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Snow Yorkies · 12-24-2005, 11:48 PM

I too have begun my breeding program with quality Biewers and have been putting them in the show ring to prove this. I have done very well and have placed mine with their International and National Championships twice with two of these titles at different age groups. So, therefore I think I too have TRUE Biewer Yorkshires.

I have never denied that they are a breed of their own. I except that and I am very proud to represent that. But as I stated before and will hold strong to my convictions on this... They ALL came from one set of parents and that was of two yorkies... Blue and Gold master parents Darling of Friedheck and Fru Fru of Freidheck the mating of these two Yorkies produced the white, blue and gold yorkie... Selective breeding by the founder Mr Biewer in mutating the recessive pie-bald gene he developed the coloring we follow for this breed. BUT this was developed from a yorkie!!! It was just the genetic breeding of the pie bald carriers...So it is still a Yorkie. No evidence has been proven any other breed in the making of a Biewer standard so why all the sudden do we deny its hertiage.

All our Biewers have come from inline breeding and you are kidding yourself if you believe differently... When you start from one set of parents how can you NOT inline breed to set this standard... As more lines where introduced it was with the blues and golds... Otherwise HOW can there be so many lines already... I have five different lines myself.hummmm..... This is not rocket science here use common knowledge it is not hard to figure out.

You want to take out the Yorkshire fine go ahead and then you ARE NOT STAYING in the STANDARD... I have taken the liberty to attached the standard for this breed and it clearly states in the standard they are called Biewer Yorkshire a la Pom-Pon. Every German website I have looked at call them by their standard name ~~ Biewer Yorkshire. So why is this so hard to except.. it doesn't mean that they are not a breed of their own. Then I have to ask if they are not a Yorkie WHY is THEIR STANDARD that of a YORKIE with the exception of the color patterns and no alteration of the tail.(due to the fact it is part of their standard and German Law.)

I have had the privledge of my first Biewer litter which this breeding was Biewer Yorkshire to Biewer Yorkshire. Since, I have spent thousands to start my breeding program and see no reason to regress in my breeding program and I have no desires to put a recessive blue/ gold together either. Although this practice is still being done in Germany in their breeding programs. It was done in Mr. Biewers as well. On his runway of dogs that is on the net... It is not filled with JUST Biewer yorkshires but with yorkshires as well.

My last thought I leave with you is if Mr. Biewer DID NOT want them to be known as Yorkshires I think he would have just called them Biewers....

YorkieRini · 12-25-2005, 05:10 AM

Fantastic post..clear as crystal..I agree 100% regarding the history and the standard EXCEPT the standard for Biewer's weight is more than the Yorkies. and breeding Blue/Gold back into Biewers with my lines anyway. Agree to disagree ok?

I emailed you Susan and CCed Gayle.

Merry Christmas to everyone!
IRene

yorkiegal719 · 12-25-2005, 06:19 AM

Great post Sue! I think that you hit the nail on the head with that reply. Yes, I too think that they shouldn't be thought of as anything but Yorkies, because that is where they came from, and I do think that they should be in a class all by themselves. The only thing that I see that might happen is that breeders here will start adding blue and golds to the line, I know that some still do in Germany, but I think if you do your homework in your ancestries, you can obtain lines that are far enough apart not to have to do this. They have been bred for long enough now to be able to do that. I know that this is what good breeders strive for, and God willing, in the near future we will have enough different lines over here to start a very diverse gene pool so in a few years we will have a true, color intense, Biewer that we all could be proud of. Biewers are lovely dogs and I think that they should be given a true chance to prove themselves and not be lost in bad breeding.

I'm wishing everyone a Merry Christmas!...

YorkieRini · 12-25-2005, 06:53 AM

The only thing that I see that might happen is that breeders here will start adding blue and golds to the line, I know that some still do in Germany, but I think if you do your homework in your ancestries, you can obtain lines that are far enough apart not to have to do this. They have been bred for long enough now to be able to do that. I know that this is what good breeders strive for, and God willing, in the near future we will have enough different lines over here to start a very diverse gene pool so in a few years we will have a true, color intense, Biewer that we all could be proud of. Biewers are lovely dogs and I think that they should be given a true chance to prove themselves and not be lost in bad breeding.

I'm wishing everyone a Merry Christmas!...[/QUOTE]

Theresa! Nicely put. That's why I don't feel breeding b/g in the lines is neccesary not beneficial for the True Biewers. The Clydsdale Terrier is now extinct but they were part of the making of Yorkshire Terriers. If they weren't and we did breed them back with a Yorkshire Terrier it would be a mix. I know some lines are still potent and need to be standardized by adding b/g and that's fine, that's the breed still in the making. I think that needs to be left up to the German breeders that know ALL the lines and have been fine tuning this breed.

Stormy · 12-25-2005, 07:32 AM

My last thought I leave with you is if Mr. Biewer DID NOT want them to be known as Yorkshires I think he would have just called them Biewers....[/QUOTE]

Thank you very much, Sue....this is all very interesting and detailed information and shows you are obviously quite an expert on Bewier Yorkies., I will most surely stay in touch and send pics of the new puppies when they arrive. I feel much better about this after reading your reply.

Have a wonderful Holiday and again, thank you for taking the time to write your reply at such a busy time.

Stormy · 12-27-2005, 12:47 PM

Was wondering....would anyone have an interest in buying a Biewer male puppy which will be arriving here in NY from Germany in mid-january ?

Breeder would not ship one alone (good sign) so i had to get two shipped at same time.Since I already have 6 Yorkies I just cannot keep both of them ! Please contact me by PM or e mail if interested. Thank you.
lovesyorkies@earthlink.net

omichka · 12-27-2005, 01:32 PM

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12-24-2005, 11:48 PM	#121
Snow Yorkies Biewer Passionate Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southern AL Posts: 1,684	I too have begun my breeding program with quality Biewers and have been putting them in the show ring to prove this. I have done very well and have placed mine with their International and National Championships twice with two of these titles at different age groups. So, therefore I think I too have TRUE Biewer Yorkshires. I have never denied that they are a breed of their own. I except that and I am very proud to represent that. But as I stated before and will hold strong to my convictions on this... They ALL came from one set of parents and that was of two yorkies... Blue and Gold master parents Darling of Friedheck and Fru Fru of Freidheck the mating of these two Yorkies produced the white, blue and gold yorkie... Selective breeding by the founder Mr Biewer in mutating the recessive pie-bald gene he developed the coloring we follow for this breed. BUT this was developed from a yorkie!!! It was just the genetic breeding of the pie bald carriers...So it is still a Yorkie. No evidence has been proven any other breed in the making of a Biewer standard so why all the sudden do we deny its hertiage. All our Biewers have come from inline breeding and you are kidding yourself if you believe differently... When you start from one set of parents how can you NOT inline breed to set this standard... As more lines where introduced it was with the blues and golds... Otherwise HOW can there be so many lines already... I have five different lines myself.hummmm..... This is not rocket science here use common knowledge it is not hard to figure out. You want to take out the Yorkshire fine go ahead and then you ARE NOT STAYING in the STANDARD... I have taken the liberty to attached the standard for this breed and it clearly states in the standard they are called Biewer Yorkshire a la Pom-Pon. Every German website I have looked at call them by their standard name ~~ Biewer Yorkshire. So why is this so hard to except.. it doesn't mean that they are not a breed of their own. Then I have to ask if they are not a Yorkie WHY is THEIR STANDARD that of a YORKIE with the exception of the color patterns and no alteration of the tail.(due to the fact it is part of their standard and German Law.) I have had the privledge of my first Biewer litter which this breeding was Biewer Yorkshire to Biewer Yorkshire. Since, I have spent thousands to start my breeding program and see no reason to regress in my breeding program and I have no desires to put a recessive blue/ gold together either. Although this practice is still being done in Germany in their breeding programs. It was done in Mr. Biewers as well. On his runway of dogs that is on the net... It is not filled with JUST Biewer yorkshires but with yorkshires as well. My last thought I leave with you is if Mr. Biewer DID NOT want them to be known as Yorkshires I think he would have just called them Biewers.... __________________ Dare to Dream Biewers Charter Member of BAPPC

12-25-2005, 06:19 AM	#123
yorkiegal719 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 603	Great post Sue! I think that you hit the nail on the head with that reply. Yes, I too think that they shouldn't be thought of as anything but Yorkies, because that is where they came from, and I do think that they should be in a class all by themselves. The only thing that I see that might happen is that breeders here will start adding blue and golds to the line, I know that some still do in Germany, but I think if you do your homework in your ancestries, you can obtain lines that are far enough apart not to have to do this. They have been bred for long enough now to be able to do that. I know that this is what good breeders strive for, and God willing, in the near future we will have enough different lines over here to start a very diverse gene pool so in a few years we will have a true, color intense, Biewer that we all could be proud of. Biewers are lovely dogs and I think that they should be given a true chance to prove themselves and not be lost in bad breeding. I'm wishing everyone a Merry Christmas!... __________________ Theresa & The Boys +1 The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue

12-25-2005, 07:32 AM	#125
Stormy Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NY Posts: 438 Blog Entries: 2	My last thought I leave with you is if Mr. Biewer DID NOT want them to be known as Yorkshires I think he would have just called them Biewers....[/QUOTE] Thank you very much, Sue....this is all very interesting and detailed information and shows you are obviously quite an expert on Bewier Yorkies., I will most surely stay in touch and send pics of the new puppies when they arrive. I feel much better about this after reading your reply. Have a wonderful Holiday and again, thank you for taking the time to write your reply at such a busy time. __________________ STORMY Smokie,Bandit,Oliver,Katy and Frosty.Misty at the bridge :-([/COLOR] Wolf, my heart dog passed 2/6/10

12-27-2005, 12:47 PM	#126
Stormy Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NY Posts: 438 Blog Entries: 2	Biewer Yorkie Puppy Was wondering....would anyone have an interest in buying a Biewer male puppy which will be arriving here in NY from Germany in mid-january ? Breeder would not ship one alone (good sign) so i had to get two shipped at same time.Since I already have 6 Yorkies I just cannot keep both of them ! Please contact me by PM or e mail if interested. Thank you. lovesyorkies@earthlink.net __________________ STORMY Smokie,Bandit,Oliver,Katy and Frosty.Misty at the bridge :-([/COLOR] Wolf, my heart dog passed 2/6/10 Last edited by Stormy; 12-27-2005 at 12:51 PM.

12-25-2005, 05:10 AM	#122
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	Fantastic post..clear as crystal..I agree 100% regarding the history and the standard EXCEPT the standard for Biewer's weight is more than the Yorkies. and breeding Blue/Gold back into Biewers with my lines anyway. Agree to disagree ok? I emailed you Susan and CCed Gayle. Merry Christmas to everyone! IRene

12-25-2005, 06:53 AM	#124
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	The only thing that I see that might happen is that breeders here will start adding blue and golds to the line, I know that some still do in Germany, but I think if you do your homework in your ancestries, you can obtain lines that are far enough apart not to have to do this. They have been bred for long enough now to be able to do that. I know that this is what good breeders strive for, and God willing, in the near future we will have enough different lines over here to start a very diverse gene pool so in a few years we will have a true, color intense, Biewer that we all could be proud of. Biewers are lovely dogs and I think that they should be given a true chance to prove themselves and not be lost in bad breeding. I'm wishing everyone a Merry Christmas!...[/QUOTE] Theresa! Nicely put. That's why I don't feel breeding b/g in the lines is neccesary not beneficial for the True Biewers. The Clydsdale Terrier is now extinct but they were part of the making of Yorkshire Terriers. If they weren't and we did breed them back with a Yorkshire Terrier it would be a mix. I know some lines are still potent and need to be standardized by adding b/g and that's fine, that's the breed still in the making. I think that needs to be left up to the German breeders that know ALL the lines and have been fine tuning this breed.

12-27-2005, 01:32 PM	#127
omichka YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: *** Posts: 647	here we go.......... http://marketplace.nwsource.com/clas...cfm?id=8164078 more.......... http://images.google.com/images?q=Ge...=Search+Images