Biewer Dogs - Don't know how all of you feel.

[Pruett]

I am a little surprised to see the problem arising over the name of the "Biewer Yorkshire Terrier". The Biewer is a Yorkshire Terrier. It has been developed into a breed of it's own, but that does not exclude the fact that it is a Yorkie. It was not developed from Shepard's or Poodle's. The standard for the Biewer Yorkie is very simple-That of a Yorkshire Terrier except for the coloring. If you want to be really technical, for those of you that have Yorkies, if the back is not a dark steel blue, the Yorkie is not of the standard but it's still a Yorkie and just as beautiful. This is a young breed and it is going to take dedicated ethical breeders to perfect this doggie.
Are these dogs Schnauzers? They are not just called Miniatures, or Standards, or Giants.
Miniature Schnauzer - Standard Schnauzer - Giant Schnauzer.
If you look closely at the pedigrees of the Biewer Yorkies you will usually find a standard Yorkie in the blood line. When there is to much of the same blood lines being used, otherwise know as line breeding, then the breeding of Biewer Yorkie to Biewer Yorkie start to produce dog's with more white than any other color. This is not because it is a mix, it is do to poor breeding. The Biewer Yorkie is suppose to be 5 to 7 lbs. A lot of the Biewer's are getting up to 15 lbs. Not good. With a good breeding program, and time, we should be able to breed Biewer Yorkies to standard every time.
To address a statement made by YorkieRini. She says "That's why I HATE to see folks buying Biewers from brokers let a lone for breeding." I am with you on the buying from brokers, but didn't you buy Biewer's with the intent to breed?

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by Pruett

I am a little surprised to see the problem arising over the name of the "Biewer Yorkshire Terrier". The Biewer is a Yorkshire Terrier. It has been developed into a breed of it's own, but that does not exclude the fact that it is a Yorkie. It was not developed from Shepard's or Poodle's. The standard for the Biewer Yorkie is very simple-That of a Yorkshire Terrier except for the coloring. If you want to be really technical, for those of you that have Yorkies, if the back is not a dark steel blue, the Yorkie is not of the standard but it's still a Yorkie and just as beautiful. This is a young breed and it is going to take dedicated ethical breeders to perfect this doggie.
Are these dogs Schnauzers? They are not just called Miniatures, or Standards, or Giants.
Miniature Schnauzer - Standard Schnauzer - Giant Schnauzer.
If you look closely at the pedigrees of the Biewer Yorkies you will usually find a standard Yorkie in the blood line. When there is to much of the same blood lines being used, otherwise know as line breeding, then the breeding of Biewer Yorkie to Biewer Yorkie start to produce dog's with more white than any other color. This is not because it is a mix, it is do to poor breeding. The Biewer Yorkie is suppose to be 5 to 7 lbs. A lot of the Biewer's are getting up to 15 lbs. Not good. With a good breeding program, and time, we should be able to breed Biewer Yorkies to standard every time.
To address a statement made by YorkieRini. She says "That's why I HATE to see folks buying Biewers from brokers let a lone for breeding." I am with you on the buying from brokers, but didn't you buy Biewer's with the intent to breed?

I did buy with the intent to breed but not from or through a broker or anyone else. Not sure how you took my comment but it's bad enough buying a pet from a broker let alone a Biewer to start a breeding program.

Well if you continue to introduce the standard colored Yorkies to the Biewers you are mixing the 2 breeds. I haven't seen the standard or the history stated that the Biewer should be bred back to blue and gold Yorkies. Doing that is ruining the chance to creat their own breed. For them to be accepted as a Yorkie you need the support of the YTCA, and I don't see that happening.

The Biewers I have do not have B/G coloring in their pedigrees from what I can see and mine go back 4 generations. They are beautiful, flashy and vibrant in color. There is no need to breed to b/g, if I do who knows what I would get. My Biewers (all 6) are beautifully marked.

Welcome to Yorkie Talk by the way.

Irene

[Pruett]

Hi Irene, If your dogs come from the Friedheck line they would have to have the standard Yorkie color. True Biewers come from the Friedheck Yorkies. What are some of your blood lines.

[Yorkie Mum]

Well let me see if a little blonde farm girl can figure this out????

You got Holstein you know Black and White milk cows and well they can be pure breed and registered to the Holstein groups and man can they cost big money.
Well sometime them their Black and White cows get breed and some time they just pops out a red and white and man on man that sure is not a OK and you can not register them even if they are from registered Black and White parents.
Well now some people are getting really tired of those Black and White owners not letting them register them there red ones and they started their own group or reds only.
Sound familiar.
JMO but a breiwer is Yorkie in a different Coat colour as long as there is a direct line back to a blue and tan Yorkie that tossed a strange colour once upon a time and no other breed but yorkie is added in along the way.

Now I could be way off base as I am still trying to figure this all out too.

Joy

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by Pruett

Hi Irene, If your dogs come from the Friedheck line they would have to have the standard Yorkie color. True Biewers come from the Friedheck Yorkies. What are some of your blood lines.

What do you mean if? All Biewers come for the Friedheck line. My lines are very well bred. I am fortunate to have lines that are of the more developed standard. Friedheck is not in my 4 generation pedigree, they are back there but the lines I have chosen are already well established TRUE Biewer lines. I don't need to introduce the b/g. I will continue to breed my Biewers to the Biewer Standard.

If you feel the need to breed B/G to your Biewers that tells me your colors have not been established and you are still working with the inbreeding and closeline breeding. That's not something I am interested it. I am not the expert, I prefer to work with a good mold and go from there. I have enough outcrossing in my lines.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by Yorkie Mum

Well let me see if a little blonde farm girl can figure this out????

You got Holstein you know Black and White milk cows and well they can be pure breed and registered to the Holstein groups and man can they cost big money.
Well sometime them their Black and White cows get breed and some time they just pops out a red and white and man on man that sure is not a OK and you can not register them even if they are from registered Black and White parents.
Well now some people are getting really tired of those Black and White owners not letting them register them there red ones and they started their own group or reds only.
Sound familiar.
JMO but a breiwer is Yorkie in a different Coat colour as long as there is a direct line back to a blue and tan Yorkie that tossed a strange colour once upon a time and no other breed but yorkie is added in along the way.

Now I could be way off base as I am still trying to figure this all out too.

Joy

[YorkieRini]

I think we beat this horse dead if we are talking cows now..lololol

If anyone else wants to discuss this with me feel free to email me.
stellaryorkies@aol.com

Irene

[Pruett]

I am not saying that you have to breed to B/G. I said there is nothing wrong with it. What are your blood lines?? Now my TRUE BIEWER YORKIES have made their National and International Championships so I'd say they are the top of the line.

[Yorkie Mum]

Well I see the comparison was lost on you so lets try this again

Yorkie/ Standard in my story equals and is a White and black Holstein ( which by the way this story is true and been a hard battle along before a breiwer graced the world.) and sometimes those Standard white and black Holsteins cows can throw a red or in your case of a Yorkie a tri colour or Briewer.
Those reds or the briewers are not seen as a Holstein cows or Yorkie by those that breed true to the breed but as we all know oops happen.
Well some cow breeders a while ago took a fancy to the reds and started their own group and are promoting them as Reds Holsteins not a breiwer one but what they are which is a different colored Holstein.
Just like some have taken a fancy to the beiwers and are trying to make them their own breed.
Breiwers in JMO are if straight back their blood lines are yorkies no other breed added in for colour or size or shape differences are Yorkies in a differnt coat.

Joy

[shelbysmom]

Originally Posted by Yorkie Mum

Well I see the comparison was lost on you so lets try this again

Yorkie/ Standard in my story equals and is a White and black Holstein ( which by the way this story is true and been a hard battle along before a breiwer graced the world.) and sometimes those Standard white and black Holsteins cows can throw a red or in your case of a Yorkie a tri colour or Briewer.
Those reds or the briewers are not seen as a Holstein cows or Yorkie by those that breed true to the breed but as we all know oops happen.
Well some cow breeders a while ago took a fancy to the reds and started their own group and are promoting them as Reds Holsteins not a breiwer one but what they are which is a different colored Holstein.
Just like some have taken a fancy to the beiwers and are trying to make them their own breed.
Breiwers in JMO are if straight back their blood lines are yorkies no other breed added in for colour or size or shape differences are Yorkies in a differnt coat.

Joy

I get what you are saying but I think the Red Cows are seen as Holstein Cows, just not the proper or standard or ideal color. it happens, they are Holsteins, they just can't be called good specimens of the breed.

But...Mr. Biewer took an attractive "defect" and made it a new breed. Is that okay?

Beats the heck out of me? I would really like to know if any other "breeds" started this way.

[gymbo68]

OK...Mr Ignorant here....can someone help me with this name phonically????

I am thinking it is buy-ah-wer...(would be easier with sound)

Is that right?

[Yorkie Mum]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

I get what you are saying but I think the Red Cows are seen as Holstein Cows, just not the proper or standard or ideal color. it happens, they are Holsteins, they just can't be called good specimens of the breed.

But...Mr. Biewer took an attractive "defect" and made it a new breed. Is that okay?

Beats the heck out of me? I would really like to know if any other "breeds" started this way.

Beats the heck out of me too but I was trying to figure it out inside my frame of reference which was farming and breeding cows.
And so would I like to now if any other breeds started this way too.

Joy

[Pruett]

Originally Posted by gymbo68

OK...Mr Ignorant here....can someone help me with this name phonically????

I am thinking it is buy-ah-wer...(would be easier with sound)

Is that right?

Hi, The proper pronunciation is Beaver. Just like the little creatures that build dams. My Husband is German and all his family still live in Germany. There is no "W" sound in their language. It takes on the sound of a "V". Hope this helps you. It was very helpful when I started to get into the Biewer Yorkies. My family visited many kennels when looking for a breeder for us to deal with. I praise the Lord that they found Manuela.

[gymbo68]

Thanks...I appreciate it....I donot know anything about them but they sure are pretty dogs.....I kept reading thru here and wondering how to say the breed....Merry Christmas to all....

[Pruett]

Your welcome. Merry Christmas.