1st yorkie pup! Please help. Any advice on undocked tails or Parti coloring?

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by MauiGirl

I am so happy you posted this. I adore Little Ms Phiefer and would love to see more photos of her too.

My Morkies have the most beautiful full tail plumes, and I wish Tiki had one too. It seems like such a natural expression of their personalities to see those tails carried high above their backs, or wagging like flags. Poor Tiki has such a tiny nub, I let the hair grow long on it so she has something to wag.

I agree, I love the tails. My poor Cookie has a nub.

I just got an injured yorkie in tonight...he is in the hospital and will have surgery in AM. They told me he is adorable AND has a tail!

[Lovetodream88]

I do want to just say I'm not sticking up for or against tail docking it's not something I necessarily agree with but I don't agree with the standards of many dogs. I do believe it would be a rare thing to find a reputable breeder who didn't didn't dock tails not that there is not one out there but just it might be hard unless you are on a waiting list and you ask ahead or time for no tail docking. I was trying to ask other questions to the op to try and figure out if this was a reputable breeder or not because a few things didn't sound right but they just got ignored I'm sure for many reasons. But at the end of the day color is up for argument docking tails and dew claws are up for argument. Other things like how far back does this breeder know the lines of the dog back if it's not several several generations back then she doesn't know whether some serious genetic issues run in the lines which reputable breeders do, or did she have the things she can health checked, or is she breeding females under 5 pounds, or does she have a good health guarantee, or does she have a spay and neuter contract? These are things that are not in argument that a reputable breeder does and by answering these questions it might get you a bit closer to your answer. The reason there is a standard though is to make sure yorkies look like yorkies because there are so many bad breeders out there breeding yorkies and creating yorkies that don't even look like yorkies and that is really damaging the breed. Puppy mills don't care about the standard or even quality they simply care about quantity and money. I do worry about you not really knowing about puppy mills by your comment that there one of the only ones who cares about the standard because I'm pretty sure you could ask owners of several puppy mills what the standard is and they would have no idea. The snobs being another one of the people you say only care about the standard bothered me badly maybe to a point I got to defensive but it was a hurtful comment. I am not a snob I am simply a lover or yorkies standard or not and I certainly don't have a perfect yorkie in the standards eyes. I speak out about reputable breeders so much for one reason because my baby came from a puppy mill and has had to suffer terrible issues and pain because they didn't care about health so I try to push people probably to hard in the direction of a reputable breeder because I don't want someone else to have to watch there dog like that and if we stop buying from puppy mills and non reputable breeders they will eventually have to go out of business. These dogs this breed is in my heart. I have a big love for them and I just want what is best for them and for the breeders who aren't doing right by them to not make money.

[ironmike86]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I do want to just say I'm not sticking up for or against tail docking it's not something I necessarily agree with but I don't agree with the standards of many dogs. I do believe it would be a rare thing to find a reputable breeder who didn't didn't dock tails not that there is not one out there but just it might be hard unless you are on a waiting list and you ask ahead or time for no tail docking. I was trying to ask other questions to the op to try and figure out if this was a reputable breeder or not because a few things didn't sound right but they just got ignored I'm sure for many reasons. But at the end of the day color is up for argument docking tails and dew claws are up for argument. Other things like how far back does this breeder know the lines of the dog back if it's not several several generations back then she doesn't know whether some serious genetic issues run in the lines which reputable breeders do, or did she have the things she can health checked, or is she breeding females under 5 pounds, or does she have a good health guarantee, or does she have a spay and neuter contract? These are things that are not in argument that a reputable breeder does and by answering these questions it might get you a bit closer to your answer. The reason there is a standard though is to make sure yorkies look like yorkies because there are so many bad breeders out there breeding yorkies and creating yorkies that don't even look like yorkies and that is really damaging the breed. Puppy mills don't care about the standard or even quality they simply care about quantity and money. I do worry about you not really knowing about puppy mills by your comment that there one of the only ones who cares about the standard because I'm pretty sure you could ask owners of several puppy mills what the standard is and they would have no idea. The snobs being another one of the people you say only care about the standard bothered me badly maybe to a point I got to defensive but it was a hurtful comment. I am not a snob I am simply a lover or yorkies standard or not and I certainly don't have a perfect yorkie in the standards eyes. I speak out about reputable breeders so much for one reason because my baby came from a puppy mill and has had to suffer terrible issues and pain because they didn't care about health so I try to push people probably to hard in the direction of a reputable breeder because I don't want someone else to have to watch there dog like that and if we stop buying from puppy mills and non reputable breeders they will eventually have to go out of business. These dogs this breed is in my heart. I have a big love for them and I just want what is best for them and for the breeders who aren't doing right by them to not make money.

I agree. I had a Yorkie from poor breeding. Co$t alot in vet bills. What hurt is when he passed at 7yrs Yorkies are know to be overbred from greeders and mills. If you aren't a Show breeder . You won't get a show puppy. Simple get ppl need to get that outta there head. They want a puppy bred from a reputable breeder mainly for health check and if theres a genetic flaw in the lines they don't bred that line anymore.Main thing is health and treatment of the dogs. Not pumping pups out and healthy conditions

[sampsongc]

Originally Posted by maxdog

If you are looking for a perfect show dog, look somewhere else. If you are looking for a perfect companion, they come in all shapes sizes and colors. I don't know if Max and Sasha are perfect by show standards (and I don't care) but I know they are perfect by my standards. Due your due diligence as far as health and breeder history goes and then get ready to have your heart stolen.

I have been reading YT posts recently looking for info about chiari. Found a lot of good info on yorkies and enjoyed reading until this post. A lot of judging others opinions and non respect from some. This reply from Maxdog is an example of what a reply with class looks like.

[Parti Peanut]

To answer the OP's question. Yes, I would buy a parti colored yorkie and I did. Peanut's tail is docked but, I think he would be beautiful either way. He's my favorite little yorkie (only one I have) and I wouldn't trade him for a whole kennel full of "show quality" yorkies.

[ironmike86]

Originally Posted by sampsongc

I have been reading YT posts recently looking for info about chiari. Found a lot of good info on yorkies and enjoyed reading until this post. A lot of judging others opinions and non respect from some. This reply from Maxdog is an example of what a reply with class looks like.

Because ppl who have experience bad breeding get passionate. Your Companion will rip your heart out if you spend alot of money on Vet bills and they still pass from some genetic defect on which they should have been not breed in the first place.

[ironmike86]

Originally Posted by Parti Peanut

To answer the OP's question. Yes, I would buy a parti colored yorkie and I did. Peanut's tail is docked but, I think he would be beautiful either way. He's my favorite little yorkie (only one I have) and I wouldn't trade him for a whole kennel full of "show quality" yorkies.

Its not the "show Quality" its the quality in the way they breed a healthy animal... Which still doesn't always happen. but you can imagine how less it will happen with just ppl breeding . They should be altered if you don't learn responsible breeding practices

[Parti Peanut]

Originally Posted by ironmike86

Its not the "show Quality" its the quality in the way they breed a healthy animal... Which still doesn't always happen. but you can imagine how less it will happen with just ppl breeding . They should be altered if you don't learn responsible breeding practices

Breeding a healthy animal is by far the most important thing. I have to say though that the standards that are set by some breed clubs have caused a lot of problems for certain breeds. Some have been bred to standards that will not allow them to welp pups naturally or have breathing problems trying to breed for that pug nose. We (humans) have decided what characteristics we want in specific breeds and IMO it is not always a benefit to the breeds health.

[ironmike86]

Originally Posted by Parti Peanut

Breeding a healthy animal is by far the most important thing. I have to say though that the standards that are set by some breed clubs have caused a lot of problems for certain breeds. Some have been bred to standards that will not allow them to welp pups naturally or have breathing problems trying to breed for that pug nose. We (humans) have decided what characteristics we want in specific breeds and IMO it is not always a benefit to the breeds health.

True like Bulldogs. But I don't support those dogs. Only standard I really care about because I have pets . Is the breeding practices. I want healthy as I can possibly find. If I'm buying a puppy on the cheap then I home they are doing a good job. But Yorkies,Partis ,Brewers ppl are asking $2k plus there better be some reason I'm paying that much. Well breeding practices isn't a 'Standard" just ppl who are showing dogs breed for health. ...usualy because htey want there next champion. They aren't selling show puppies. But you may benifit from the breeding practices...Maybe not but I would rather take my chance there then from someone who just wanted puppies and is selling them for the same price

[Parti Peanut]

Just wanted to mention also that show standards for most breeds have changed over time and will continue to do so. If you will compare pictures of show champions from years ago and champions now, you will see what I mean.

[SirTeddykins]

It is disappointing, for me, to find that threads which seek advice turn into debates which have 'right or wrong' and 'sides' attached to them.


The OP came here seeking opinions and instead this thread appears to have degenerated into bickering.


I am against tail docking but I do not judge those who continue the practice for many reasons. Mostly, because I believe that society has a huge influence on what people perceive as right or wrong. When something has been ingrained as permissible for a very long time, it is hard to persuade our collective minds to look outside of the issue so that it can be analyzed from alternative points of view. I guess my training allows me to be more objective than judgmental or maybe it's part of my personality, I don't know. I do feel sorry for the dogs who are victims of a permissive mentality but I am hopeful that tail docking, like other permissive practices of the past, will soon be frowned upon and/or discontinued in most countries. As someone mentioned, the tide has already turned significantly in favor of the dogs.


What I do know is that no one should come on here feeling like they should be afraid to voice their opinion or stick with their opinion because someone else may disagree. No one should be made to feel ignorant for asking a question. No one should feel upset because they have been shown the error of their ways by understanding people who have all made mistakes.


If we could just remember that we are all humans, imperfect by nature, then we could go a long way to restoring what this site should be about -which is learning.


Disagreement is not a bad thing, in fact, it is often necessary to get to the crux of an issue. But, there is a sophisticated, adult way to communicate.


I recommend this site:


Effective Communication: Improving Communication Skills in Business and Relationships


If someone feels offended by a post, or angry, I would suggest stepping back before responding so that time can assist with a thoughtful, constructive post instead of a personal attack.


OP- we are ALL Yorkie lovers and EVERYONE on here has made valid points. We are all passionate because we have seen horrible examples of what puppy mills, irresponsible breeding, ownership etc mean for these dogs.


I hope you can see past any negativity and find some real assistance in this thread as I believe everyone is trying to assist in their own way.


I still want pics when you get your new puppy


With love,


Sir Rupert Teddykins

[sampsongc]

Originally Posted by SirTeddykins

It is disappointing, for me, to find that threads which seek advice turn into debates which have 'right or wrong' and 'sides' attached to them.


The OP came here seeking opinions and instead this thread appears to have degenerated into bickering.


I am against tail docking but I do not judge those who continue the practice for many reasons. Mostly, because I believe that society has a huge influence on what people perceive as right or wrong. When something has been ingrained as permissible for a very long time, it is hard to persuade our collective minds to look outside of the issue so that it can be analyzed from alternative points of view. I guess my training allows me to be more objective than judgmental or maybe it's part of my personality, I don't know. I do feel sorry for the dogs who are victims of a permissive mentality but I am hopeful that tail docking, like other permissive practices of the past, will soon be frowned upon and/or discontinued in most countries. As someone mentioned, the tide has already turned significantly in favor of the dogs.


What I do know is that no one should come on here feeling like they should be afraid to voice their opinion or stick with their opinion because someone else may disagree. No one should be made to feel ignorant for asking a question. No one should feel upset because they have been shown the error of their ways by understanding people who have all made mistakes.


If we could just remember that we are all humans, imperfect by nature, then we could go a long way to restoring what this site should be about -which is learning.


Disagreement is not a bad thing, in fact, it is often necessary to get to the crux of an issue. But, there is a sophisticated, adult way to communicate.


I recommend this site:


Effective Communication: Improving Communication Skills in Business and Relationships


If someone feels offended by a post, or angry, I would suggest stepping back before responding so that time can assist with a thoughtful, constructive post instead of a personal attack.


OP- we are ALL Yorkie lovers and EVERYONE on here has made valid points. We are all passionate because we have seen horrible examples of what puppy mills, irresponsible breeding, ownership etc mean for these dogs.


I hope you can see past any negativity and find some real assistance in this thread as I believe everyone is trying to assist in their own way.


I still want pics when you get your new puppy


With love,


Sir Rupert Teddykins

Great reply! Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Parti Peanut]

Originally Posted by sampsongc

Great reply! Couldn't have said it better myself.

[ladyjane]

Goodness. This is an online forum and there is nothing being discussed that is out of line. IF you think it is out of line, then simply report it. Not one of us, you included, has the right answer to what should be said.

As with anything else here, take what you can use and leave the rest behind.

[Parti Peanut]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Goodness. This is an online forum and there is nothing being discussed that is out of line. IF you think it is out of line, then simply report it. Not one of us, you included, has the right answer to what should be said.

As with anything else here, take what you can use and leave the rest behind.

You are right that everyone here has a right to their own opinion. I have learned so much from this forum but I cringe every time a new member asks certain questions because I know what will follow. I know that most here are just trying to help but sometimes the comments come across so strongly that it chases away the OP who really would benefit from the knowledge here. JMO