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JeanieK · 03-13-2011, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lil Sis

well... I think you did an excellent job of catharting.... a lot of good points.

Thank you, I didn't know I could cathart, let alone be good at it.

JeanieK · 03-13-2011, 04:04 PM

It is sad that rudeness is seen as normal on internet forums. YT did not used to be like that. And that is all I will say on that matter.

As for FB, I have never seen any rudeness among my friends on there. If I did, they would not remain on my friend list for long.

ladyjane · 03-13-2011, 04:17 PM

All in how you interpret things.

I personally think those who protest often are not so kind themselves at times......but hey..it is how *I* interpret it. Perhaps they think they are the models of kindness. *shrug*

Rhetts_mama · 03-13-2011, 04:19 PM

I still think it's hilarious that the ones who opine on others being rude see nothing rude about their posts on that subject.

As I said before, rude is all in the eyes of the beholder.

ladyjane · 03-13-2011, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

I still think it's hilarious that the ones who opine on others being rude see nothing rude about their posts on that subject.

As I said before, rude is all in the eyes of the beholder.

I know....but nothing new. Same stuff, different day as I said.

Exactly!

concretegurl · 03-13-2011, 04:39 PM

Glad to hear from the OP and that you did get responses to your thread start that answered the questions and put out the topic as food for thought...

I'm just like this in real life...not always a good thing LOL, but then again I think people also need to realize the way we write and the way we speak are different...as well the tone of a body of writing vs the one one has in their voice when speaking the same words...it's the perpetual conflict of interpretation vs meaning on the internet...but of course the reality is everyone is rude from time to time...I like to think it just out of concern and with well being in mind...

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Originally Posted by mauirobin

In case you are wondering about the OP, I have read every reply since I started the thread. I must say, I have found some new friends because of this thread, and a lot of great responses.

The controversial posts weren't just about the breeding ones. In the first month of being a member here, I saw name-calling, rudeness, snottiness, anything you would expect in a forum. But lately......

A very nice change of pace. I've seen questions answered, and opinions given in a much more caring manner. Still, just like this one did, they go in 20 different directions at about the middle of the thread. That's normal, but I've noticed a few members that usually pull it back to where it's supposed to be.

Yes, there will be conflicting opinions. If there weren't any, there would be no point to a forum, just print one encyclopedia style for questions/answers.

My point was just because we all can hide behind a screen & keyboard, doesn't mean we should act like non-civilized beings & say things we wouldn't do if we were face-to-face with that person.

A lot of great responses were posted all, thanks

Ringo1 · 03-13-2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

I still think it's hilarious that the ones who opine on others being rude see nothing rude about their posts on that subject.

As I said before, rude is all in the eyes of the beholder.

I agree. Haven't we been through this like 10,000 times now?

Blah Blah blah; yadda yadda yadda.

Sorry! I know that's rude!

JMuedog · 03-13-2011, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FlDebra

If you think the poster should be shown more compassion, told more information, given more links -- then by all means do that. Everyone just has to answer the way their heart guides them. We also have to take into account that when advice or information is given, it is really not to just one person, but ALL the people who wind up reading the post. So, giving tacit approval by NOT saying anything about a person's lack of preparation or regard for their pet, can wind up setting a tone for years to come as that post just hangs out there. I often feel better to lay it on the line to one person, than to give hundreds/thousands the wrong idea and perpetuate a problem.

I completely agree with this. If you want to see a change in how responses are posted please take a stand and post the way you think the response should be posted. Lead by example.

Differing opinions create heated threads, but usually these threads are very educational.

Lil Sis · 03-14-2011, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ladyjane

All in how you interpret things.

I personally think those who protest often are not so kind themselves at times......but hey..it is how *I* interpret it. Perhaps they think they are the models of kindness. *shrug*

ok-- I tried not to comment but I just have too...

I don't think being rude and being unkind are the same. I have seen some of the most polite people being absolutely cruel.
I guess if I had to choose... I would take the slightly brass person who has a kind hearth over a passive aggressive polite person. Also, after you get to know someone you can judge better. There are people on this site that are a bit .... rude

,.. but I think I know them from their posts to understand they have hearts of gold and are just trying to help.. it is different for the new members.

miabellaamoure · 03-14-2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ringo1

I agree. Haven't we been through this like 10,000 times now?
Blah Blah blah; yadda yadda yadda.

Sorry! I know that's rude!

Yes...and I think this thread makes it 10,001

I shall not post again on this thread again in hopes that this thread will just drop into that big dark black abyss where all the other "rude" threads go...good bye!

chandracz · 03-14-2011, 01:15 PM

I feel this story of Sam should be shared in schools!!!!

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Originally Posted by dexterandalana

i understand your point and some people can be harsh to newbies. but most are doing it out of love for the breed and animals. far too many people are ignorant of the facts of how unnecissary dog breedings are a direct cause of the over population of shelters and rescue groups.

i urge anyone who is thinking of breeding their dog just because they think their dog is cute, or just to make a couple bucks without being serious to read this article....

My Name is Sam | Life With Dogs

having soooo many unecissary litters in north america is a direct cause of stories like this to happen EVERY DAY.....

Teegy · 03-14-2011, 07:21 PM

I have to agree with your point of view.
Are you telling me when these seasoned breeders first started out they knew absolutely everything they had to know and all went well and everything was bright and shiny.
They can be very cruel and nasty, I certainly hope their pups don't pick up on that.
I think there is a kinder way to address these situations when someone who appears ignorant of a situation asks, what may appear to be a ridiculous question to some.

Nancy1999 · 03-15-2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Teegy

I have to agree with your point of view.
Are you telling me when these seasoned breeders first started out they knew absolutely everything they had to know and all went well and everything was bright and shiny.
They can be very cruel and nasty, I certainly hope their pups don't pick up on that. I think there is a kinder way to address these situations when someone who appears ignorant of a situation asks, what may appear to be a ridiculous question to some.

I think the disagreement in this thread is that many of us don't see the cruelness and nastiness from the seasoned breeders that you do. Those are VERY strong words. What I see is people taking pot shots at the good breeders. These seasoned breeders give advice, such as "take the dog to the vet, it's life is in your hands," and people see this as cruel. I see the people who ignore this advice as cruel.

Buster Brown · 03-15-2011, 11:08 AM

IMO I know to some posters with over thousands of posts this may be an old rehashed topic but we are discussing the treatment of new members and how answers are intended and/or perceived by them, not by the older members who know the background of those responding so they interpret when reading their responses. Processing in their head, I know that poster they are usually kind they just got overheated in their response. To the new poster they only know they came for help and are all ready in a upset state of mind because their dog is having difficulties. If they are attacked it will only put them on the defensive even more and they may be resistant to hearing the message because of how it is stated. I have noticed many people on YT have their personal beliefs and agendas that sometimes overwhelm the message they are trying to deliver. Your beliefs have come about through a lot of experiences and soul searching that you yourself have done. You can not assume that others here have come to the same conclusions or have even had the opportunity to learn these life lessons or confront the obstacles that you have in order to form your opinion. Is it not more important that a dog gets the help and advice it needs or that your agenda is voiced? I have been haunted for days by the post by the woman who watched her new dog die of hypoglycaemia. I wanted to shout at her. As I sat trying to phrase what I wanted to say, I thought she is all ready heartbroken, she was not cruel just unaware, uneducated on how fragile Yorkies are. Would my venting have made me feel better, no, the dog better, no, the poor person who was all ready suffering no. So I just said that there was a lot of knowledge to be learned here if she wanted to get another dog. Making her wrong for not knowing would not have made anything better. So I can understand that those of you who have been on here longer are haunted by all the posts you have read, the people you have reached out to help. Please just remember when you were new and just learning about Yorkies and take a long look at what you post before you submit it. Will it help the situation or just hurt. I thank all the breeders and posters who offer advice and support to us new learners.

Buster Brown · 03-15-2011, 11:15 AM

I had to add. This is in no way referring to advice given by the seasoned breeders but more towards other agendas.

03-13-2011, 04:17 PM	#153
ladyjane Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 27,490	All in how you interpret things. I personally think those who protest often are not so kind themselves at times......but hey..it is how I interpret it. Perhaps they think they are the models of kindness. shrug __________________ CLOUD NINE BEDS--YORKIE HAVEN RESCUE MY ETSY SHOP

03-13-2011, 04:19 PM	#154
Rhetts_mama Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Georgia Posts: 5,959 Blog Entries: 1	I still think it's hilarious that the ones who opine on others being rude see nothing rude about their posts on that subject. As I said before, rude is all in the eyes of the beholder. __________________ Don't get your knickers in a knot. Nothing is solved and it just makes you walk funny.

03-15-2011, 11:08 AM	#164
Buster Brown Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Toluca Lake, CA Posts: 5,491	Advice or Agenda? IMO I know to some posters with over thousands of posts this may be an old rehashed topic but we are discussing the treatment of new members and how answers are intended and/or perceived by them, not by the older members who know the background of those responding so they interpret when reading their responses. Processing in their head, I know that poster they are usually kind they just got overheated in their response. To the new poster they only know they came for help and are all ready in a upset state of mind because their dog is having difficulties. If they are attacked it will only put them on the defensive even more and they may be resistant to hearing the message because of how it is stated. I have noticed many people on YT have their personal beliefs and agendas that sometimes overwhelm the message they are trying to deliver. Your beliefs have come about through a lot of experiences and soul searching that you yourself have done. You can not assume that others here have come to the same conclusions or have even had the opportunity to learn these life lessons or confront the obstacles that you have in order to form your opinion. Is it not more important that a dog gets the help and advice it needs or that your agenda is voiced? I have been haunted for days by the post by the woman who watched her new dog die of hypoglycaemia. I wanted to shout at her. As I sat trying to phrase what I wanted to say, I thought she is all ready heartbroken, she was not cruel just unaware, uneducated on how fragile Yorkies are. Would my venting have made me feel better, no, the dog better, no, the poor person who was all ready suffering no. So I just said that there was a lot of knowledge to be learned here if she wanted to get another dog. Making her wrong for not knowing would not have made anything better. So I can understand that those of you who have been on here longer are haunted by all the posts you have read, the people you have reached out to help. Please just remember when you were new and just learning about Yorkies and take a long look at what you post before you submit it. Will it help the situation or just hurt. I thank all the breeders and posters who offer advice and support to us new learners. __________________ CarolynBuster Brown "The happiest people don't have the best of everything, they just make the best of everything."

03-15-2011, 11:15 AM	#165
Buster Brown Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Toluca Lake, CA Posts: 5,491	I had to add. This is in no way referring to advice given by the seasoned breeders but more towards other agendas. __________________ CarolynBuster Brown "The happiest people don't have the best of everything, they just make the best of everything."

03-13-2011, 04:04 PM	#152
JeanieK Donating YT 12K Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa Posts: 12,552	It is sad that rudeness is seen as normal on internet forums. YT did not used to be like that. And that is all I will say on that matter. As for FB, I have never seen any rudeness among my friends on there. If I did, they would not remain on my friend list for long.

03-14-2011, 07:21 PM	#162
Teegy Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,631	I have to agree with your point of view. Are you telling me when these seasoned breeders first started out they knew absolutely everything they had to know and all went well and everything was bright and shiny. They can be very cruel and nasty, I certainly hope their pups don't pick up on that. I think there is a kinder way to address these situations when someone who appears ignorant of a situation asks, what may appear to be a ridiculous question to some.