SET Yorkies

[lillymae]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

All I can say to the above is: what a coincidence and so lucky that she stumbled onto this thread. Amazing how the peaces seem to fall toogether. You were once again so very helpful

Maybe you should stick to talking about something you know something about as this is not one of those things & Admin or any Mod can feel free to check my PM's to put this to rest as the PM has not been deleted and I can show proof, Can You ?
As I said before I do hope you are not accusing me of something here , are you ?

[Yorkiexpress]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I would RUN IN THE OTHER DIRECTION from this breeder! Not only is she peddling puppies on her Facebook but she has them posted on the Lubbuck BUY, SELL AND TRADE Facebook page. This is not how a reputable breeder sells dogs. I personally would never consider a breeder that conducts puppy sales in this manner. IMO, I don't care what kind of "puppy questionirre" is a required formality of approval. If you are selling puppies on a Buy, Sell and Trade page to anyone that comes along you are not reputable in my book. As a matter of fact, about 6 months ago many of the YTCA breeders that are on my friends list removed any breeders that were offering puppies for sale in this manner.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

I fully agree......run DO NOT walk as far and as fast away from her as possible.....
copied this from her FB page....

Set YorkiesLumberton, TX Buy, Sell or Trade
Adorable Yorkshire Terriers Available
2 males and 1 female, fully vaccinated, microchipped, and vet checked
15 wks old and ready for thier new homes
All will be less than 5 lbs $350 to $850

JMO though....

[gemy]

Okay back to the OP's question vs a vs Breeders.

One thing that could work, is if you have someone you know that lives nearby to a breeder that you are interested in; they could visit the breeder, and see the sires and dams.

Another I like to ask for is the Breeder's Vet Reference, and do follow-up on that reference. I would ask the vet specific questions on what tests she does on her breeding pairs. For example even though my vet is not qualified to do CERF, Razzle's cerf certification is kept on file with him, as well as OFA certification on hips, Thyroid, etc. I would ask the vet in his opinion do her breeding dams/sire, meet the standard in terms of structure, coat, color, etc. I would ask the vet about the temperament of her dogs. I would ask the vet how long she has been a client, and does she bring in any of her other breeds to him? This is a sneaker quesiton, because if she hasn't disclosed to you all her breeds that she breeds then,......

On the subject of Contracts: it would be of benefit to you the purchaser, prior to signing a contract to run it past your lawyer. You truly do want to understand your rights under this contract.

And on a side note' I'd never accept a pup that has been spayed prematurely. Or agree to a condition that a pup MUST be spayed prior to 12months. There can be some medical conditions that prevent you from fulfilling that part of the contract. And it is up to me and my Vet to determine the most appropriate time for spaying/neutering

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by lillymae

Maybe you should stick to talking about something you know something about as this is not one of those things & Admin or any Mod can feel free to check my PM's to put this to rest as the PM has not been deleted and I can show proof, Can You ?
As I said before I do hope you are not accusing me of something here , are you ?

I'm not sure where this is all coming There is no need to acceleration my posts regarding Shorebound by your misunderstanding of my precious posting. If it were not for you informing us of you coincidentally sending her a PM yesterday we would not have even know. On a side note regarding PMs....as far as I have always been led to believe ADMIN and MODS do not moderate or check our PM. They are just that~private. Furthermore, what are you asking for proof of from me? Did I possibly miss something on this thread. As you previously stated, we should get back the what the OP started this thread about, her questions about SET Yorkies and her search of a new puppy. IMO, this needs to be dropped. But if you need further clarification please feel free to PM me.

Nicole, I am very sorry that this seems to be some huge misinterpretation on the part of LM. My thoughts regarding what transpired were not meant to provoke this back and forth dialogue and it's my hope it has been sucessfullly address or be taken to PMs if necessary.

[lillymae]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I'm not sure where this is all coming There is no need to acceleration my posts regarding Shorebound by your misunderstanding of my precious posting. If it were not for you informing us of you coincidentally sending her a PM yesterday we would not have even know. On a side note regarding PMs....as far as I have always been led to believe ADMIN and MODS do not moderate or check our PM. They are just that~private. Furthermore, what are you asking for proof of from me? Did I possibly miss something on this thread. As you previously stated, we should get back the what the OP started this thread about, her questions about SET Yorkies and her search of a new puppy. IMO, this needs to be dropped. But if you need further clarification please feel free to PM me.

Nicole, I am very sorry that this seems to be some huge misinterpretation on the part of LM. My thoughts regarding what transpired were not meant to provoke this back and forth dialogue and it's my hope it has been sucessfullly address or be taken to PMs if necessary.

I do not believe that I misunderstood anything & is why I publicly gave permission for Admin or Mod's to access my PM's

[kjc]

Just a note: Many members choose to read threads and not to post, so just bc someone hasn't posted in years doesn't mean they are not 'here'. But I'm sure you all know that.

[NicoleNYC]

Originally Posted by gemy

Okay back to the OP's question vs a vs Breeders.

One thing that could work, is if you have someone you know that lives nearby to a breeder that you are interested in; they could visit the breeder, and see the sires and dams.

Another I like to ask for is the Breeder's Vet Reference, and do follow-up on that reference. I would ask the vet specific questions on what tests she does on her breeding pairs. For example even though my vet is not qualified to do CERF, Razzle's cerf certification is kept on file with him, as well as OFA certification on hips, Thyroid, etc. I would ask the vet in his opinion do her breeding dams/sire, meet the standard in terms of structure, coat, color, etc. I would ask the vet about the temperament of her dogs. I would ask the vet how long she has been a client, and does she bring in any of her other breeds to him? This is a sneaker quesiton, because if she hasn't disclosed to you all her breeds that she breeds then,......

On the subject of Contracts: it would be of benefit to you the purchaser, prior to signing a contract to run it past your lawyer. You truly do want to understand your rights under this contract.

And on a side note' I'd never accept a pup that has been spayed prematurely. Or agree to a condition that a pup MUST be spayed prior to 12months. There can be some medical conditions that prevent you from fulfilling that part of the contract. And it is up to me and my Vet to determine the most appropriate time for spaying/neutering

On that note, what is generally the best time to spay a puppy? I read 6 months, as long as the puppy is over 3lbs. I feel like anytime before that might be too early.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by kjc

Just a note: Many members choose to read threads and not to post, so just bc someone hasn't posted in years doesn't mean they are not 'here'. But I'm sure you all know that.

That is exactly why we need to give correct information when it comes to the forum. Many members never post but read daily and have been members for many years, but many people do not realize this goes on. Glad that you can see what I was trying to point out to lillymae and was so misconstrued and misinterpreted on her part.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by NicoleNYC

On that note, what is generally the best time to spay a puppy? I read 6 months, as long as the puppy is over 3lbs. I feel like anytime before that might be too early.

There will be wide opinions on this. My vet spays and neuters at 6 months of age.

[NicoleNYC]

Originally Posted by 107barney

There will be wide opinions on this. My vet spays and neuters at 6 months of age.

It seems like 6 months seems to be common (after reading many threads about this on this forum) so it did seem strange that SET Yorkies spays before they ship (at 15-20 weeks). If you spay/neuter before the hormones have the chance to have effect on the puppies development, it can be an issue.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by NicoleNYC

It seems like 6 months seems to be common (after reading many threads about this on this forum) so it did seem strange that SET Yorkies spays before they ship (at 15-20 weeks). If you spay/neuter before the hormones have the chance to have effect on the puppies development, it can be an issue.

Yes, in today's world, this seems early to spay. However, it's not always the case. In shelters everywhere in the northeast dogs are spayed very early. My first female yorkie was spayed at 4 months old and my male at 12 weeks old. Nowadays, 6 mos seems to be the norm.

[Yorkiexpress]

Originally Posted by 107barney

There will be wide opinions on this. My vet spays and neuters at 6 months of age.

Exactly...I do not like to spay until after the first heat......only because my female Scarlett was spayed at 10 months of age....she never had a first heat...a year later she came into full blown heat..so after she went thru that she had to be re spayed....when they did that he found a small piece of her ovary..just enough to throw her into a heat....he explained to me that had she gone thru a full heat prior the chances of that happening would have been slimmer....Isabella was never spayed as she never had a true heat cycle, just swelling but no spotting, but did have a false pregnancy. Sadly though Isabella was diagnosed with GME at 14 months of age and died at 17 months for the GME.
My boys (Shih Tzu's) are neutered at 9 to 10 months of age...and both are still squatters...

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by NicoleNYC

It seems like 6 months seems to be common (after reading many threads about this on this forum) so it did seem strange that SET Yorkies spays before they ship (at 15-20 weeks). If you spay/neuter before the hormones have the chance to have effect on the puppies development, it can be an issue.

Personally, I would not like my breeder dictating an age to spay/neuter or doing so prior to purchase at such a young age. The only time that I think this would be remotely acceptable is in a Rescue situation. Even then I know some rescues will either keep the puppy until they are old enough or require proof when they reach an acceptable age. My Doodlebug was a puppy and after a background check I was approved with the condition of neutering with proof. He was neutered right over the 6 months mark when he reached 5 lbs.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by NicoleNYC

It seems like 6 months seems to be common (after reading many threads about this on this forum) so it did seem strange that SET Yorkies spays before they ship (at 15-20 weeks). If you spay/neuter before the hormones have the chance to have effect on the puppies development, it can be an issue.

Juvenile spaying IS an issue. And at 15-20 wks they are juvenile.

And there will be a widely varying opinions on this. My opinion is outside the norm for this forum, but it is I believe an informed one, and one that honors my belief in giving each pup the chance to mature to their full boney potential

I will not spay a dog before the growth plates close and research indicates this is at 12-14mths month' which is probably a safe timeframe for the toy breeds. And actually there is no guesswork involved, one lateral view of the tibial plate done by Xray can tell the vet if that growth plate has closed and if it has then as this is the last growth plate to close all others have.

[NicoleNYC]

Originally Posted by gemy

Juvenile spaying IS an issue. And at 15-20 wks they are juvenile.

And there will be a widely varying opinions on this. My opinion is outside the norm for this forum, but it is I believe an informed one, and one that honors my belief in giving each pup the chance to mature to their full boney potential

I will not spay a dog before the growth plates close and research indicates this is at 12-14mths month' which is probably a safe timeframe for the toy breeds. And actually there is no guesswork involved, one lateral view of the tibial plate done by Xray can tell the vet if that growth plate has closed and if it has then as this is the last growth plate to close all others have.

Do yorkies usually retain teeth? So would I have to get them pulled on one date and then spayed on another? I was hoping to kill two birds with one stone in terms of anesthesia use.