Stunned!

[stowelinda]

The CKC I was referring to is Continental Kennel Club.

[Buster Brown]

I too purchased Buster from a store that implied that they did not use puppy mill breeders. I too found out later the true story of Busters beginning. I am glad your dog is healthy. When I first got Buster he had a bad case of kennel cough which became pneumonia and he was intensive care for 3 days. He also came with parasites which took over 6 months to get rid of. He was sold to me as healthy. But in checking out the paperwork they were all ready treating him for these issues. I researched the breeder and found out about them from the USDA. I contacted the pet shop after spending $2500.00 on his medical expenses in the first three months. The will not refund any money spent on parasites but did refund $1700.00 towards his other medical bills. We just had luxating patella surgery and he has arthritis in both front elbows and he is only 15 months old.He too was given a CKC registration but I did not pay to get the document because I realized it was just another con to get more money from me. I love my little boy. He is the best thing to ever happen to me. BUT...His parents should not have been breeding stock and I fear for the life that they live as pawns of commercial breeders. I have learned a lot in my first year with Buster. The best thing that I learned was what unconditional love is.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by broodizt

No one is questioning your intent. We all hate puppy mills. But can you see that your comment above could be construed as being a bit judgmental and condescending?

No, I can see where it could have been taken the wrong way...just maybe not to the extent that it was--a personal attack and insinuating that someone was "narrow minded?" That's a bit of a stretch, I think. I *tried* to clarify with my next post (#27/28 since it posted twice), assuring that was NOT what I meant at all. I thought I'd made my point clear, which is why I was a bit surprised to receive reprimanding PMs advising me of how to post 'appropriately.' (But not really surprised as there always seem to be people who think it is their place to dictate what others say, think and do.)

I think we can all agree that it is very important and beneficial to do your research in advance and really take a hard look at any breeder you are considering, right? And that if you don't, the possibility exists that you will end up being scammed and may have health issues on your hands that you have to deal with as a result? That was the point I was trying to make BECAUSE not everyone is aware of these things in advance. But if it's never stressed when examples like this come up, then people will continue to remain in the dark.

[stowelinda]

Originally Posted by Buster Brown

I too purchased Buster from a store that implied that they did not use puppy mill breeders. I too found out later the true story of Busters beginning. I am glad your dog is healthy. When I first got Buster he had a bad case of kennel cough which became pneumonia and he was intensive care for 3 days. He also came with parasites which took over 6 months to get rid of. He was sold to me as healthy. But in checking out the paperwork they were all ready treating him for these issues. I researched the breeder and found out about them from the USDA. I contacted the pet shop after spending $2500.00 on his medical expenses in the first three months. The will not refund any money spent on parasites but did refund $1700.00 towards his other medical bills. We just had luxating patella surgery and he has arthritis in both front elbows and he is only 15 months old.He too was given a CKC registration but I did not pay to get the document because I realized it was just another con to get more money from me. I love my little boy. He is the best thing to ever happen to me. BUT...His parents should not have been breeding stock and I fear for the life that they live as pawns of commercial breeders. I have learned a lot in my first year with Buster. The best thing that I learned was what unconditional love is.

This brings tears to my eyes. I can't imagine having to go thru that with my Josie. It broke my heart to see her doped up after being spade. Guess I'm just over emotional. I am very grateful for her good health and great disposition. She is such a doll. I have moved past the paperwork now too. I just hate letting those people get away with not only the mill but not honoring the contract. Principle I guess.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by broodizt

The owner swore that she got her dogs from legitimate breeders!

Originally Posted by Buster Brown

I too purchased Buster from a store that implied that they did not use puppy mill breeders.

Would you really expect a pet store selling dog to tell you otherwise? Do you think they would be honest and tell you upfront that they got their dogs from puppy mills, or do you think they would tell you what you wanted to hear to make the sale?

[broodizt]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Would you really expect a pet store selling dog to tell you otherwise? Do you think they would be honest and tell you upfront that they got their dogs from puppy mills, or do you think they would tell you what you wanted to hear to make the sale?

When you are new to the dog world, and have never heard of puppy mills, and the owner says they are from breeders and loving homes, and you do not know any better that there is something to beware of, well of course you might believe them. Why not? I did. And I am far from a stupid person. When you unaware of the tremendous profits these puppy mills make and the whole nature of the industry, it is very possible for people to make mistakes and get caught.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by broodizt

When you are new to the dog world, and have never heard of puppy mills, and the owner says they are from breeders and loving homes, and you do not know any better that there is something to beware of, well of course you might believe them. Why not? I did. And I am far from a stupid person. When you unaware of the tremendous profits these puppy mills make and the whole nature of the industry, it is very possible for people to make mistakes and get caught.

Hmmm...yeah, I see your point. I suppose it would be entirely possible for that to happen if you don't know any better. I guess it just depends on the person--I myself would never just take someone's word for it...especially when it's a situation where they have everything to gain. I guess I'm just not that trusting by nature. I kind of equate it to buying a used car and just taking the seller's word for it that there's nothing wrong with it and never bothering to have it checked by a mechanic.

[Brooklynn]

I hope the puppy stays healthy I believe the public is becoming more aware of puppymill situations as I see it on the news more now than I use to about someone busting them and taking the dogs from them. I hope more and more get busted and more people start researching where they get their dogs whether it be yorkies or any other purebred. All it takes is research and not to be in a hurry to add a loving furbaby to your family. I would hope one would take the time to research for a furbaby as one would a child in foster care or up for adoption.

Donna

[broodizt]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Hmmm...yeah, I see your point. I suppose it would be entirely possible for that to happen if you don't know any better. I guess it just depends on the person--I myself would never just take someone's word for it...especially when it's a situation where they have everything to gain. I guess I'm just not that trusting by nature. I kind of equate it to buying a used car and just taking the seller's word for it that there's nothing wrong with it and never bothering to have it checked by a mechanic.

Well of course I had Merlin checked by my Vet. Which is the equivalent of having a used car checked by a mechanic-or IS it? Really-I think this analogy is way off-I could never think of Merlin as being a used car-but I digress. At the time I loved him way too much to give him up even though my Vet pointed out his congenital defects.. At the risk of being redundant, (this is really getting old)-in 20/20 hindsight, no one was debating that it is best to do your homework before you adopt. This is a given. I'm not even sure why we are still talking about this. We all agree that this is so. I'm sure the OP would never make the same mistake again now that she knows about this. Your point was never in question. It was the way you chose to communicate it that could be hurting. My point was that people who don't know about such things can easily fall prey to dishonest people and not even know there was anything to worry about. Adopting a fur kid can be a very emotional thing, and emotions can be easily manipulated. I understand your thinking, and it is sound. You deserve kudos for not making this mistake like some of us. You are way ahead. My point is simple. Treat each other with gentleness and understanding. We never know when we may need it ourselves. Tolerance is what I'm promoting. Unless we believe that we will never ever make a mistake again in our entire lives. And seriously-most people in this culture grow up with awareness of used car salesmen and their practices. But if they did not know a thing about it-they might make the same mistake with used cars until they learned better. But hey, maybe you would research it anyway, because that's what you do, and that's who you are. Again, kudos to you. But not everyone is like you. That's my point. People of different natures inhabit our planet. And they all deserve our respect, even though they may not be or think like us. Some people are more trusting, some people are less. There are positives and negatives to both of these. i'm just saying 'can't we all get along?'

[Kdgd14]

This is so sad. I emailed this person and said that what you are doing is wrong and blah blah blah. I know it most likely won't do anything, but hey, I figured I would try. I don't understand why they need my phone # and everything. I gave a fake name and phone #, but used my back-up email. I made up a story saying I was interested in some of their pups, but I did research and found they were a puppy mill.
This one baby looks so sad. There's just something about her that brings tears to my eyes.

http://worldkennelusa.com/gmb/bbs/gm...3&page=1&c_id=

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by broodizt

Your point was never in question. It was the way you chose to communicate it that could be hurting.

Ah, OK I see, so it wasn't what I said, but how I said it and therefore how people chose to interpret that. In that case, I'm not so concerned.for I would worry about someone misunderstanding the point I was trying to make, which apparently everyone agrees is valid, but not so much about if everyone universally approves of how I choose to word things. I've learned that you are not going to please everyone and that those who looking to be offended will usually not be disappointed.

And no, just to clarify, I would not equate having a used car seen by a mechanic to having a dog checked by a vet. The comparison being made was buying a dog while just taking someone's word on it vs buying a used car while just taking the owner's word for it.

Why are we still having this "debate?" Because you keep posting trying to further explain yourself, as do I.

[fullmoonyorkies]

Hi Linda...Josie is a beautiful girl! I hope she lives a very long, healthy life. I'm sorry to read the circumstances of Josie's purchase weren't the best, but she is very fortunate to have you!

[broodizt]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Ah, OK I see, so it wasn't what I said, but how I said it and therefore how people chose to interpret that. In that case, I'm not so concerned.for I would worry about someone misunderstanding the point I was trying to make, which apparently everyone agrees is valid, but not so much about if everyone universally approves of how I choose to word things. I've learned that you are not going to please everyone and that those who looking to be offended will usually not be disappointed.

And no, just to clarify, I would not equate having a used car seen by a mechanic to having a dog checked by a vet. The comparison being made was buying a dog while just taking someone's word on it vs buying a used car while just taking the owner's word for it.

Why are we still having this "debate?" Because you keep posting trying to further explain yourself, as do I.

Well, I guess we've said all we need to say. My last post said it all. I don't think anyone was looking to be offended here. But it's a good idea to monitor our posts as they can sometimes come off different then we meant them to. Anyway peace and prosperity to all. Have fun with your babies and love love love them. They are the most amazing furry little creatures I have ever had the privilege to know and they bring joy and giggles to our lives and are our mirrors of what unconditional love should be. They are our teachers, our greatest fans, our loyal companions and trust us to do what is best for them, till the end. They are endless hours of cuddly warmth and love and fascination. They are our hearts. Love to all. :-)