And it is not always possible, unless you do a very detailed genetic study, what genes will be dominant in the final picture. Some extremely experienced breeders might be able to tell you if a long or short nose may be dominant, I'm not sure, but it is something to consider.

[ColesMommy01]

Either way, no puppy from a litter will be perfect and fit the standard exactly. Faults will show up with even what some may consider the most genetically/physically sound breeding pair. Choose what you breed carefully, don't just purchase a puppy because it's cute.

Some of the most fun I've had lately is researching pedigrees(I'm a bit of a research buff). You can learn so much by researching lines and finding what's dominant/recessive.

I went to look at a litter a few months ago for a male. All the puppies were cute, but I noticed one of the parents had bigger ears than I liked. The pup I was interested in had small ears(at 16 weeks). His past siblings had big ears as well as 2 of his female siblings.

Bigger ears seemed to be dominant in that particular line and although my potential pup didn't have them any offspring of his had a good chance of having them as well. It wasn't something I'd be okay with breeding.

Research lines you're interested in, study how genetics work if you don't already know, then contact breeders who have access to the particular lines you'd like.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by ColesMommy01

Either way, no puppy from a litter will be perfect and fit the standard exactly. Faults will show up with even what some may consider the most genetically/physically sound breeding pair. Choose what you breed carefully, don't just purchase a puppy because it's cute.

Some of the most fun I've had lately is researching pedigrees(I'm a bit of a research buff). You can learn so much by researching lines and finding what's dominant/recessive.

I went to look at a litter a few months ago for a male. All the puppies were cute, but I noticed one of the parents had bigger ears than I liked. The pup I was interested in had small ears(at 16 weeks). His past siblings had big ears as well as 2 of his female siblings.




Also learn from the most experienced breeders what physical traits are hard to breed out. For many breeds bad bites are hard to correct. And other toy breeders can help out as well. There are on line webinars you can take many at low cost. I would think coat quality and correct color are two faults you shouldn't be breeding. Also bad toplines.


But the best thing you can do is develop an Eye for a Dog - in fact there is a self study book entitled just that. Spend hours watching dogs of any breed mixes purebreds etc. Teach yourself how to identify atypical movement. It walks the streets every day. Busy parks are a good place to dog watch. Trust me eventually and maybe sooner you will see good movement. Eye pleasing movement. Start there I already linked for you a very very good video to study dog movement. Every dog club will have some old folks - dog folks - soak up all they can teach you.


When I teach the first thing I try to teach is a *soft eye*. That means looking without fixating or pre judging what you see.
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Bigger ears seemed to be dominant in that particular line and although my potential pup didn't have them any offspring of his had a good chance of having them as well. It wasn't something I'd be okay with breeding.

Research lines you're interested in, study how genetics work if you don't already know, then contact breeders who have access to the particular lines you'd like.

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Choppy gaits or excessive rolling across the rear end. Poor reach and drive.

[gemy]

Another good book is building the canine athlete by Chris Zinc


A trot should be smooth for the terrier - reach to the nose - drive back behind the rump. The distance the paw should be from the ground in movement is the length of the paw.


You will need to learn the jargon of movement and the jargon of faults. And then to recognize them when you see them.


The best time to evaluate a puppys structure is at 8wks old. It is then that you will see what you will get - always barring accident or injury or illness. Temperament is pretty well set then to. I do have a stickey here somewhere on evaluating a puppy.

[Deviruchi]

thank you guys for the responses once again

@colesmommy01, I've been looking at the pedigree of Kupo's parents as well as his-maybe-future gf. Most of them are champions, and to me, they look good... but since I'm new to this, I'm not sure if they have big ears or not.. been searching Kupo's grandparents, great-greatparents and so on lol but they all seemed nice. If they have champion lines, would they be good enough? From what I know, Kupo has atleast 76 champions for 6 generations (not sure if that matters at all.. o.o)

@yorkiemini, yeah.. this whole thing seems to be getting more complicated by the minute.. whenever i research something, something new i donno pops up and when i search that new topic.. repeat.. lol

@gemy, i've been looking at yorkie dog shows online and some vids that were related to what you've showed me earlier.. i gotta say.. i still don't get it.. lol. i feel like unless a dog limps.. they walk same... :/ i can't wait to go to the dog show next month and see what other ppl say about kupo.

[gemy]

That's okay It takes time to develop an eye for these things. Let me see if I can find some other clips I have that shows dogs with known mechanical problems.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Deviruchi

thank you guys for the responses once again

@colesmommy01, I've been looking at the pedigree of Kupo's parents as well as his-maybe-future gf. Most of them are champions, and to me, they look good... but since I'm new to this, I'm not sure if they have big ears or not.. been searching Kupo's grandparents, great-greatparents and so on lol but they all seemed nice. If they have champion lines, would they be good enough? From what I know, Kupo has atleast 76 champions for 6 generations (not sure if that matters at all.. o.o)

@yorkiemini, yeah.. this whole thing seems to be getting more complicated by the minute.. whenever i research something, something new i donno pops up and when i search that new topic.. repeat.. lol

@gemy, i've been looking at yorkie dog shows online and some vids that were related to what you've showed me earlier.. i gotta say.. i still don't get it.. lol. i feel like unless a dog limps.. they walk same... :/ i can't wait to go to the dog show next month and see what other ppl say about kupo.

Welcome to dog breeding and doing it right! There are no short cuts. There is a massive amount of information to absorb, to understand, to study.


I think that you are fairly young, and we need folks like you in the purebred dog world that want to do the best they can by what-ever breed they choose to breed.


If you lived close by me - you could attend dog shows with me - and I would be willing to teach you. In the States the next show I am going to is in Grey Summitt Missouri - at Purina Dog Farm. I have no idea how far Arkansa is from there - but I am competing in Obedience and in Conformation and will have time to instruct a newbie.


The stickies we have on dog breeding are quite frankly meant to give you a whole lot of pause - this is a big decision to make. Make it with your eyes wide open. And just as an aside - we breeders don't refer to getting a girlfriend for our males. My latest import will never be bred with either intact male I have for various reasons. She is not their girlfriend - but is a pack member and a breeding bitch *if and only if* she passes all seven health screenings for her breed. She is also a very well loved family member.

[Deviruchi]

@gemy i'm in my mid 20s... so i dont think i'm that young... i actually stopped counting my age after my 21st bday... lol (i feel so old lol...)

i've looked up the purina dog farm and its about 6 hrs away from me... i'd do it if i can get my bf to come with me but he's busy with work.. and i have ptsd from my last car accident and i'm scared of driving..sometimes i even have anxiety attack in mid of driving.. especially if it rains or if i'm going to unknown places.. :/ but when will it be? if i can go, i'll def. try to go. but i'm also still in school too.. :/ but it def. sounds nice. and it's so nice of you to offer teaching me. thank you!

oh.. i was considering the future girl as *girlfriend* since i don't really have any plans on breeding her to anyone but kupo and only kupo for her.. i'm not sure if i'd even do any serious breeding like most breeders.. maybe i'll change my mind later on getting more yorkies to breed when i see how it goes with his future gf. lol..

[MissPixi]

Breeding will give you lots of anxiety. If you can't drive under all circumstances how can you insure you can get your little ones to the vet at any time? You do seem very young. (Based on what I've read)
Dogs don't have girlfriends. There won't be a romantic relationship, it's not like lady and the tramp. Are you ok with placing pups produced into homes? Even if you stud your male, you can't control where the pups go. Your males temperament can change a bit. He may become very sex-driven. Are you good with that?
Lastly/ I would wait at the VERY least until I wasn't in a two bedroom apartment to breed. Most apartments have a strict no breeding rule. Also, if you don't own your home and you have to move for some reason what will you do with multiple dogs? What if you are in the middle of breeding? Not all apts allow multiple dogs.
Just things to consider as you are mulling over everything.

Gemy- you are incredibly sweet to take the time to mentor and offer your time at the dog show. I'm sure you have spent a lot of time just here on getting together materials and giving your opinion. I appreciate that! I know you are super busy!!!

[Deviruchi]

@misspixi the vet i'm going to is not even 5 min from my house, and the road is not that hard around here so it's all good.. they even do in-house if anything serious happens so that's a plus.

as for apartment's rule on dogs breeding, there was no rule stating this. we just had to pay the pet fee and notified that there will be extra fees if the animals destroy stuff.. and i'm not going to breed anytime soon, and i will be moving early next year to a bigger place so that covers that..

and i'm prepared (well atleast preparing) for what-if situations and already have contacts to take care of my animals if anything. kupo already meets certain medical records for him to be out of country, even those rabie-free state/country, since i travel a lot.

i tend to think about all the possiblities of what-ifs and i like to prepare for the worst... hence me asking all these questions to you guys and my vet and trainers.. (i prolly bug you and them alot... lol)

lol and as for my anxiety, its not under *all* circumstances, just some, since i got in a pretty bad wreck while it was raining pretty hard (to a point where everything went white) in an unknown road... so that's the only prob i'm having.. but it's def. getting better...

[MissPixi]

Anxiety is an awful awful thing. I must have not been as clear as would have liked in my statement about driving. I didn't mean anxiety all the time. I mean driving in those certain situations where your anxiety can be triggered.

[Deviruchi]

@misspixi, sorry if i misinterpreted it. english is not my first language and sometimes i don't get it right.. x_x;
but yes, it was pretty bad before.. i previously lived in florida where it rains every single day at random times, and after the accident i had, i almost never went out. i had to get my friends to take me places at first.. but now its kinda ok..
i'm new to arkansas and roads are kinda too crazy for me (all the hills compared to flatland fl.. lol), i refuse to drive unless i absolutely have to.. or only if i know that my navi can take me within 30 min distance.. lol
i went from driving 2hr-one way to 4hr-one way every weekend partying to 30 min round trip... lol.. :/


but anyways.. if something were to happen to pups, i could drive to the vets easily, there are several vets around my area within 10 min drive.. and even emergency ones.. so all is good