I am the worst mom ever

[Ringo1]

I have to side with the apparently unpopular, but overwhelming opinion that an emergency spay should be strongly considered. And I don't think I've ever posted that.

I try to picture my little 5 lb Lucy going through with a whelp with much larger puppies; I could not do that to my little Lucy. I would not risk her life.

Yes, accidents happen and no one has blamed you for that. But, now, you must step up and take care of your 5 lb little one. It's about HER and what's best for HER.

And, I must say, I believe that everyone has posted with remarkable restraint.

This would not be a hard decision for me - at all.

[JESSY_RN2B]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

She sure is a beauty......

Almost had a little girl for you.....one that was being kept for show and didn't work out....however, someone else was already in line....but, were kind of iffy....couldn't make up their mind on a maltese or yorkie.

Awww good choice they made chosing the yorkie!

Send me some baby pics of your furbutts so I get my "fix".

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Lizzie07

The above highlighted is definately a misnomer in the yorkie breed. The mother controls the size of the pup while in utero. That is if it is a yorkie to yorkie breeding. Now in this case the yorkie was bred to a much larger breed, the pups will be larger, no ands, ifs or buts.

In your statement of YT members being there to help with the whelp. Two thoughts on that. The OP came on asking for expert advice it was given, and I don't think the OP liked the advice. That being said, I'm not so sure assistance will be readily given with someone that is not receptive to advice.

See, there you go, the OP really needs to start doing a ton of research if she doesn't want to take any of the advice, and I will add well meaning advice, of the experienced breeders on this forum.

If she feels so convinced Bee will be okay, based on phone calls to 15 vets, then she should be doing the research to make sure that is the truth, especially when her pup's life is at risk.

I hate to think anyone would be so spiteful as to withhold help for this little dog because the OP didn't take their advice.[/QUOTE]

In some cases things may turn out ok and I pray Bee does come out ok. But, those that do make it ok, it's usually with an experienced, well prepared person overseeing the whelp. Bee's owner has fallen apart and made this all about herself. A good breeder anticipates and prepares for the worst and prays for the best. Crying and falling apart is not what Bee needs....she needs a strong owner that she can trust will make everything safe for her.

Bee was put into this unfortunate situation by not making the right choices for her to begin with. To insure she has a long healthy life, it'll take making the right choices for her from here on out.

I'm not sure if Bee's breeder would be very happy. But, if Bee was of my breeding and an unauthorized breeding took place (and this is within my contract along with a spay/nueter clause) I would be there to confiscate this little girl and I'd have her at the vets making sure that she had every opportunity for a continued healthy, happy life.

[laci32]

Honestly I can't see her giving birth to large puppies the mere thought makes me cringe. For her health and well being I would absolutly have her spayed . No question about it at all

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by JESSY_RN2B

Awww good choice they made chosing the yorkie!

Send me some baby pics of your furbutts so I get my "fix".

Now this little girl was from my Breeder's breeding....not mine and she only has boys left....I don't have any little furbutts running around at this time. I'm showing Delilah right now and she's 14 months of age....

[JESSY_RN2B]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

I love those blinking little eyes in your Avatar. First time I saw that out of the corner of my eye I jumped, then laughed out loud.

I am computer illeterate when it comes to that but a very nice YT member was nice enough to make the avatar and there you have it. I like the blinking too

[JESSY_RN2B]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Now this little girl was from my Breeder's breeding....not mine and she only has boys left....I don't have any little furbutts running around at this time. I'm showing Delilah right now and she's 14 months of age....

Ahhhh got ya

[lovespandp]

"I asked about getting her fixed when I took her to Petsmart I went to the vet in there(without an appointment) I just asked the questions about it & he said that she will be fine giving birth & that putting her to sleep for the spay would be more dangerous because she is so small. I just feel like the worst Mommy ever I have been cryingk all week." Quote

This bothers me, the vet said Bee will be fine giving birth, but putting her under will be more dangerous???? Im not a breeder and that sounds crazy to me! Goes to show vets are not breeders, I would listen to the breeders on YT than that Vet ANYDAY!!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by JESSY_RN2B

Ahhhh got ya

Delilah is the long legged pup in my Avatar.

[Lil Sis]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

I had to read through the thread again and I STILL DO NOT SEE anything remotely rude, nasty and mean -- especially nothing to warrant the hysterics of "crying and feeling like giving up."

The OP says she does not want to make it all about her yet, that is what the posts are all about -- HER feeling no support, HER crying all week, HER not being able to eat, HER having an upset stomach, HER not being able to leave the house, HER not being able to work, HER losing 10 pounds, and on and on and on...... Nothing about how this little yorkie girl is doing or what MIGHT be happening to her! Do you know how many posts the OP made without even mentioning her dog's name? THIS IS ALL ABOUT BEE! Her life and death!

No one here was mean, nasty and unsupportive. Just the opposite. People offered help, empathy, sympathy, researched links, offered experiences and advice. People genuinely tried to help. But they are told that they are mean, rude, most are nasty, they are laughing at you, and that they can "buzz off!" Who is the nasty one?

Could it be that you (the OP) had stealed yourself ahead of time for a lecture or rant on letting your girl get impregnanted by a dog 3 times her size? Could that preconceived notion of yours somehow colored your view of the responses actually given? Could you be feeling guilty and somehow projecting that? I don't know the answers -- just something to think about.

I find it amazing that you found 15 toy reproductive vets! I have never heard of even one billing themselves as that let alone 15 -- and not only did you find them, get them on the phone, but ALL of them gave you advice and a prognostication that Bee could carry this litter of unknown composition to term without the benefit of an exam or imagining? Amazing, indeed. Not saying I am doubting this -- just all sorts of amazed. If this is what you are basing your ignoring all of the advice from seasoned yorkie breeders with years of experience with real dogs, experts in the Yorkie breeding world -- I would reconsider. I have found their advice invaluable! They have saved the lives of many pups and momma dogs here. They genuinely care about yorkies! They can help!

If you found the other posts here so nastly, you may not like mine any better. I do hope you take it in the spirit offered though. I would help you in any way, research advice, contact experts, relay my limited expereinces, offer support for Bee in any way. I won't mollycoddle adults though. You have to be strong and stand up for your dog. She is counting on you to be mature and make the right decision to give her the best life possible. You can do it -- you know what should be done!

Originally Posted by lovespandp

I agree 100% I said the same thing about the mean comments, I couldn't see anything rude from fellow Yters. I honestly think this is about her and not Bee, which is very sad. Hopefully she will have Bee spayed and let this issue be done. IMO she should of had her spayed awhile ago, but she didnt so why wouldnt she do what was right? I would do anything in my power to make sure Pnut was ok, I know thats how all members think, we all put our dogs first.(sigh) I hope she does what is right.

Originally Posted by Candibee

This thread is...I don't even know. OP your pup being 5lbs should be NO reason not to have her spayed!! I had Silver spayed at exactly 6months and she was only 5lbs! She did great and was trying to run around the next day! I agree with some of the other posts about maybe you just wanted some pups with no regard on whether Bee lives or not.

op.. you are saying people are rude because they are not saying what you want to hear. I have read over the post.. all I see is people who are just astounded that you think you are doing the right thing by letting your bee have the puppies that may/ most likely will kill her. I really don't know what to say to you.. and now I am sure you think I am rude. so be it.
Btw... Remy was 3.5 lbs and 14 mos. old when she was spay.. no problems- so her being too small or too young doesn't hold water.

[Taryn0405]

Wow, just got done reading this thread. Alot of drama seems to have stirred up and honestly, I don't think any of the YT peeps started it.

Even though it's common sense not to leave a female in heat anywhere, let alone with a non-fixed male, you (the OP) did and these are the consequences. You now have put to risk your baby's life. And instead of people digitally smacking you upside the head, many people were kind and agreed that mistakes happen, and that now it's your turn to be responsible and take the best actions possible.

Another thing...If you believed these 15 supposed vet calls and they all told you to "Yes go ahead and like a five pound Yorkie give birth to a sire who is 15+ pounds" then why in the heck are you on here basically trying to convince us to give you sympathy?

Normally, I'm not mean or harsh. But damn woman use your brain. I know you're not dumb. This is common sense.

I read the whole thread and not one comment was rude, in fact members were begging you to respond so we knew the status of Bee. So, since you don't seem to respond well to sympathy, which everyone else has given you, I'll give you the blunt truth.

You have put your dog's life at risk. If she passes away while trying to birth these puppies despite the fact that you talked to "15 vets" then you're to blame, and you should be ashamed. This is selfish and down right sad.

One last thing, I don't really care if I hurt your feelings, it's Bee that I care about. Not your delicate sensibilities. If you plan on responding to how I hurt your feelings I don't really care. I simply care for Bee and that maybe being harsh to you about basically abusing your dog will maybe guilt you into doing the right thing.

I'm done here. It's too sad.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Ringo1

I have to side with the apparently unpopular, but overwhelming opinion that an emergency spay should be strongly considered. And I don't think I've ever posted that.

I try to picture my little 5 lb Lucy going through with a whelp with much larger puppies; I could not do that to my little Lucy. I would not risk her life.

Yes, accidents happen and no one has blamed you for that. But, now, you must step up and take care of your 5 lb little one. It's about HER and what's best for HER.

And, I must say, I believe that everyone has posted with remarkable restraint.

This would not be a hard decision for me - at all.

I have a 5 1/2 pound Champion girl that had whelped two litters successfully, both litters of 2. I bred her a 3rd time to my Denny, however, this time she concieved 4 pups.....she was much too small to carry to term....she whelped 4 pups 1 week premature, 2 didn't make it and the other 2 were touch and go for a bit. So, not only the size should be considered but how prolific a girl is.....

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Taryn0405

Wow, just got done reading this thread. Alot of drama seems to have stirred up and honestly, I don't think any of the YT peeps started it.

Even though it's common sense not to leave a female in heat anywhere, let alone with a non-fixed male, you (the OP) did and these are the consequences. You now have put to risk your baby's life. And instead of people digitally smacking you upside the head, many people were kind and agreed that mistakes happen, and that now it's your turn to be responsible and take the best actions possible.

Another thing...If you believed these 15 supposed vet calls and they all told you to "Yes go ahead and like a five pound Yorkie give birth to a sire who is 15+ pounds" then why in the heck are you on here basically trying to convince us to give you sympathy?

Normally, I'm not mean or harsh. But damn woman use your brain. I know you're not dumb. This is common sense.

I read the whole thread and not one comment was rude, in fact members were begging you to respond so we knew the status of Bee. So, since you don't seem to respond well to sympathy, which everyone else has given you, I'll give you the blunt truth.

You have put your dog's life at risk. If she passes away while trying to birth these puppies despite the fact that you talked to "15 vets" then you're to blame, and you should be ashamed. This is selfish and down right sad.

One last thing, I don't really care if I hurt your feelings, it's Bee that I care about. Not your delicate sensibilities. If you plan on responding to how I hurt your feelings I don't really care. I simply care for Bee and that maybe being harsh to you about basically abusing your dog will maybe guilt you into doing the right thing.

I'm done here. It's too sad.

No walking on egg crates with you......I love it.

[RachelandSadie]

I pmed you everything on my heart and got no response. After making Bee the most beautiful leopard blanket and seeing her all snuggled inside and literally tearing up because she was so precious and it made my heart soar that she liked that blanket and now here we are and i care so much and invested my heart into your situation with LOVE and not with Hatred or anger...and you do not even respond to my PM. That hurts me Lauren. I thought that we were friends and I thought you were a much much better YTer that that! i'm hurt and upset with you right now. Hurt that you wouldn't even respond and upset that it's so obvious how wrong making Bee carry these puppies is and yet you don't seem to care but rather just want to keep the pups. I'm very sad for Bee and very hurt and upset with you.

All i can say is I thought you were better and smarter than that. Sure the preg was an oops mistake and it does happen. but you have the opportunity to right a wrong and you won't and it makes me physically ILL to think of it.

[KazzyK810]

Some of these posts got me curious...

A havanese is a toy dog. How is this any different than those that breed yorkies with dachshunds, miniature poodles, miniature schnauzers, etc. When those breeding take place, is it usually the female that is the larger of the two breeds & the male the smaller?

Sorry, if it's a silly question. I admit to being ignorant in this. I've never bred an animal and have no intention of ever doing it. In fact, my pup has a vet appt for last puppy shots tomorrow and we will be discussing spaying