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10-29-2011, 09:46 AM | #1 |
Senior Yorkie Talker | Why is this? So, I was just thinking about something today and Id like to hear others' opinions on the subject. I believe in rescuing. I also believe in buying from a respected breeder. However, more than once I have known people that wanted to adopt or rescue and were turned down so many times that they bought from a breeder. A lot of times they will not adopt out to military homes. I've known a couple that couldn't adopt bc they were told they weren't married, and lived in an apartment. I understand all the questions and regulations to a point. But part of me feels like shelters and rescue groups make it too difficult to rescue. But then get angry when those people that tried to rescue go out and buy from a breeder. The military part irritates me most. Yes, we move often, but not all of us abandon our pets. Most of us think of them as family and truly couldn't live day to day w/o them. There are those who give them up when they move. I also don't think its right to not allow a soldier to adopt bc he may get deployed at some point. So, this person that fights for our freedom and risks their life for us can't own a pet and be responsible? A lot of our soldiers benifit greatly from the therapy a pet can provide. Personally, I know we would never leave one of our pets behind. Where we go, they go. And we rnt the only ones. I just feel that shelters and rescue groups make it very difficult for some. |
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10-29-2011, 09:52 AM | #2 |
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| I adopted a German Shepard from a rescue when I came back from the military. My mother was home alone with my two brothers on 1 1/2 acres of property. They gave me a hard time because I was a soldier, but eventually I got them to let me have him.
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10-29-2011, 10:01 AM | #3 |
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| I guess it just depends on the Rescue Group. I know my 1st 3 I adopted, we were still in the Army. Yes they did the Vet check and did a home visit as well. Never once was I told no because we were military. Our babies have always gone where ever we went. I had always told my hubby if we were ever stationed where they had to be quaratined, he could do the tour alone as I wouldn't subject my babies to that. We are retired Military after 22 years. But helping in rescue myuself, I know all too often that military members are not always the way I was, which is sad, as it is a bad rap to those that would do anything for their babies.
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10-29-2011, 10:10 AM | #4 |
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| I know whatever they do is done with the best interest of the dog - I know that much about rescue and worked in it myself when I was able. These people put all that they are and all that they have into rescuing and helping dogs and they probably have pretty good stats on which homes dogs tend to live with longer and more successfully so I trust their decisions. I don't like them all the time - such as my sister, she is older and blind and rescue will not allow her to have a dog. I don't like it but I fully understand it. She eventually did get a rescue from the pound and a dog never had a better, more pampered home 99% of the time - but there are issues that I can see would not be there if her dog were living elsewhere. I myself would probably be hardpressed to say that a dog living with her is living its best life and so can well understand rescue's position, especially with a small toy-sized dog. Military families often have very young children and are moving/relocating a lot - not the best life for some dogs. I can understand that some rescues are reluctant to place a dog in that home when they think there might be a more-suited, better one coming up. But since the rescuers are the ones putting forth all of that effort, time, blood, sweat and tears - and money, their decisions have to be given the greatest weight and understanding. I have to go with what they say on decisions about where to place the dogs they give so much of themselves to every single hour of every single day, year after year.
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10-29-2011, 10:33 AM | #5 |
Senior Yorkie Talker | When it comes to a rescue group I am more understanding. Especially the no kill ones. What I am mostly talking about is high kill shelters that make it incredibly difficult to adopt. However even with rescue groups I disagree fully with giving military families a hard time. I do understand their position in some instances but not that one. I'm not sure what having young children has to do with being allowed to adopt. I agree that yes, not all military families think the way some of us do. They will give their pets up simply bc its easier to move and travel w/o them. But I don't think that label should be put on all of us. Most of us with deployed spouses really rely on our pets for comfort and to get through tough days. I love my Bentley. Before him I did try to adopt and was turned down by high kill shelters bc we are military and don't own our own home. I'm assuming this isn't the case everywhere but the fact that its like that anywhere upsets me. I guess in my case it was meant to be bc now we have Bentley. I greatly respect those in rescue and their opinions. Just bc I respect them doesn't mean I agree with everything they say and do. When it comes to military things I tend to lean more towards it than anything else. Bc I've been a military dependent for 22 years. As a daughter and now as a wife. We always had pets. And I feel military deserve the same opportunity to adopt as the est of the population. And I believe military soldiers coming home from fighting truly benifit from the love a pet can offer. They shouldn't have any trouble adopting or rescuing. Questions about where the dog will go while on deployment or if you are stationed elsewhere are acceptable and very understandable. But to flat out say no once you have said military or base housing, is wrong IMO. |
10-29-2011, 10:39 AM | #6 |
Senior Yorkie Talker | Again, I know its not this way everywhere. And I am so grateful for all the wonderful people that are involved in rescue. I know that the number one priority is to give the animal they have saved the best life possible. But military and their families deserve to be treated on a case by case basis. We aren't all the same. Especially when it comes to our pets. |
10-29-2011, 10:59 AM | #7 |
2+2=4 X the Love ♥ Donating Member | I totaly agree with rescues when it comes to screening potential new families for rescued animals. Some who have been through rough times and have not been cared for properly. If only we could all be so vigilant in finding the perfect home setting. A home visit or even a back round check would be great, but not practical. I'a sure that the goal of the rescue group it to only save the animal from suffering any more pain and misfortune if the family does not work out for whatever reason that may be. It should be a forever home not a just until I get tired of you home or a I cant afford you any more or I have to move and cant keep you home. What I do not agree with is denning a family the right to adopt because they are military . . . That just does not make sense to me. If they meet ever other requirement than why ? There are worse situations that a rescue animal could end up in. I have family that are military that have pets, never had a problem. I have also sold my pups to military family who returned two years later to get another pup. I never had a second thought when it came to selling to a military family.
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10-29-2011, 12:06 PM | #8 |
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| I was initially turned down by multiple rescues for having children in my home. Oh well, I'd rather be turned down myself multiple times than see rescues get relaxed and dogs be put in jeopardy...I still look at the pic of one of the dogs I had been following her story, etc. In the end the rescue told me sorry 1)you don't live on our area and we insists dogs remain in our area, we do a home inspection prior to adoption, bring dogs to your home observe and we do follow ups, 2) you have children under 12 in your home or frequently in your home... First pic: Emma: She was a Parti Yorkie Maltese poodle mix from Yorkie small breed rescue in LA. Anyways a friend called me (from another animal rescue) she said there was a dog that had just come in it wasn't ready for adoption they weren't sure it would pass the behavioral test considering and they were out of fosters...I took a look at his pic online...about 4 days later I had my Scoobers.
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10-29-2011, 01:08 PM | #9 | |
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Rescues see a lot of things. People turning over their dogs for all kinds of reasons. If a particular rescue says "no kids", "no one living in a rental home", "no active duty military", then it's for a reason. We may not agree with it, but then we aren't the ones who deal with abandoned dogs on a regular basis. My best guess as to why a rescue or shelter would say no to military is due to the transient life style of most miltary families. What may be a stable living situation today with a home that allows dogs could very well be a different situation this time next year. My cousin has been moved cross county 3 times in 3 years due to her husband's duties. While we all want to believe that we are the exception to the rule, I can fully understand why a rescue/shelter might say "no thanks, we've heard that one before and it didn't work out so well..."
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10-29-2011, 02:03 PM | #10 |
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| About the military issue, I've seen it first hand. I volunteered at rescue before, when the war started we saw a ton of dogs and cats flow into rescue it was crazy! Tons of Craig's list posts-a few please foster for me now that was an awesome idea and how it should be. Then the National Guard was called to active duty-WOW the number of dogs and cats and any sort of pet you name it that was in immediate need-the pounds etc here do not take owner surrenders so the "strays" dumped were a major issue throughout California. **We ship small dogs up here as we have less of them and a higher demand for them.
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11-01-2011, 01:21 PM | #11 |
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| I've done rescue for many years and really I think that sometimes they were too strict. We have heard/seen it all and just want the best but sometimes you cant really analyze a person based on paper |
11-03-2011, 06:10 AM | #12 |
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| If you don't agree with a Rescue's policy, don't support them! I wouldn't give a dime to a rescue that didn't place with military or was against placement with families with kids, or those that live in an apartment. I, personally, think the policies of some are ridiculous and expect too much hoop jumping. Baring any extenuating special-needs circumstances, the criteria for placing a dog in your home shouldn't be greater than that for placing a child in your home.
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11-03-2011, 06:28 AM | #13 |
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| I don't think all rescue's deny all military applicants, but they certainly need to take into consideration that in some case's there is a chance the family may end up overseas, and this would NOT be the best situation for any animal. My sister in law lived on a military base and I can not tell you how often I saw pets being rehomed or even dropped at a local shelter, this is not to say EVERYONE did it but when moving or husbands deploying often times they had no choice. When placing a puppy/dog etc, they are trying to find the BEST forever homes for animals that have already been displace often times having multiple prior homes , so this would not be the ideal situation for any pet. When people get denied there are usually circumstances they fail to share with others, Young couple, no children ,not married in an apartment would certainly not be an ideal home , because statistic show that people break up, move , cant take care of an animal and baby and both are working full time. NOT IDEAL when you have another applicant who is home more then not, has a fenced in back yard, married and older children or children already moved out! Often times people have bad vet checks, ( missing appointments, no shots, no rabies etc... again not ideal. I think we have to remember that the animals in rescues need a secure home and they need to take all circumstances into consideration. Just My opinion!
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11-03-2011, 07:42 AM | #14 |
Senior Yorkie Talker | Of course we go overseas. Its our job. We don't leave our kids when we go and the majority I know don't leave their pets either. The ones who do would have found a way to not have them sooner or later military or not. To place an entire group of ppl in one category based on what a a few (a few considering how many military men and women there are) irresponsible ppl do isn't fair. Going overseas is not a reason to not allow someone to adopt. And it isn't not ideal for the pet to go. Military families get housing immediatly upon arriving if done properly, all our stuff is moved for free so we have money to move our family, including pets. All this is only IF you go overseas. Most time you choose your orders. That being said, I agree partly with everyone on this topic. Everyone has valid points. And from a rescues point of veiw I understand why they would be picky. I understand with children and I understand with looking at someones past pets to see if they deserve to rescue. I do believe that if someone can't adopt they will try to find other ways. Like byb and puppymills. If they are uninformed. I will stand my ground on military bc it isn't being in the military that makes a bad pet owner. Its being a bad pet owner and being irresponsible that makes a bad pet owner. And not all rescues turn military down. But not all military owners abandon their pets. One or two that do makes everyone look bad. |
11-03-2011, 07:53 AM | #15 |
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| This is the first I've ever heard of a kill shelter being picky. They're usually the cheapest place to adopt from, and the last ones to care where the dogs go. When I was trying to adopt a puppy from a city kill shelter I was denied, but not by the reasons you would normally hear. I was denied because they had purebred puppies and they were going to be auctioned off to the highest bidder. OP, from your last response it sounds like your in the military, is that right? You said not to judge all military by what some do, aren't you judging or putting together all rescues by what some do? It's been my experience that each rescue is different. Each shelter is different. Each adoption is different.
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