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04-20-2015, 10:26 AM | #136 |
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| I also asked him to write a review of the book. I also asked Dr. Remillard to review the book. She said they wrote a chapter in a vet text on nutrition about canine nutrigenomics so she said it would make an interesting comparison. I am not sure when she will get to it.
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04-20-2015, 10:30 AM | #137 |
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| Any one using herbs and holistic stuff needs to be aware that these have not been tested the same way as real medicines and there side effects and long term effects are unknown and some have even been shown to cause severe issues. Has any one heard of St.Johns wart? Natural little supplement that can have some seriously nasty terrible side effects. So not everything natural, herbal and holistic is all the great or even safe in my opinion it is far more dangerous the regular medicines.
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04-20-2015, 10:38 AM | #138 | |
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04-20-2015, 10:49 AM | #140 |
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| That's what I feel like it must be if the stuff is not ready available you know?
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04-20-2015, 11:28 AM | #141 |
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| I'm not willing to speculate on the reasons the data haven't been published yet--there are many possibilities. However, I want to thank everybody for moving on the Nutriscan controversy so quickly, including those who have had their dogs tested and obtained good results. Hopefully we will have some definitive answers soon. PS -- Since this thread didn't start out being about Nutriscan, I tagged it so people can find it later. This is turning into the most definitive Nutriscan thread yet Last edited by pstinard; 04-20-2015 at 11:29 AM. |
04-20-2015, 12:40 PM | #142 | |
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04-20-2015, 12:48 PM | #143 | |
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First of all Phil I thank you for taking the time to search and review the citations and to give your learned opinion on what you found and what you did not find! I plan on another communication with Dr Dodds in the near term future to ask further questions and see where she stands on her willingness preparedness to publish in shall I say more mainstream scientific journals.
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04-20-2015, 01:02 PM | #144 | |
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Great work Cathy. Because the more and clearer the information is out there the better it is for pet owners to make truly informed decisions at least with respect to this Nutriscan test. And I am pretty dang sure she has hundreds if not thousands of dogs that were tested and then some % applied the test results successfully (or not) with the dogs. How-ever she would have needed to set up a clinical trial that would provide meaningfull information once the data was collected and a control group etc etc etc.
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04-20-2015, 02:33 PM | #146 |
Donating YT 3000 Club Member | The replacement of herbs with synthesized or synthetic drugs is actually new, less then a century old. This is due to drug companies not being able to patent commonly used plants. These pharmaceutical companies employ chemists that can develop synthetic drugs to replace the plant. . . . Which is a billion plus industry. Here are some of the few of the many plants that are used now . . . . from Cinchona pubescens also known as the anti-malarial quinine. 10,000 tons of bark is harvested annually to make quinine. In cancer treatment, the drug Paclitaxel (Taxol) a derivative of the Pacific yew Taxus brevifolia, is used in chemotherapy. The Madagascar periwinkle Catharanthus roseus, is the source of vinblastine and vincristine, alkaloids used respectively in the treatment of Hodgkin’s disease and pediatric leukemia. Senna alexandrina, a shrubby perennial native to Arabia, was introduced as a laxative to Europe by Arab physicians in the ninth century. You can find senna in many drugstore laxative products today. Mentha (mint) species are the natural sources of menthol, an aromatic alcohol which is also known as peppermint camphor. Menthol is an active ingredient in topical preparations to relieve itching and as a mild local anesthetic to soothe soreness and ease muscular tension. Menthol is commonly used in lozenges for sore throats, and is added to inhalers to treat upper respiratory disorders and open congested sinuses. Peppermint oil, which can still be found in drugstores, is a centuries-old remedy for quelling an upset stomach. Studies show that peppermint oil when taken internally can relieve irritable bowel syndrome. Gaultheria procumbens, or wintergreen, is a source of methylsalicylate, which is widely used in topical ointments and liniments to relieve muscular pain, and for lumbago, sciatica and rheumatic conditions. Papaver somniferum, the opium poppy, yields a sap of narcotic opium, from which the potent pain killer morphine is made. Seeds and capsules discovered in the four thousand year old archaeological remains of Swiss lake-dwellers suggest the use of the plant for its narcotic juice. Simultaneously, opium and its products heroin and morphine established themselves among drug users and in the field of medicine. Both uses continue to this day. In modern medicine, morphine and its analogues remain unsurpassed pain killers. Digitalis purpurea, the purple foxglove, is a popular garden plant cultivated as a source of digitoxin, a cardiac drug which increases the strength of heart beat while decreasing its rate. The plant was recommended for medicinal purposes in the seventeenth century, and has appeared in the French Pharmacopoeia since its first printing in 1818. Digitoxin is used in the treatment of congestive heart failure and other cardiac disorders. Digitalis lanata, the woolly foxglove, is cultivated commercially as a source of digoxin, a cardiotonic used for the same purposes as digitoxin. Plants and their derivatives are currently the sources for thousands of drugs worldwide. I agree that i doesn't mean that they are all safe or without side effects. Certain parts from the plants like morphine are toxic due to their concentration strength. Small amounts of any can be benefical in a clinical setting. It is good to remember sometimes with medicine . .any you take can be poison with the dose. Here is some of a list of plants that are used in drugs Drugs from Plants - Ethnobotany and Chemistry Again please . . Open your minds. Remember something you may take every day. . . Salicin, Willow (salix) bark, which breaks down to become Salicylic Acid or you know as . . . Aspirin
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04-20-2015, 02:44 PM | #147 |
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| "Herbal advocates like to point out that about half of today's medicines were derived from plants. (Digitalis, for example, was originally derived from leaves of the foxglove plant.) This statement is true but misleading. Drug products contain specified amounts of active ingredients. Herbs in their natural state can vary greatly from batch to batch and often contain chemicals that cause side effects but provide no benefit." See, The Herbal Minefield
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04-20-2015, 02:53 PM | #148 | |
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To answer your question, my vet takes an integrative approach to medicine. I have used herbs on a few occasions, but he mostly has used conventional medicatiňn with my dogs. He blends western medicine with Chinese medicine. His wife also is a veterinarian at the practice. She got her degree from Cornell. My veterinarian uses conventional medicine and is a wonderful diagnostician, but he is mostly known for his Use of Chinese medicine. Before Katie, I had three Yorkies all from the same sire who were within a year of each other. All three for the most part were treated mostly with conventional medicine. They had core vaccines every three years but no others, and they had yearly dentals and checkups. They most definitely had heartworm prevention, as well as flea and tick medicatiňn. When Ashley was found to have an enlarged heart at close to eleven, he stopped all vaccines for her. She was on a small dose of Enalapril for her heart. When she was close to sixteen she took herbs for her heart because it was pressing on her trachea, but it wasn't for a long time. Her heart and lungs were very strong because of all of the walking we did. Ashley took herbs for her trachea for a short time also when she had a bad flare-up. I considered her tracheal issues mild, but perhaps it's because her little sister, Gracie, had severe tracheal issues her whole life. Otherwise, Ashley was treated with conventional medicine throughout her almost seventeen years. Gracie never took herbs. Her trachea was awful, and she required a lot of care. Herbs were never suggested for Gracie's trachea. Kiwi was my little girl with the terrible allergies and the heart problem not long before she passed away. We used cortisteroids and allergy serums, and she still suffered. She never got rashes or secondary infections, but they her allergies really affected her. We tried herbs for a while for her heart. My girls were very difficult to pill, and with the strong smell and probably awful taste of the herbs, they were able to spit them out of almost everything. I would have more readily used them if it was easier to get them to take herbs. When Kiwi went into CHF, she was prescribed Lasix and Enalapril. She was not taking herbs, and results from the blood test after only a week showed her kidneys were being affected. It was a long time ago, so I don't recall if we did blood work before she started the medication, but when the results of the kidneys being affected, he pulled her off Enalapril. We had to flush her kidneys out first and only later when she was stronger were herbs started. Katie is six. She came to me at three years old having all puppy and first year vaccines. She had a rabies vaccine two years ago. My vet said he wanted to separate out the vaccines. I brought up the subject of titers, and that is his preference. Had I not brought titers up, he would have given her the booster a month later. I realize titers are not 100% reliable. I'm really very conflicted about whether she should have a vaccine this year. Her titer levels were very good last year and the duration of immunity most likely is greater than three years. I'm really struggling with this. Katie has never taken herbs, nor were they ever suggested, but I will consider them in certain instances. She has taken Flagyl and Clavamox but no other medications other than heartworm, flea, and tick medications. i've seen my veterinarian's wife and the other vet in the practice, and they are very good vets, but I mostly see this vet. All practice conventional medicine with the addition of Chinese medicine at times. My vet has a wonderful way with animals, and he treats them with great respect. Herbs are never pushed, and I always feel he has the best interest of animals at heart. Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't hesitate to seek the help of a specialist should Katie need one. You have taken such wonderful care of all of your dogs, and I hope Barney and your three precious little ones remain healthy and happy. No doubt they are loved and given the very best care. I really admire how much you advocate for your dogs and how have given them every chance for the best, healthiest life possible. Thank you again for looking out for Katie and me. She is the center of our lives, and we adore her. We would never knowingly do anything to harm her, and we are doing our very best to keep her healthy, active, and extremely happy.
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04-20-2015, 03:06 PM | #150 | |
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I used to be skeptical, but I've seen Chinese medication work. That does not mean that I don't use conventional medication for Katie and me. I would definitely have to know something about who was making them, just like I want to know about the company who makes vitamins I take.
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