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04-20-2015, 05:51 PM | #151 |
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| I just want to say that I would never not use conventional medicine for my pups. I have had so many different conditions over the years with my own pups and also my fosters and I have never been let down by conventional medicine. The vets I use only suggest what is tested and proven to be successful...they do not use or suggest anything that is not proven to work for whatever condition we are dealing with. There is not a snowball's chance in that hot place down under that I would risk them to treatments that sound good but have no real proven track record. I have seen so much on the internet about holistic cures for heartworms for instance that are not proven to work. People let their fears of the conventional treatment put their pups at risk with unproven treatments. Any medicine and/or treatment has risks and that goes for holistic ones. The problem with the later is that there isn't the proof of the success and not the same information that is given with the standard ones. People are given the list of side effects for one and not the other and that in my opinion is the problem. I am happy that the FDA is considering overseeing this. Cannot come soon enough. I have two pups with lymphangectasia and one with protein losing nephropathy. Basically, diet is key in lymphangectasia, but often they need medications...prednisone being one. My Cookie was on prednisone for a very long time...about two years. She needed it! They gave it and tapered it as soon as they could and monitored her closely. No harm done. She is alive and well now and it is 3.5 years after diagnosis. Would herbs have worked? who knows? But the bottom line I would not try to find out since I know the other treatment works. Not ever going to take such chances with my babies. My Olivia is on two blood pressure meds, Ursodiol for her gall bladder and a restricted diet for her PLN and she is doing great! For some time she was on denamarin for her liver. As I said, I believe in mixed treatments, but not substitutes. I won't take such chances with my own health either. Steve Jobs did that and we all know what happened to him. He later regretted making the choice to go holistic. I am not saying that there are not some holistic methods that may have some use. I am just saying that I don't believe they should be used as a substitute for what is tested and proven.
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04-20-2015, 07:33 PM | #152 |
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| This will be very interesting and is going on right now. Homeopathic Product Regulation: Evaluating FDA’s Regulatory Framework After a Quarter-Century The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is announcing a public hearing to obtain information and comments from stakeholders about the current use of human drug and biological products labeled as homeopathic, as well as the Agency’s regulatory framework for such products. These products include prescription drugs and biological products labeled as homeopathic and over-the-counter (OTC) drugs labeled as homeopathic. FDA is seeking participants for the public hearing and written comments from all interested parties, including, but not limited to, consumers, patients, caregivers, health care professionals, patient groups, and industry. FDA is seeking input on a number of specific questions, but is interested in any other pertinent information participants would like to share. Date April 20-21, 2015 Time 9:00 am to 4:00 pm Location FDA White Oak Campus 10903 New Hampshire Avenue Bldg. 31, Room 1503A (Great Room) Silver Spring, Maryland 20993 Public Participation Registration and Requests for Oral Presentations: Registration for in-person attendance and oral presentations closed at 5 p.m. EST on April 13, 2015. Streaming Webcast of the Public Hearing: FDA will provide a live Webcast of the hearing. Information about how you can access a live Webcast will be located at Homeopathic Product Regulation. Federal Register Notice Submit Comments to the Public Docket White Oak Campus Visitor Information Agenda The agenda (PDF - 105KB) is now available. Contact Information CDERhomeopathicproduct@fda.hhs.gov Homeopathic Product Regulation: Evaluating FDA?s Regulatory Framework After a Quarter-Century
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04-20-2015, 07:55 PM | #153 | ||
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04-20-2015, 08:09 PM | #154 |
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04-21-2015, 05:02 AM | #156 | |
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Well said in that yours is a balanced view of the pros/cons of approved medication as it pertains to the masses and the minorities. It is important to be well-informed re: any medicinal option with respect to efficacy, side effects and risk vs benefit analysis. It is important to remember that marketed medication is tested under rigorous conditions before approval (hence some of the long approval times for meds like Alzheimer's etc) but cannot take into account every potential eventuality in every individual circumstance. Also, we have to admit that research is funded by pharmaceutical companies so there is a conflict of interest to a degree. (Arguably, a large degree in some instances). However, the danger with some 'natural' or 'holistic' alternatives is that the research there can be even more limited. Therefore, it is important to make evidence based decisions and one can only do this by researching on the basis of empirical research conclusions AND personal circumstance. For example, NSAIDS (like ibuprofen) are said to be just as effective as morphine in pain relief. This is great! A 'proven' pain reliever, which is cheap and easily obtainable by the population. However, further research shows that NSAIDS should not be used by certain populations i.e. those on other medications or who have co-morbidities such as gastritis, for example. Therefore, although this particular 'proven' medicine is great for the MASSES it can have dire consequences for the minority. | |
04-21-2015, 05:55 AM | #157 | |
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04-21-2015, 06:17 AM | #158 | ||
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04-21-2015, 06:32 AM | #159 | |
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We have a false sense of security that drugs go under rigorous testing and are scrutinized for safety before being approved but this couldn't be farther from the truth. Just take a look and some of the drugs removed from the market in the past 10-15 years, were they not tested and approved? The deaths and injuries connected to dangerous drugs that never should have been approved typically go unreported so the public never really knows the frequency this is happening. This is a quote from a person who worked in the industry..... According to Marcia Angell, former editor-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM): 3 “Any reputable journal is at the mercy of what is submitted to it and must choose from whatever comes over the transom. Many studies never see the light of day because their findings are negative. There is a heavy bias toward positive studies, and this negative bias is a real problem. A company may conduct 1,000 trials; if two are positive, they get FDA approval and are published. The other 998 never see the light of day. In fact, half of all study data is never published.” When our own medical system is listed in the top three causes of deaths in the US there is a huge problem. Recently, there was a study done evaluating the health care system in eleven countries, including the US. The US health care system scored at the bottom in some of the categories. We don't have the best medical system in the world, ours is broken and we are at it's mercy. There's also the issue of deaths caused by properly prescribed and properly administered drugs, which accounts for 106,000 every year. Personally, I believe this number is actually higher than this because not every death is recorded as such. If this number of deaths were attached to supplements there would be such outrage and a call for tougher regulations, but since it's pharmaceuticals it's chalked up the risk vs benefit equation, even though these deaths weren't supposed to happen. Many aren't even aware that the pharmaceutical companies have gotten so greedy they are now outsourcing the manufacturing of the drugs we are consuming. Over 80% of them are now being made in China and India. The FDA is not able to inspect these factories, they just don't have the funding to send inspectors out of the country to oversee the quality control standards in these factories, so we are all at risk when consuming these drugs. Some people won't buy a household product made in China or buy a jerky treat for our pets, but we will trust the drugs without question. Some of the questions I'm concerned with are are they putting in the active ingredient? Are they putting in the correct dosage of the active ingredient? Are they putting is toxic fillers?..... Who knows since no one is watching or checking.
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04-21-2015, 06:37 AM | #160 | |
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I do agree with some of what you have said but I think it is very dangerous to dismiss all drugs on the basis of bias etc. Alzheimer's drugs, MS drugs and even influenza, measles, mumps, rubella and POLO have all benefitted from reduced symptomology, delay in progression or eradicated altogether. Lots of people claim drugs are responsible for a lot of things negative and dismiss all of the positive which is why some of these diseases, like measles etc. have resurfaced amongst children. A lot of people forget that measles can and DOES kill and inoculations are the reason so many kids have been saved from death. I think bias is something to be aware of but it isn't the be all and end all in terms of medicinal efficacy for humans or non-human animals. | |
04-21-2015, 06:37 AM | #161 |
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| Something I believe everyone posting in support of unproven medical treatments should read. Steve Jobs 'regretted trying to beat cancer with alternative medicine for so long' - Telegraph
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04-21-2015, 08:13 AM | #163 | |
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If my post gave the impression there are no beneficial drugs on the market that was not my intent.What I am saying is the pharmaceutical companies are manipulating and hiding clinical trials in order to get drugs on the market that should not have been approved. This is not about bias but about deception and fraud, this should never happen. It's also about safety and effectiveness not about whether we have some beneficial drugs on the market. Of course we do have some of benefit but it's the other that are the problem The concerns about safety and effectiveness, quality of the product and the risks vs benefits ratio should apply to all drugs, whether it be synthetic or supplements and herbs. If we would find it acceptable having tens of thousands of deaths connected to supplements then synthetics shouldn't get a pass either.
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