SET Yorkies

[Yorkiexpress]

Originally Posted by NicoleNYC

Do yorkies usually retain teeth? So would I have to get them pulled on one date and then spayed on another? I was hoping to kill two birds with one stone in terms of anesthesia use.

Some and some don't...but yes its best to do them both at the same time...

[NicoleNYC]

Originally Posted by Yorkiexpress

Some and some don't...but yes its best to do them both at the same time...

I thought so. I don't want to put the pup under too much stress. With the dogs being so small, even a small dose of anesthesia is a lot I assume :/

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by lillymae

I do not believe that I misunderstood anything & is why I publicly gave permission for Admin or Mod's to access my PM's

You are publicly grandstanding-without a true cause. Your comments etc., are out of context at this point. You are not rendering an opinion or giving advice, you are taking this thread completely off topic and without any justification. You do not have a pup from SET and you have no experience with them, from what I can tell you haven't researched them either, as I did, and I rendered my opinion and advice based on it -AS THE OP requested.

So exactly why are you choosing this platform to defend someone that you have not even rendered an opinion on. (statement not a question). Not only that but you are asking Mod or Admin to dive in to personal P.M.'S? Seriously, this is ludicrous, to tell a Mod or Admin to do so to defend yourself against an unknown perceived threat is silly and very much over the line.

Remember this site is owned and operated by Admin (gratefully) because he wants to, not because he has to and he does so always in an unbiased way, as do the mods, their restraint is amazing. It is my belief that most members wether Donators, Yackers, Admin or Mods are all here because of our genuine love for the breed. On YT it is all about the YORKIES and not about personal feelings, and I am sure there are many times that there is dialogue posted that Mods and Admin don't agree with but they adhere to the rules and guidelines that allow each of us to have a voice so that others may be educated, on the left and the right, to ultimately select the road that leads them to not just own a Yorkie but to further the cause for the ethical breeding and treatment of all Yorkies and animals.

Nicole, all any of us want is to give you the tools to help you do what is right for the pup you select and the breed as a whole, and to enlighten you so that you can also become educated to the "Yorkie Cause" (and all pups...because if just one person is spared the pain that my pup and my family has been enduring the last 7 years, its worth it for me; If one person joins in to refuse to support puppymills, BROKERS and petshops...its worth it to me....

Good Luck Nicole I hope you do the right thing for you and your pup!

[kjc]

My quote refers to this post:

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Wow you must be psychic, you haven't posted in 9 months and suddenly your here! How nice.

Hi I'm Lynn I saw your last thread and your last post from 9 months ago, how is your pup doing?

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...tand-walk.html

Quote:
kjc: Just a note: Many members choose to read threads and not to post, so just bc someone hasn't posted in years doesn't mean they are not 'here'. But I'm sure you all know that.

I did not make a reference bc I thought it was obvious...

Originally Posted by megansmomma

That is exactly why we need to give correct information when it comes to the forum. Many members never post but read daily and have been members for many years, but many people do not realize this goes on. Glad that you can see what I was trying to point out to lillymae and was so misconstrued and misinterpreted on her part.

As for PMs, you think she did, she says she didn't, what's there to misconstrue or misinterpret? So, no, I do not see what you were trying to point out to LM.

BTW: The person who owns a SET puppy did post updates to her thread in S&I... at least two saying the pup was fine after seeing the vet.


As for spaying/neutering puppies, I agree with Gemy.... unless the owner cannot keep the pup separated from other dogs should the female go into heat.

[Wylie's Mom]

My apologies to the OP for this off topic post. However, it looks like there is some confusion about PMs, and this should be clarified.

Moderators do NOT have access to read anyone's PMs; we just don't allow those permissions and never have - there really is no reason for Mods needing access either. IF someone reports a PM (hits the report icon inside their actual PM message), then that message (and that message only) is forwarded to Admin/Mods -- exactly like a how 'reported post' is forwarded to us. We don't go into your actual PM Box to read the reported PM - the single reported PM is emailed to us so we can take a look.

There is only 1 Admin who has permission to access PMs, and that is the owner of YT. The *only* time the Admin would access a person's PM Inbox is if a member is claiming some major harassment, and it requires the Admin to evaluate several PMs.

[107barney]

OP, one more thing to know about spaying and neutering: I borrow this from the ASPCA...

"No conclusive controlled studies have ever been done to determine the best age to neuter dogs and cats. On the other hand, current research does show that spaying before the first heat prevents the development of mammary gland tumors."

[Yorkiexpress]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

You are publicly grandstanding-without a true cause. Your comments etc., are out of context at this point. You are not rendering an opinion or giving advice, you are taking this thread completely off topic and without any justification. You do not have a pup from SET and you have no experience with them, from what I can tell you haven't researched them either, as I did, and I rendered my opinion and advice based on it -AS THE OP requested.

So exactly why are you choosing this platform to defend someone that you have not even rendered an opinion on. (statement not a question). Not only that but you are asking Mod or Admin to dive in to personal P.M.'S? Seriously, this is ludicrous, to tell a Mod or Admin to do so to defend yourself against an unknown perceived threat is silly and very much over the line.

Remember this site is owned and operated by Admin (gratefully) because he wants to, not because he has to and he does so always in an unbiased way, as do the mods, their restraint is amazing. It is my belief that most members wether Donators, Yackers, Admin or Mods are all here because of our genuine love for the breed. On YT it is all about the YORKIES and not about personal feelings, and I am sure there are many times that there is dialogue posted that Mods and Admin don't agree with but they adhere to the rules and guidelines that allow each of us to have a voice so that others may be educated, on the left and the right, to ultimately select the road that leads them to not just own a Yorkie but to further the cause for the ethical breeding and treatment of all Yorkies and animals.

Nicole, all any of us want is to give you the tools to help you do what is right for the pup you select and the breed as a whole, and to enlighten you so that you can also become educated to the "Yorkie Cause" (and all pups...because if just one person is spared the pain that my pup and my family has been enduring the last 7 years, its worth it for me; If one person joins in to refuse to support puppymills, BROKERS and petshops...its worth it to me....

Good Luck Nicole I hope you do the right thing for you and your pup!

Very well said....and it really does not matter where or from whom you get your puppy from....it is your choice to make.....I have had BYB Yorkies that lived to be 15 yrs old and also had a Yorkie who came from half way around the world from one of the best known show breeders kennels around Italy....its all a crap shoot anymore.....I am just saying there are no guarantee's on health....................anything can happen.....its what the breeder does after it happens is what sets the reputation of the breeder. Within the last 1.5 years I have lost 3 yorkies to unusual circumstances....Scarlett at 8 yrs of age on 2/2/10 to Thrombocytopenia, she came from an excellent show breeder in Oregon..she was never sick a day in her life....she died within 48 hrs of onset..then we lost Rhett 65 days after Scarlett, he did have a Collapsed Trachea, but that is not what he died from, he clearly died of a broken heart due to the loss of his sister....he was 7 yrs old.......then in August 2011 we lost Isabella to GME at the age of 17 months...she came from a very well known European breeder in Italy...tons of champions in her lines....and no known genetic problems....I am about to get my new Yorkie boy...............scared??? heck yes I am scared.....have I done research.....oh yea....but all the research in the world can't guarantee nothing will happen....
Nicole I wish you the best of luck in finding the perfect Yorkie for you.

[NicoleNYC]

Originally Posted by 107barney

OP, one more thing to know about spaying and neutering: I borrow this from the ASPCA...

"No conclusive controlled studies have ever been done to determine the best age to neuter dogs and cats. On the other hand, current research does show that spaying before the first heat prevents the development of mammary gland tumors."

Thank you! My goal is to make the healthiest and most beneficial decision for my pup

[lillymae]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

My apologies to the OP for this off topic post. However, it looks like there is some confusion about PMs, and this should be clarified.

Moderators do NOT have access to read anyone's PMs; we just don't allow those permissions and never have - there really is no reason for Mods needing access either. IF someone reports a PM (hits the report icon inside their actual PM message), then that message (and that message only) is forwarded to Admin/Mods -- exactly like a how 'reported post' is forwarded to us. We don't go into your actual PM Box to read the reported PM - the single reported PM is emailed to us so we can take a look.

There is only 1 Admin who has permission to access PMs, and that is the owner of YT. The *only* time the Admin would access a person's PM Inbox is if a member is claiming some major harassment, and it requires the Admin to evaluate several PMs.

Ann, I am forwarding the PM to you now.

[NicoleNYC]

Originally Posted by Yorkiexpress

Very well said....and it really does not matter where or from whom you get your puppy from....it is your choice to make.....I have had BYB Yorkies that lived to be 15 yrs old and also had a Yorkie who came from half way around the world from one of the best known show breeders kennels around Italy....its all a crap shoot anymore.....I am just saying there are no guarantee's on health....................anything can happen.....its what the breeder does after it happens is what sets the reputation of the breeder. Within the last 1.5 years I have lost 3 yorkies to unusual circumstances....Scarlett at 8 yrs of age on 2/2/10 to Thrombocytopenia, she came from an excellent show breeder in Oregon..she was never sick a day in her life....she died within 48 hrs of onset..then we lost Rhett 65 days after Scarlett, he did have a Collapsed Trachea, but that is not what he died from, he clearly died of a broken heart due to the loss of his sister....he was 7 yrs old.......then in August 2011 we lost Isabella to GME at the age of 17 months...she came from a very well known European breeder in Italy...tons of champions in her lines....and no known genetic problems....I am about to get my new Yorkie boy...............scared??? heck yes I am scared.....have I done research.....oh yea....but all the research in the world can't guarantee nothing will happen....
Nicole I wish you the best of luck in finding the perfect Yorkie for you.

That is so sad I just want to try and find a breeder with healthy and reputable practices, not necessarily a show breeder as I plan to have my puppy as a pet, not as a show dog. With that being said, I created this thread to try and figure out other opinions on a breeder that was not necessarily on the YTCA website but that seemed to be very well-educated on the breed. Now I am confused as to where to look

[107barney]

Originally Posted by NicoleNYC

That is so sad I just want to try and find a breeder with healthy and reputable practices, not necessarily a show breeder as I plan to have my puppy as a pet, not as a show dog. With that being said, I created this thread to try and figure out other opinions on a breeder that was not necessarily on the YTCA website but that seemed to be very well-educated on the breed. Now I am confused as to where to look

That's correct Nicole. Selecting a YTCA breeder does not necessarily mean you will get a healthy dog. I did, and my dog has epilepsy. The same can be said of show breeders. It's hard to find a good breeder, and sometimes, your dog picks you, like mine did. Show breeders are having their dogs measured against the competition, not just for beauty, but for soundness of structure etc. This prevents them from getting "kennel eye" which happens when they think their dogs are perfect specimens. But, politics do enter into small circles and objectivity becomes subjectivity. But, I digress......Anyway, there are some breeders who've been breeding a long time, and know their lines in and out, and you can't dig up a lick of bad news on them, and I think they are doing something right too. You have to find the person you think you will be supported by, and who will be there with you, and sometimes, you find that person only to learn you didn't find that person.

There is no perfect answer.

[kjc]

Originally Posted by NicoleNYC

That is so sad I just want to try and find a breeder with healthy and reputable practices, not necessarily a show breeder as I plan to have my puppy as a pet, not as a show dog. With that being said, I created this thread to try and figure out other opinions on a breeder that was not necessarily on the YTCA website but that seemed to be very well-educated on the breed. Now I am confused as to where to look

Best place to go is with a show breeder and get a pet quality puppy (one that won't make it in the show ring). That's where the best pet quality dogs come from.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by kjc

My quote refers to this post:



Quote:
kjc: Just a note: Many members choose to read threads and not to post, so just bc someone hasn't posted in years doesn't mean they are not 'here'. But I'm sure you all know that.

I did not make a reference bc I thought it was obvious...



As for PMs, you think she did, she says she didn't, what's there to misconstrue or misinterpret? So, no, I do not see what you were trying to point out to LM.

BTW: The person who owns a SET puppy did post updates to her thread in S&I... at least two saying the pup was fine after seeing the vet.


As for spaying/neutering puppies, I agree with Gemy.... unless the owner cannot keep the pup separated from other dogs should the female go into heat.

1. Lillymae said she msged the banned member and it was a coincedense. I've agreed 10 ways to Sunday~why is this still being argued
2. The owner of the dog is now
3. She can't come back because she is and the reason will never be known.

Originally Posted by lillymae

Ann, I am forwarding the PM to you now.

For what purpose? See point #1 above, #2 and #3 above.

[kjc]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

1. Lillymae said she msged the banned member and it was a coincedense. I've agreed 10 ways to Sunday~why is this still being argued
2. The owner of the dog is now
3. She can't come back because she is and the reason will never be known.



For what purpose? See point #1 above, #2 and #3 above.

I Win!








Oops! Wrong thread, sorry!

[NicoleNYC]

Originally Posted by 107barney

That's correct Nicole. Selecting a YTCA breeder does not necessarily mean you will get a healthy dog. I did, and my dog has epilepsy. The same can be said of show breeders. It's hard to find a good breeder, and sometimes, your dog picks you, like mine did. Show breeders are having their dogs measured against the competition, not just for beauty, but for soundness of structure etc. This prevents them from getting "kennel eye" which happens when they think their dogs are perfect specimens. But, politics do enter into small circles and objectivity becomes subjectivity. But, I digress......Anyway, there are some breeders who've been breeding a long time, and know their lines in and out, and you can't dig up a lick of bad news on them, and I think they are doing something right too. You have to find the person you think you will be supported by, and who will be there with you, and sometimes, you find that person only to learn you didn't find that person.

There is no perfect answer.

I agree 100%. Buying a dog from a breeder does not necessarily mean that they will be healthy. My Shih Tzu was bought from a pet store over 16 years ago, and she has had absolutely no health issues to this date (other than simply being old and less active because of it). However, with the new information I have discovered about puppy mills, I know it's best to take my business elsewhere as I do NOT want to support such horrible conditions and practices by buying a puppy from a pet store. So yes, I know there is no telling the health of the dog, as there is always the possibility of something going wrong. I just wish they could all live long, healthy lives