Wow!!

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Being frank is one thing, being rude and sarcastic is another. You can be blunt but still be nice. I, myself am not one to sugar coat things.

Telling someone to take her healthy, 4 week pregnant, bred by a yorkie, female in for an emergency spay, is totaly ridiculous. Just because this person is nnot an experienced breeder, does not mean that she is not capable of handling the situation.

Badgering an bullying is not very effective. Give the advise then let it go. If they take the advice, wonderful. If they don't, all the bullying in the world is not going to help. It is only going to run them off.

Again Jeanie, what you see as rude others may not. The only person's reaction/perception to a thread that you can control is yourself. While telling someone to get their dog an emergency spay might seem extreme to you, to others it may make perfect sense. You assume the dog is healthy(and I hope it is) and that all should be green-lighted because of what is written on the post. It might very well be, but then again, it might not. But that's not something that can be determined by a bunch of people reading typed words on the internet.

I could walk anyone here through child birth and neonatal resuscitation. But it would be extremely irresponsible for me to do it in lieu of telling them to seek the help of an experienced person who can be at their side while it's going on. I think the same applies to breeding. No internet forum should ever take the place of a trained person who can be there to help and, if necessary, intervene. No amount of youtube videos or words on a page can take prepare someone adequately. Part of the reason for that is the novice doesn't know what they don't know. Something that would and should cause concern in an experienced breeder might not even faze a novice. They might not consider it important enough to even mention until it's too late. Plus anyone who's attended ANY type of delivery knows that there isn't a single checklist of things to look at; you look at the whole picture to determine how things are going and what, if any, actions need to be taken. That's really hard to do if you don't have anyone there with you who knows what the whole picture should look like.

As for the "badgering and bullying", I would say that is a two way street. Constantly telling someone that they shouldn't be saying something, that they are rude or that they should let it go and move on doesn't make you right or them wrong about what is being said.

[Bentleys Momma]

Originally Posted by Bitsy

This is off topic, but I just have to share.
I use my iPad 99% of the time, with auto correct on. Last night I was responding to a friends announcement on FB about finding out they are expecting a boy (they have had some problems getting prego and so this is quite a joyous occasion for them!) I typed "awwww" and it changed it to "assess", but it read like I was calling them "a$$". this is a couple from my church that I love dearly. My iPad won't let you delete a post on FB, so I had to run upstairs to my regular laptop, get it booted up and delete it. I about had a heart attack. When I went to bed I told my mostly asleep husband the story and he of course thought it was hilarious! Aw, the problems of modern technology!

This was GREAT! Thank you for sharing!!!

[Ringo1]

Originally Posted by Jinger

Oh, and I seem to often be a "thread-killer", so we will most likely be wrapping this all up soon.

Haha! I'm one too! Well, at least we'll keep them short!

[concretegurl]

Sorry you feel that way...politics as in people are passionate in their opinion of inclusion exclusion and passions on such run high...I'm on the left you are on the right...instead of finding middle ground we'll just...well make it all "political" like.

Look, my point here was I more than think that when it comes to the topic of the thread, "people getting offended and opinionated, seeming to bully or run off newbies or people with breeding emergencies" that people do so out of concern...

...and was pointing out the difference in when people aren't bullying they are concerned about the health well being of a dog that could very well be in crisis of a health issue due to someone taking on or having something going on that seems to the responder to be dangerous due to irresponsibility or lack of what-to-do knowledge, and was expressing my issue with the over generalization of irresponsible breeding and in passions running high when it comes to animals...as opposed tothe difference in concern and attack when it just comes down to personal preferences, beliefs and so forth; generalizing based on ethnocentric type views.

I'm semi perplexed personally with you feeling the YTCA gets attacked...or so often put down. I've always felt IMHO based on what I've seen here, it was the opposite: that persons associated with the YTCA seem to be on the attack and generalize "irresponsible" breeding, but that's another topic for another thread...interesting to me you see it that way, I just never saw it both ways...

I'll consider your opinion for a moment on what I should like and should dislike...I think putting in the effort to consider all things from a different perspective is healthy to do from time to time.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

My point was that you dislike the YTCA for the very thing they are suppose to do. You should then dislike all breed clubs, because they also have standards, a breed club is not all-inclusive, and it can't be! While I believe it's okay to disagree with their choice of standard, it seems like too many people constantly are putting down the YTCA, and belittling it because of their personal preferences.

You say, " Just seems all politics to me......hmmmmm explains it so much thinking of it like that." What does that mean?

My second paragraph was directed at the people who criticize other breeder's replies. Sometimes an experienced breeder will say things like, "You need to get that dog to the vet", and another breeder will say, "Oh you just think only people who show should breed, we all have to start somewhere."

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

No internet forum should ever take the place of a trained person who can be there to help and, if necessary, intervene. No amount of youtube videos or words on a page can take prepare someone adequately.

Coming here for support & a morale boost while going through it is one thing...looking for a step-by-step how to guide, in lieu of professional medical expertise, is quite another.

[miabellaamoure]

Originally Posted by Bitsy

This is off topic, but I just have to share.
I use my iPad 99% of the time, with auto correct on. Last night I was responding to a friends announcement on FB about finding out they are expecting a boy (they have had some problems getting prego and so this is quite a joyous occasion for them!) I typed "awwww" and it changed it to "assess", but it read like I was calling them "a$$". this is a couple from my church that I love dearly. My iPad won't let you delete a post on FB, so I had to run upstairs to my regular laptop, get it booted up and delete it. I about had a heart attack. When I went to bed I told my mostly asleep husband the story and he of course thought it was hilarious! Aw, the problems of modern technology!

OMG! I just had to share my notorius incident with my iPhone...I tend to enter shortened words with some apostrophe's here and there...and not necessarily real words but, message gets thru just the same.

However...when attempting to write, "who're"...sometimes the iPhone will drop my lil' apostrophe and I end up calling people whores...and even tho' sometimes the word might fit...it's not so funny when it's your Mom or your Boss!

[miabellaamoure]

Oh my gosh people!!! I almost forgot to remind everyone that YorkieTalk now has a brand new "emoticon" for threads that get heated!

[Ringo1]

Originally Posted by miabellaamoure

OMG! I just had to share my notorius incident with my iPhone...I tend to enter shortened words with some apostrophe's here and there...and not necessarily real words but, message gets thru just the same.

However...when attempting to write, "who're"...sometimes the iPhone will drop my lil' apostrophe and I end up calling people whores...and even tho' sometimes the word might fit...it's not so funny when it's your Mom or your Boss!

That is hilarious and love the new 'emoticon'!

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by miabellaamoure

OMG! I just had to share my notorius incident with my iPhone...I tend to enter shortened words with some apostrophe's here and there...and not necessarily real words but, message gets thru just the same.

However...when attempting to write, "who're"...sometimes the iPhone will drop my lil' apostrophe and I end up calling people whores...and even tho' sometimes the word might fit...it's not so funny when it's your Mom or your Boss!

Ain't technology grand?

[yorkietalkjilly]

Perfect emoticon!!! Too cute. Made me laugh!

[Jinger]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Ain't technology grand?

On my iPhone just this Wednesday, I typed a quick note to my daughter's (serious) boyfriend's mother, saying thank you for a delightful dinner, and how nice it was to see her and the family. I then added a second text meaning to say, "And it was so yummy". Somehow I was all thumbs (Hah) and typed and sent (by mistake) this: "BS". My daughter will NEVER forgive me, I'm sure.
I feel better reading about other similar texts! HOW does this happen?!

[gemy]

In a book that was written about 15 years ago, the narrator was speaking to a group of students during the kids "show and tell" day, you those days when you brought something from home and had to speak about it to the class for a minute or two? Well one little girl brought in a human brain, yup a real human brain (preserved too). Her daddy was a surgeon. It was needless to say a huge hit with all the kids. After the kids all had a chance to see, and chat with each other, the teacher took that little old brain in his hands, turned it, weighed it, and then shared some thoughts with the kids. He said; the most astounding thing to come out of the last 20 yrs of brain research, is that we are all so different inside. Literally how we see, where we see, what we hear, what we understand, seems to be processed uniquely by each individual. It is not amazing that sometimes we misunderstand each other; it is amazing that we understand each other at all!

And so like you, there are threads that go I "feel" unnecessarily sidetracked, that there are times when judgements read harshly, when advice on what is asked is not answered, or the answer has become buried beneath lots of other suggestions,concerns, or questions.

There are times when I suspect/feel, that the OP is taking advantage of all the "free advice" here. Whether that be to save them the time from having to research, or the money to pay a vet, or whatever whole host of other reasons there could be.

I suspect for the breeders forum, a dilemmna many will at one time or another face is; through my help am I supporting poor breeding practises?

I also know that every so often, we will have a thread about, how YTers respond poorly at times to threads. How we bully, or make unwelcome new posters, how we can do a/b/c differently. And that's okay, it is good to take the time to pause, review your own actions, and reflect.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Again Jeanie, what you see as rude others may not. The only person's reaction/perception to a thread that you can control is yourself. While telling someone to get their dog an emergency spay might seem extreme to you, to others it may make perfect sense. You assume the dog is healthy(and I hope it is) and that all should be green-lighted because of what is written on the post. It might very well be, but then again, it might not. But that's not something that can be determined by a bunch of people reading typed words on the internet.

I could walk anyone here through child birth and neonatal resuscitation. But it would be extremely irresponsible for me to do it in lieu of telling them to seek the help of an experienced person who can be at their side while it's going on. I think the same applies to breeding. No internet forum should ever take the place of a trained person who can be there to help and, if necessary, intervene. No amount of youtube videos or words on a page can take prepare someone adequately. Part of the reason for that is the novice doesn't know what they don't know. Something that would and should cause concern in an experienced breeder might not even faze a novice. They might not consider it important enough to even mention until it's too late. Plus anyone who's attended ANY type of delivery knows that there isn't a single checklist of things to look at; you look at the whole picture to determine how things are going and what, if any, actions need to be taken. That's really hard to do if you don't have anyone there with you who knows what the whole picture should look like.

As for the "badgering and bullying", I would say that is a two way street. Constantly telling someone that they shouldn't be saying something, that they are rude or that they should let it go and move on doesn't make you right or them wrong about what is being said.

A feeble attempt at justifying rudness.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

A feeble attempt at justifying rudness.

Your not God on here and just because you say its so doesnt mean it is

[concretegurl]