I hope this isn't a dumb question..

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by celstu1

Tammy I am reading this post and feeling terrible. First I want to say that this read like a ping pong match with you on one side and about 15 people on the other side. I also feel bad when I read some of things like you thinking that someone said or insinuated that your dogs are a poor representation of the breed. I just want you to know that I think that pup in your avatar is adorable. Although I don't agree with your breeding practices. I wanted to let you know that I think your pup is pretty darn cute. I know if someone made me feel like my yorkie was not 'the cutest dog in the world' ... I would be hugging them and hugging them and telling them over and over again that they are! (my boys probably ARE a poor representation of the breed, but in my eyes they are such beautiful souls!)

Please think of what you are doing... it took guts to come out and talk blatantly the way you are especially here where you KNEW it would lead to this. This is a great opportunity to get help and set yourself up as a breeder who does not have to do it 'in the closet' and can be PROUD enough to post her pups on YT whenever she wants.

Thank you, you sound like a very sweet person.
yes we actually had all the dogs in bed with me and hubby till late talking about "this"..(they sleep in their crate in the dinning room at night..but baby bella (avatar) snuck in to bed with the kids and i didnt have the heart to put her up last night.

again thank you

[Poshible]

I feel bad she had to defend herself to so many as well. BUT there is a time to make a stand and a time to stand down. Yes, your avatar is very cute as I imagine all your puppies actually are. Clearly you are proud of yourself for whatever reason, but I would prefer my breeder to be "snobby" because my father taught me that being "snobby" was a good thing because "snobs" do not go for the 1st thing that comes their way, instead they make INFORMED DECISIONS. When did being educated and wanting to do things the right way become negative?

[Lizzie07]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

sorry i dont see my self as greedy..or a greeder as u put..

if i stop breeding..it wouldnt make a dent in the market of puppies...and i take care in making sure i am available to take a pup back.


if my "mutts" are desirable..then i guess so..if they didnt want them they wouldnt buy them and i wouldnt have bred another litter..because i wouldn't have had a waiting list

really doesnt matter what i say..it wont be agreeable or acceptable by the standards on Yt

i understand the rescues not wanting the pups to go back in the system if not placed properly..and this is a discussion i have often with people i know in the rescue groups...if they lightened up on the qualifications just slightly and say that got 10 dogs adopted and 1 came back..thats a huge improvement..but denying all 10 and missing out on the 9 perfect homes is a failure..even if 2 came back its a huge improvement it made room for 8 more dogs to come in and get a home.

I seriously have problems believing you even talk to your puppy buyers and ask them the kind of questions that NEED to be asked before placing a puppy if you can say that. I can tell you, based on 14 yrs as an Italian Greyhound Club of America rescue rep, that many people think they want a dog and truly aren't in a position to own one. Heck, if I let all the dogs I listed on petfinder go to the first person interested who could afford the adoption fee, I can tell you I would have gotten back a lot more than one dog. Furthermore, you act like of the 10 dogs, nine would actually get good homes. You can't tell that. You need the qualifications to insure that the dogs are placed in good homes, homes that will provide more than minimal care to insure the dog survives. Homes that really will return the dog to you rather than dump it in a shelter or in the backyard. I don't just want to get a dog adopted, I want the dogs I have fostered and come to love in the best homes possible. Homes that will love the dog, feed the dog good food, and see to it the dog gets good veterinary care. Homes where the dog is an actual member of the family. To insure that, the person needs to have more than the adoption fee to adopt a dog from me, and that is something a reputable breeder considers too. They would never sell a dog to just anyone, which from what you said above, sounds like you'd advocate.

[Lizzie07]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

Guess what, you can buy a nice show dog from a YTCA member for about that.

If one would sell to her. The "qualifications" might be too rigid for her.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Lizzie07

If one would sell to her. The "qualifications" might be too rigid for her.

Never happen.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Lizzie07

I seriously have problems believing you even talk to your puppy buyers and ask them the kind of questions that NEED to be asked before placing a puppy if you can say that. I can tell you, based on 14 yrs as an Italian Greyhound Club of America rescue rep, that many people think they want a dog and truly aren't in a position to own one. Heck, if I let all the dogs I listed on petfinder go to the first person interested who could afford the adoption fee, I can tell you I would have gotten back a lot more than one dog. Furthermore, you act like of the 10 dogs, nine would actually get good homes. You can't tell that. You need the qualifications to insure that the dogs are placed in good homes, homes that will provide more than minimal care to insure the dog survives. Homes that really will return the dog to you rather than dump it in a shelter or in the backyard. I don't just want to get a dog adopted, I want the dogs I have fostered and come to love in the best homes possible. Homes that will love the dog, feed the dog good food, and see to it the dog gets good veterinary care. Homes where the dog is an actual member of the family. To insure that, the person needs to have more than the adoption fee to adopt a dog from me, and that is something a reputable breeder considers too. They would never sell a dog to just anyone, which from what you said above, sounds like you'd advocate.

i really dont care what u think

the approval of YT is not needed to make me feel good about my self.

i am an average hobby breeder in my opinion..i take great care of my dogs and puppies and yes i breed occasionally and sell pups. the end.

[shamrocks]

Originally Posted by Poshible

I feel bad she had to defend herself to so many as well. BUT there is a time to make a stand and a time to stand down. Yes, your avatar is very cute as I imagine all your puppies actually are. Clearly you are proud of yourself for whatever reason, but I would prefer my breeder to be "snobby" because my father taught me that being "snobby" was a good thing because "snobs" do not go for the 1st thing that comes their way, instead they make INFORMED DECISIONS. When did being educated and wanting to do things the right way become negative?

“The true snob never rests; there is always a higher goal to attain, and there are, by the same token, always more and more people to look down upon”
J. Russell Lynes

We must never confuse elegance with snobbery.”
Yves Saint Laurent

My mom always told me not to be snobby. She told me not to think of myself as better than
anyone else, and to remember that we can always learn something from someone. Being educated is a wonderful thing but you never want to be an educated snob that looks down on others. By the way I am in no way saying that is how you are. I was just commenting on how I read your statement.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Lizzie07

If one would sell to her. The "qualifications" might be too rigid for her.

ouch!

rudeness rudeness which is applauded by the next poster...yet Hey is offensive

tsk tsk

[tammy8833]

nothing wrong with educating yourself..but being proud to be a snob??? thats ugly..i wouldnt be proud to be a snob...and i am dissappointed by people of that "statue"

what information that i learn and attain..i like to share and feel privileged to share to help ..i dont need to be better then someone else..i need to be happy and a good person and be good to others...

and i am proud of my self...i have no reason to not be...

[chachi]

We are all equals on here but some have more knowlege and experience not because they have heard it, it is because they have lived it. I yield to their judgement and expertise. Mardelin is the one I look for if their is a difficult breeding question. She is very knowledgable and ungrudgenly shares that knowledge freely on here every day. We are really lucky to have her on here

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by shamrocks

“The true snob never rests; there is always a higher goal to attain, and there are, by the same token, always more and more people to look down upon”
J. Russell Lynes

We must never confuse elegance with snobbery.”
Yves Saint Laurent

My mom always told me not to be snobby. She told me not to think of myself as better than
anyone else, and to remember that we can always learn something from someone. Being educated is a wonderful thing but you never want to be an educated snob that looks down on others. By the way I am in no way saying that is how you are. I was just commenting on how I read your statement.

I never realized that holding yourself to a high standard was considered being a snob. I learn something new on this site every day.

I really hope the OP hasn't run off completely. She had misgivings about the person she was looking at buying a pup from. Rightly so, IMO. This thread, though it went off on a tangent, ended up giving an insight in to the rationalizations that go through the mind of someone who breeds poorly and for the wrong reasons. If she does come back, please remember that when you choose your breeder, you are condoning their breeding practices.

[shamrocks]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

I never realized that holding yourself to a high standard was considered being a snob. I learn something new on this site every day.

I really hope the OP hasn't run off completely. She had misgivings about the person she was looking at buying a pup from. Rightly so, IMO. This thread, though it went off on a tangent, ended up giving an insight in to the rationalizations that go through the mind of someone who breeds poorly and for the wrong reasons. If she does come back, please remember that when you choose your breeder, you are condoning their breeding practices.

I do not think that holding yourself to a high standard is being a snob at all that is not what i was saying . I was saying that holding yourself above others is being a snob.

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by celstu1

If you can't afford the cost of a well bred quality yorkie, then you can't afford the cost of the vet for an ill bred not quality yorkie. Keep that in mind! You know what to do here. Wait and save and when you are ready to spend the $$ on a well bred yorkie, you will find your dream baby!
There is a chance that you could get a healthy, happy, well adjusted pup from her, but do you want to take that chance? My boys were not thousands of $$ either. They cost $700 each. The first year alone between buying them and the medical stuff they needed, vet appts, vaccines (2x) and neuters, I spent about $3,000. And that was for 2 healthy happy pups!

I really like this advice and think this is something that should be posted as advice to buyers! I hope you don't mind if I start using this, it's a very true & accurate statement!

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

damn i am an awful person, i breed, i breed cross mixes and i dont test...i wonder wants next for me...hmmm....

i dont need nor want peoples approval..i do it because i want to
and if you think that makes me a horrible person then so be it..from many post on YT i get the impression of alot of egotistical snobs, who get away with being extremely rude for reasons i wont name on this open forum

I never called you awful or a horrible person, please don't put words in my mouth. I commented on the ethics & breeding practices and the relation to character.
I don't know you personally, but I don't like your breeding practices and I think any buyers that are looking on this site should be aware of any breeders that are on YT that have questionable breeding practices.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

nothing wrong with educating yourself..but being proud to be a snob??? thats ugly..i wouldnt be proud to be a snob...and i am dissappointed by people of that "statue"

what information that i learn and attain..i like to share and feel privileged to share to help ..i dont need to be better then someone else..i need to be happy and a good person and be good to others...

and i am proud of my self...i have no reason to not be...

Gotta give you credit Tammy, you are sticking to your guns.I am not on the attack, Only wish you would open your heart and feel that this is not right and change. He## I learn something new everyday but I want to change and be a better person than I was yesterday. And by the way, I am not a snob and have nothing to be snobby about.