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06-14-2012, 04:36 PM | #1 |
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| breeder falsley represented puppy My breeder falsley represented my puppy. She sold me an AKC dog that was really APR. We didn't know until we registered her at 6 months. What can you tell me about APR and what would an APR yorkie sell for? I ask because I am sure they don't sell for what I paid. |
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06-14-2012, 04:47 PM | #2 |
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| I hope someone knows. I'm not a breeder but have had purebred dogs all my life. Have never heard of APR. I guess they think if they have some letters put together that it makes it sound official. As for the price.....there are breeders out there asking well over a thousand dollars for the so called "designer" dogs they sell. It's all a scam. |
06-14-2012, 05:02 PM | #3 |
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06-14-2012, 05:12 PM | #4 |
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06-14-2012, 05:15 PM | #5 |
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| I am sorry that were decieved. Did you plan to show or breed your Yorkie ? Did you have a contract with the breeder ? I am sure some YTer will know if you have legal recourse.
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06-14-2012, 05:25 PM | #6 |
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| Did this breeder not give you the papers to register the puppy at the time of purchase? If she gave you akc papers then I would say you should have some legal recourse to recoup part of your money.
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06-14-2012, 06:55 PM | #7 | |
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If she gave you AKC papers, and you have a contract with an AKC litter number on it...that is the number given to the litter this pup is in....and you tried to register the baby using AKC papers that are NOT designated to that puppy, the "breeder" has shot herself in the foot. You need to contact the breeder and tell her what exactly has happened...DO NOT RETURN THE PAPERS SHE GAVE YOU TO REGISTER THE BABY UNTIL THIS IS RESOLVED, AND THEN KEEP A COPY FOR ANY FUTURE COLABORATION WITH THE AKC...those along with the information on the contract, is proof she deliberately tried to deceive you almost immediately. You may very well get the cost of that puppy refunded to you. If she does not realize the seriousness of her deception, especially where it involves the AKC, you need to remind her you will be in contact with the AKC in order to get THEIR guidance and direction from their legal and record keeping department, on what your next course of action should be. I am hopeful you continue to pursue this legally and not go off half cocked and cancel your payment for the puppy...keep it legal, you are in the right here, and you will win any action you take. You will do a lot more corrective damage to this woman staying within the realm of legal pursuit. Last edited by Yorkiemom1; 06-14-2012 at 06:57 PM. | |
06-14-2012, 07:23 PM | #8 |
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| She gave me American Pet Registry papers but I had no reason (I thought) to look at my papers until I was ready to register her. I have the ads that say AKC pups. And I asked her at least twice to make sure. I did want to breed her, and there was no limits in my contract. She knew I wanted to breed her. |
06-14-2012, 07:30 PM | #9 |
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| Also, I bought the pup in November so we aren't giving her back, and the pup is paid for. I contacted AKC and they said to seek legal council. That is what I have done. I just want some info on the value of an APR for my case but it seems like APR lets anyone register a dog with them. I also contacted Tom Martino and a private lawyer, it seems the issue is the deception and false representation. I am sad because no one wants to breed with an APR dog if they aren't purebred. So that is my dilema. You are all being so helpful! Thanks. |
06-14-2012, 07:48 PM | #10 |
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| Sorry this happened to you. So sorry this happened to you. I've seen lots of "APR" puppies. There are a lot of other registries too. Your initial contract may be your best bet for recourse. I've seen some listings that say: "AKC/APR" If you're trying to prove a bait and switch, you'll have to establish that the puppy you selected was designated as an AKC registered puppy. The breeder might say that they breed AKC pups - but that doesn't necessarily mean that all their pups are AKC registered. About price: I've seen lots of puppies from different registries going for very high prices. Breeders generally state that if you want "full AKC rights" the cost is even higher. Do you have the original listing?? That may help you too. Good luck to you. |
06-14-2012, 07:51 PM | #11 | |
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06-14-2012, 08:10 PM | #12 | |
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But some 'breeders' are very clever - I've seen the ads. For example, they'll put "AKC Macy" in the title - but in very small print or buried in the middle of a lengthly listing they'll mention that the puppy is registered with APR. It's very deceitful. I bet that somewhere (either in the contract or the listing or on the breeder's website) the APR designation is mentioned. Everytime I'd see an ad like that, I'd run. And it doesn't matter if the breeder said that the puppy was AKC in a phone conversation either - that's going to be difficult to prove unless recorded. It's very very unfortunate. Every document and the actual listing needs to be reviewed carefully. These awful breeders know what their doing and they know the language their using. It's one of the reasons (among many) that I backed away from all online/newspaper listings in my pursuit of a puppy. And I've seen Judge Judy knock down some breeders too - however, I've also seen her find in their favor when there's no definitive guaranty that the puppy would be appropriately registered. So it all depends. Also remember: the cost of an attorney may exceed the cost of the puppy and it may be difficult to pursue the breeder if their out of state (you'd have to appear in court there.) You should certainly report to the BBB and other state agencies if you've been deceived. I hope this resolves favorably. Ultimately, loving your puppy - no matter what registry - is still a good thing!! Good luck. | |
06-14-2012, 09:10 PM | #13 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: colorado
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| Nancy, yes I have all of that. I am in small claims which in this state is <$7,000.00 I think my case is pretty cut and dry. I have the ads from the agencies she advertised with. I have seen a couple of APR pups for sale in CO from $250.00-450.00. I paid $800.00 for her. I want to know the best place to look for pups since their aren't many in CO so I can compare price, and google is not much help. I would not have purchased a non AKC dog to begin with, but now we love her and can't change that. She is soooo precious. |
06-15-2012, 04:06 AM | #14 | |
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