breeder falsley represented puppy

[BiewerYorkie]

Such a shame that some people are so dishonest. I have always said, two kinds of people I cannot stand are theives and lyers (come from 26 years in retail I guess).

Sorry you have to go through this. I KNOW you are attached to this furbaby. Is it within YT rules to post the name of this breeder as a warning to others?

Louise

[gracielove]

Looking for an AKC registered puppy is not going to guarantee you a quality puppy. Many of the puppy mills sell AKC registered puppies. Although AKC is the only acceptable registry in this country it by no means indicates that you are getting a good quality or even a healthy pup. Puppy mills switch their litter registration papers around like they were playing cards. The could even breed a half breed with a full bred dog and get away with it. They still charge huge amount for those poor babies though.

Online sites and sellers that come up when you do a google search are puppy mills and backyard breeders. They are breeding genetically inferior dogs. The type of breeding they practice is what is causing so many deadly genetic problems in Yories as well as other breeds. You cannot just put any two cute dogs together and not bring forward many recessive genes that carry defects. These breeders advertize themselves as being legit but they are simply "greeders" that are out to make some easy money at the expense of the helpless animals.

I would encourage you to read as much as you can on YT about breeding. Go to the breeders section and read in the library. There are some very informed and experienced breeders here that hopefully can explain things in with better detail than I can. You are fortunate that you only have issues with your puppy's papers. You could have ended up with a very $ick puppy. Many have.

[luvlee]

Originally Posted by gracielove

Looking for an AKC registered puppy is not going to guarantee you a quality puppy. Many of the puppy mills sell AKC registered puppies. Although AKC is the only acceptable registry in this country it by no means indicates that you are getting a good quality or even a healthy pup. Puppy mills switch their litter registration papers around like they were playing cards. The could even breed a half breed with a full bred dog and get away with it. They still charge huge amount for those poor babies though.

Online sites and sellers that come up when you do a google search are puppy mills and backyard breeders. They are breeding genetically inferior dogs. The type of breeding they practice is what is causing so many deadly genetic problems in Yories as well as other breeds. You cannot just put any two cute dogs together and not bring forward many recessive genes that carry defects. These breeders advertize themselves as being legit but they are simply "greeders" that are out to make some easy money at the expense of the helpless animals.

I would encourage you to read as much as you can on YT about breeding. Go to the breeders section and read in the library. There are some very informed and experienced breeders here that hopefully can explain things in with better detail than I can. You are fortunate that you only have issues with your puppy's papers. You could have ended up with a very puppy. Many have.

Absolutely True! True but Sad also.

[Teegy]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Here's what one website says about APR.



Basically, it worthless, and since she advertised AKC pups, and that is a purebred registry which requires proof from the breeder, you could sue. I've seen several cases like this on the TV judge shows and the plantiff always wins, so you could get the difference between the amount you would pay for a purebred vs. what you would pay for a mixed breed. You would sue her under small claims courts, which require no attorney, you act as your own, and the filing fee is usually $10.00. You can sue for up to $2,000, I don't know the exact amount, you can google it, but you would need proof of purchase, and the classified ad.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by littleo

Nancy, yes I have all of that. I am in small claims which in this state is <$7,000.00 I think my case is pretty cut and dry. I have the ads from the agencies she advertised with. I have seen a couple of APR pups for sale in CO from $250.00-450.00. I paid $800.00 for her. I want to know the best place to look for pups since their aren't many in CO so I can compare price, and google is not much help. I would not have purchased a non AKC dog to begin with, but now we love her and can't change that. She is soooo precious.

I think the way they do it is the difference between what you paid $800.00 and what a APR dog is sold for or even a dog with an undetermined background. So you might get $500.00 back, but this is more about the principle of the thing, and hopefully, she learns a lesson and stops misleading the public.

[msyorktown]

I just looked it up its now American Purebred Registry.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by msyorktown

I just looked it up its now American Purebred Registry.

They can call it anything they want, but a breeder doesn't need proof to register a dog with them, they will take the breeder's "word" for it. This registry was founded by commercial breeders, i.e. puppy mill breeders!

[gemy]

I am sorry you were deceived, but even at $800 or so dollars, I know of no show breeder who would place a female puppy with full breeding rights to some-one that they don't know personally, or know deeply of their reputation. After all you would be carrying on their lines, and most breeders are proud of the lines they have struggled to establish.

So to be forewarned if you want to truly get into responsible breeding you will need to find a mentor, join your local Toy or all Breed Club and start learning the things you need to prior to breeding. If you had investigated a little further prior to purchasing any pup, the $800 for full breeding right should have been a warning sign!. Also how could you have investigated the pups lineage, and the parents health checks if you did not have either their full AKC registration numbers and or the full and complete registered name?

Many here will say that the only legitimate reason to breed is to' "Better the Breed". That indeed is a laudable goal; how-ever that may be the ultimate goal, with an earlier stepping stone of Breeding Fine Healthy PureBreds. You still hope to breed to that superior specimen of the breed, but it does take a lot of time to breed to better the Breed.

So in closing I would recommend you visit the parent club of www.ytca.org. Find out what breeders are within your state or the closest breeders to you.

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by littleo

She gave me American Pet Registry papers but I had no reason (I thought) to look at my papers until I was ready to register her. I have the ads that say AKC pups. And I asked her at least twice to make sure. I did want to breed her, and there was no limits in my contract. She knew I wanted to breed her.

Originally Posted by littleo

I paid $800.00 for her. I want to know the best place to look for pups since their aren't many in CO so I can compare price, and google is not much help. I would not have purchased a non AKC dog to begin with, but now we love her and can't change that. She is soooo precious.

I'm sorry you were duped. The breeder should not be advertising one thing and selling another...that's just shady.

But, what you wrote above should have had you on high alert. I don't know of any reputable breeder around my area that will sell a female AKC yorkie with full registration for that price.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by gemy

I am sorry you were deceived, but even at $800 or so dollars, I know of no show breeder who would place a female puppy with full breeding rights to some-one that they don't know personally, or know deeply of their reputation. After all you would be carrying on their lines, and most breeders are proud of the lines they have struggled to establish.
So to be forewarned if you want to truly get into responsible breeding you will need to find a mentor, join your local Toy or all Breed Club and start learning the things you need to prior to breeding. If you had investigated a little further prior to purchasing any pup, the $800 for full breeding right should have been a warning sign!. Also how could you have investigated the pups lineage, and the parents health checks if you did not have either their full AKC registration numbers and or the full and complete registered name?
Many here will say that the only legitimate reason to breed is to' "Better the Breed". That indeed is a laudable goal; how-ever that may be the ultimate goal, with an earlier stepping stone of Breeding Fine Healthy PureBreds. You still hope to breed to that superior specimen of the breed, but it does take a lot of time to breed to better the Breed.

So in closing I would recommend you visit the parent club of www.ytca.org. Find out what breeders are within your state or the closest breeders to you.

I was going to underline the ideas expressed by gemy that I really agreed with....I discovered I was underlining the entire post...this is soooooo accurate, the entire thing!!!....YOU MUST DO PEDIGREE RESEARCH...THERE ARE TOOOO MANY GENETIC MALFORMATIONS BEING PERPETUATED BY "BREEDERS" NOT DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE IN PREVENTING SUCH MISTAKES...

[littleo]

Thank you all! And especially Gemy, which I take your info to heart. I figured I wouldn't breed for about 2 years in which time I planned on learning everything I could about how to best breed her. Yorkies are very hard to find in this state. I would never try and breed ill pups or pups without papers. Although, my case is basically that she lied and sold me the wrong thing.

I want you all to know, that this YT has the nicest people I have talked to or heard from online in a very long time.

I will be researching. Also, I have read a lot about the tiny teacups if you will...and I hear they're not healthy because of immature fontanelles, hydrocephalus, etc.. and have a lifespan of only 3-7 years. I believe even wikipedia talks about this. Does anyone have a stance either way?

[FoxxysMom]

I learned here there is no such thing as teacup, micro or mini. Those are terms used to grab the maximum amount of money for a puppy. When I see Teacup Yorkie for sale, I growl. Yep, growl.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by littleo

Thank you all! And especially Gemy, which I take your info to heart. I figured I wouldn't breed for about 2 years in which time I planned on learning everything I could about how to best breed her. Yorkies are very hard to find in this state. I would never try and breed ill pups or pups without papers. Although, my case is basically that she lied and sold me the wrong thing.

I want you all to know, that this YT has the nicest people I have talked to or heard from online in a very long time.

I will be researching. Also, I have read a lot about the tiny teacups if you will...and I hear they're not healthy because of immature fontanelles, hydrocephalus, etc.. and have a lifespan of only 3-7 years. I believe even wikipedia talks about this. Does anyone have a stance either way?

I agree with FoxxysMom, beware of breeders who use those terms to market their dogs. There is no definition of a teacup, some people think a teacup is a dog under 12 pounds, others think it’s a dog under 3 pounds. The mother club doesn’t differentiate between sizes, they are all toy Yorkies. Some tinies are healthy, I think the problem is breeders who breed for them. Occasionally a dog is small, just because it's in his genes, and there is no underlying disease that is making it small. A good breeder will occasionally have a tiny healthy puppy, but even then you might have certain problems and you do have to pay more attention to their needs. A good breeder will not sell the tiny for more, and in fact some will place the tiny free of charge because they say, “You don’t sell heartache.”

A breeder should never breed a female less than 5 pounds in the hopes of producing a tiny. Some will breed a 5 pound female with a 3 pound male in hopes of producing a tiny, but you have to take into consideration all the dogs in the line, not just the two you are breeding. Truth is few people have households set up to take care of a dog less than 4 pounds. If a breeder hasn’t done something like deny good nutrition in order to produce small pups, a tiny can be healthy, but special attention should be given to their teeth. Dogs under 4 pounds usually lose their teeth early. Standard says, “must not exceed 7 pounds” however, don’t look to just one part of standard, look at the whole thing. I think that’s the problem with one trait breeders, they are just trying to market a novelty.

[luvlee]

Originally Posted by littleo

I will be researching. Also, I have read a lot about the tiny teacups if you will...and I hear they're not healthy because of immature fontanelles, hydrocephalus, etc.. and have a lifespan of only 3-7 years. I believe even wikipedia talks about this. Does anyone have a stance either way?

I'm new here also. From my research and understanding, I think the very term "teacup" is a signal that the yorkies were irresponsibly bred. I don't believe that any reputable breeder strives for undersized yorkie puppies.

Your best bet, I believe, is to intern with or mentor with a reputable breeder. Usually, these are the people that actually show dogs (but not necessarily.) They are dedicated to preserving the breed with healthy, quality dogs. You should research local dog shows in your state and attend. Maybe you can find someone who'll let you help out. (That's exactly how my breeder - of show champions - started out 25 yrs ago!)

From everything I've read, breeding dogs does not make you a lot of money. It takes more than putting 2 AKC registered dogs together. You have to understand each dog's history - so you don't end up with an unhealthy lot. It's a whole lot of work to do it right. And it's my view that a breeder should strive to do it right.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. Have a great evening and good luck to you.

Tracey

[concretegurl]

Your puppy is worth the same a a puppy with no papers.

I thought APR was gone wow so sad sorry you were mislead.

I hope you and your pup will carry on reguardless.