Biewer Dogs - Don't know how all of you feel.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by Stormy

Hi...I am importing a Biewer from Germany. Could you comment on the difference in their disposition from Yorkies and do you find that they fit in with and get along with several Yorkies in a family?

I sure would appreciate some information and advice. They are just so very pretty.

Well I feel they are much different than my Yorkies. My Yorkies are elegant, and very non-doggish. They seldom bark they all pee on pads they seldom chew and destroy.
My Biewers are opposite. They are more "dog" in perosonality. They chew, they kill ALL the squeakers in the toys, they dig, they jump gates, they have more accidents. They also seem to play more aggresively. My Yorkies and Biewers don't play together. So I see a huge difference. But my Biewers are not as timid as Yorkies can be. They love to be brushed and fussed over, my Yorkies run when they hear the water running..hahahaha..I love both! But there is a difference in the ones that I have.

Irene

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

Well I feel they are much different than my Yorkies. My Yorkies are elegant, and very non-doggish. They seldom bark they all pee on pads they seldom chew and destroy.
Irene

hehehe! You haven't met my Rebel, then! LOLOLOL!

[MasonsMommy]

Serious question here:

If a Breiwer isnt a yorkie what is it?
What is its mix?
I am not an expert obviously

[MasonsMommy]

Originally Posted by MasonsMommy

Serious question here:

If a Breiwer isnt a yorkie what is it?
What is its mix?
I am not an expert obviously

????Anyone????

[MasonsMommy]

The Biewer Yorkie was originally a piebald genetic recessive gene occurrence from 2 Yorkshire Terriers. It originated in Germany on January 20, 1984 from a breeding by Gertrude and Werner Biewer's Yorkshire Terriers. In this particular litter they produced a piebald Yorkie puppy from a genetic recessive gene. This piebald puppy's registered name was Schneefloeckchen von Friedheck ( Snowflake) Sire: Darling von Friedheck a FCI World Junior Champion in Dortmund in 1981 Dam: Fru-Fru von Friedheck a FCI World Junior Championess in Dortmund in 1981. Gertrude and Werner Biewer found this puppy to be quite beautiful and began a selective breeding process to produce more piebald puppies. Gertrude and Werner Biewer named these Yorkie with white markings "Biewer Yorkshire a la Pom Pon". It was from these breedings the Biewer Yorkie was developed. The breed was officially recognized in 1986 by the ACH

[MasonsMommy]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

Well I feel they are much different than my Yorkies. My Yorkies are elegant, and very non-doggish. They seldom bark they all pee on pads they seldom chew and destroy.
My Biewers are opposite. They are more "dog" in perosonality. They chew, they kill ALL the squeakers in the toys, they dig, they jump gates, they have more accidents. They also seem to play more aggresively. My Yorkies and Biewers don't play together. So I see a huge difference. But my Biewers are not as timid as Yorkies can be. They love to be brushed and fussed over, my Yorkies run when they hear the water running..hahahaha..I love both! But there is a difference in the ones that I have.

Irene

Ok...I have a Purebreed AKC yorkie...He chews all the squikers out of his toys and he also still has accidents in the house. Breiwers are Yorkies from the info I have gotten offline. They originated from 2 Purebred yorkies..
Just my opinion!

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by MasonsMommy

Ok...I have a Purebreed AKC yorkie...He chews all the squikers out of his toys and he also still has accidents in the house. Breiwers are Yorkies from the info I have gotten offline. They originated from 2 Purebred yorkies..
Just my opinion!

From what you described. My Yorkies are not similar to yours in personality. I was speaking from my experience, because I have both and can compare the 2. If you had my Biewers, you may say there is no difference.

They both originated from standard Yorkies but Biewers have their own standard now so they are NOT Yorkies. They are Biewers, if you read the history the intent in producing these was to create a separate breed and that's what they did. There is a standard now, every breed has a standard.

It would have been best to not add Yorkshire Terrier Ala Pom Pon on the end of the name.

Irene

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

hehehe! You haven't met my Rebel, then! LOLOLOL!

Well imagine 5 more of him running around..lolol.

My Yorkies are sooo opposite of my Biewers. Makes things interesting.

[Stormy]

[QUOTE=YorkieRini]Well I feel they are much different than my Yorkies. My Yorkies are elegant, and very non-doggish. They seldom bark they all pee on pads they seldom chew and destroy.
My Biewers are opposite. They are more "dog" in perosonality. They chew, they kill ALL the squeakers in the toys, they dig, they jump gates, they have more accidents. They also seem to play more aggresively. My Yorkies and Biewers don't play together. So I see a huge difference. But my Biewers are not as timid as Yorkies can be. They love to be brushed and fussed over, my Yorkies run when they hear the water running..hahahaha..I love both! But there is a difference in the ones that I have.

Thank you, Irene..these are very interesting comments and food for thought....
Of course my Yorkies are not as elegant as you describe yours since they are totally unruly,but now I wonder if it would be a mistake to add this beautiful baby to my 5 brats !!!
Thank you again. Your response was much appreciated.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS !

[YorkieRini]

Thank you, Irene..these are very interesting comments and food for thought....
Of course my Yorkies are not as elegant as you describe yours since they are totally unruly,but now I wonder if it would be a mistake to add this beautiful baby to my 5 brats !!!
Thank you again. Your response was much appreciated.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS ! [/QUOTE]

Don't let what I say effect your decision. This is just what I notice. It's not a problem..well, only when I wake up in the middle of the night to get a drink and I step on a warm "tootsie roll" that mysteriously ended up on the opposite side of the room from where the pads are..lololol.
Those days I feel like putting up a sign in my front yard.."Free Biewers!! Take one Get one Free!!!"..hahahahahah

I'm sure he'll fit right in with the others.

Hugs,
Irene

[shelbysmom]

Originally Posted by Gir & Bing

Well, arn't biewers just a yorkie with a chosen historical gene pool. Like the colors bred to make the dog have the main black coat bred to bre white. It's all the breeding process. It would probably take like 10 generations to make a yorkie into a biewer.

All kinds of questions about this? How do you take 2 Yorkies, breed them and come up with a different breed It seems like even Yorkie breeders and owners have differing opinions.
Following is the YTC info. It's on the FAQ (along with "teacup" info. They do not use the word Biewer but see color anamoly as not a good thing. pagehttp://www.ytca.org/faq.html#B

I think they are cute. I think parti Yorkies are cute. I think babydoll face Yorkies and tinies are cute. However, if we are talking about Yorkies and their standard we have to look at the YTC and their opinion.

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An Important Note About Color in Yorkshire Terriers
.
The most distinctive characteristic of an adult Yorkshire Terrier is its long blue
and tan silk coat. A puppy is born black and tan, but the only recognized colors for
adults when registering with AKC are blue and gold, blue and tan, black and gold,
or black and tan.
.
The AKC Breed Standard and YTCA Code of Ethics do not recognize any
other color dogs than noted above. This includes all gold, born blue, liver
(also known as red or chocolate), and parti-colors. One of the reasons for
avoiding breeding "off-colored" Yorkies is because it could be a genetic defect
that may affect the dog's health. Some health problems can include, but aren't
limited to, severe skin problems, allergies, total hair loss and in some cases
long-term illness and/or death.
.
A responsible breeder will not intentionally breed for undesirable traits.
On very rare occasions, a breeder will have a puppy born with a color anomaly.
That puppy should undergo careful health screenings before being placed in a
spay/neuter (non-breeding) home. A breeder should certainly never
promote these deviations as being desirable or rare.
.
There are many issues that potential Yorkie owners need to study before
purchasing their dog. We hope you will read the helpful information at this
website and make an informed decision. It could very possibly save you
aggravation, disappointment and expense. We wish you the best of luck
in your pursuit of a happy, healthyYorkshire Terrier.
Back to Top
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[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

All kinds of questions about this? How do you take 2 Yorkies, breed them and come up with a different breed It seems like even Yorkie breeders and owners have differing opinions.
Following is the YTC info. It's on the FAQ (along with "teacup" info. They do not use the word Biewer but see color anamoly as not a good thing. pagehttp://www.ytca.org/faq.html#B

I think they are cute. I think parti Yorkies are cute. I think babydoll face Yorkies and tinies are cute. However, if we are talking about Yorkies and their standard we have to look at the YTC and their opinion.

.
An Important Note About Color in Yorkshire Terriers
.
The most distinctive characteristic of an adult Yorkshire Terrier is its long blue
and tan silk coat. A puppy is born black and tan, but the only recognized colors for
adults when registering with AKC are blue and gold, blue and tan, black and gold,
or black and tan.
.
The AKC Breed Standard and YTCA Code of Ethics do not recognize any
other color dogs than noted above. This includes all gold, born blue, liver
(also known as red or chocolate), and parti-colors. One of the reasons for
avoiding breeding "off-colored" Yorkies is because it could be a genetic defect
that may affect the dog's health. Some health problems can include, but aren't
limited to, severe skin problems, allergies, total hair loss and in some cases
long-term illness and/or death.
.
A responsible breeder will not intentionally breed for undesirable traits.
On very rare occasions, a breeder will have a puppy born with a color anomaly.
That puppy should undergo careful health screenings before being placed in a
spay/neuter (non-breeding) home. A breeder should certainly never
promote these deviations as being desirable or rare.
.
There are many issues that potential Yorkie owners need to study before
purchasing their dog. We hope you will read the helpful information at this
website and make an informed decision. It could very possibly save you
aggravation, disappointment and expense. We wish you the best of luck
in your pursuit of a happy, healthyYorkshire Terrier.
Back to Top
.

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And some say the same about Yorkies. How can they be a breed when it took several different breeds to be mixed to create the Yorkie. Yorkshire Terriers are man made breed, just as are Biewers. A pure breed has a standard. WHen produced the majority of the offspring should follow the standard. BUT, because of unethical breeding practices you get some Biewers that are in correctly marked OR a throw back from the ancestors way back. Same with the Yorkies.

I have read the YTCA standards, I visit that site regularly to make sure I follow the ethics of breeding my Yorkies. My Biewers have nothing to do with the Yorkies now that they have a standard of their own. It's been 20 yrs since this new breed was started.

I know not everyone will agree with me and that's OK. Some that breed Biewers feel it's acceptable to breed to Yorkies. Now that's mixing 2 breeds.
I guess we have to agree to disagree.

Who knows what the future of the Biewer holds. But I am gonna take it upon myself to give them a fair shot following the rules and the standard. I also plan on showing my Biewers and doing obedience. They need stimulation, they are smart as a whip and super active. That's all I can do to help this breed!

Irene

[ukeka]

OOOOOHHHH BOY HERE WE GO AGAIN.... ???? Before this get Way UGLY ..like it always does .. i think this should be closed ???

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by ukeka

OOOOOHHHH BOY HERE WE GO AGAIN.... ???? Before this get Way UGLY ..like it always does .. i think this should be closed ???

Interesting you want this closed when you state you are wanting to be a member of the YT club in Ny and the American Biewer Club.

This conversation is going pretty well. I agree to disagree and leaving it at that.

[ukeka]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

Interesting you want this closed when you state you are wanting to be a member of the YT club in Ny and the American Biewer Club.

This conversation is going pretty well. I agree to disagree and leaving it at that.

All I am saying is that theres ALOT OF OPINIONS .. AND IT AWAYS SEEMS TO GET UGLY, ME WANTING TO BE A MEMBER OF ANYTHING SHOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I SAID ??? .. NONE THE LESS I hope that no-ones feelings get hurt, When there is so much passion in such a HOT topic ?? I hope I didn't offend ? if did I am sorry

Happy Holidays to you all