I hope this isn't a dumb question..

[tammy8833]

my mom was very deep in rescue and i was always by her side
and they bumped heads constantly over letting up a little so this dog could have a great home..and they would turn people away and would go strickly by their qualifications if one thing was not met they would trash the app...now im not saying they all do that..its just my experience with the one i volunteered with

i would say awesome job to a rescue that let a pet go to a deserving home that might not meet the required qualifications..and congrats to the person that got one..

say what you want think what you want...claim lame excuse..whatever..its the truth..
and i feel if i am happy with my life and i am making someone else happy and no wrong doing it being done...then i see no problem..i got a puppy a great home and i met some new people and i did what i enjoyed. its so great when someone comes to pick up their puppy..they are so excited and happy...i feel like i did something special

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

sorry i dont see my self as greedy..or a greeder as u put..

if i stop breeding..it wouldnt make a dent in the market of puppies...and i take care in making sure i am available to take a pup back.


if my "mutts" are desirable..then i guess so..if they didnt want them they wouldnt buy them and i wouldnt have bred another litter..because i wouldn't have had a waiting list

really doesnt matter what i say..it wont be agreeable or acceptable by the standards on Yt

i understand the rescues not wanting the pups to go back in the system if not placed properly..and this is a discussion i have often with people i know in the rescue groups...if they lightened up on the qualifications just slightly and say that got 10 dogs adopted and 1 came back..thats a huge improvement..but denying all 10 and missing out on the 9 perfect homes is a failure..even if 2 came back its a huge improvement it made room for 8 more dogs to come in and get a home.

if you stopped breeding I agree it wouldn't put much of a dent in the market, same as if we could just put one pet shop out of business it wouldn't put much of a dent in the puppy mill operations, but it would be a step in the right direction.

Sure rescue groups could "lighten up on the qualifications" but, it is far better to have 10 dogs adopted and none coming back, which is more likely with the qualifications they have for adoptions. Why risk even one coming back?

I'm done with this thread, as my mother used to say "there is none so blind as those who will not see" and you will never get it!

[shamrocks]

Coming at this from an outsiders point of view, I would have to say that both Tammy8833 and Mardelin made some good points. I do not know all of the dynamics that go on behind the scenes of YT nor do I care to know. I did not see anything wrong with saying hey even though I did not address my elders that way, I find myself saying hey a lot when I forgot someone’s name. I think that Mardelin is respect on this form and in the Yorkshire terrier show/ breeding world, but I do not ever think that someone is superior to me. The only one I place on such a high pedestal would be my maker. I do not know either of these two women and I do not place one above the other. I don’t agree with mix breeding, but I see a lot of pure breed dogs in shelters to. I don’t think it is right to judge someone saying that they are in it for the money without knowing them, and since I do not know Tammy8833 I will not comment on her breeding practices, maybe some of you know more that I do. I try to read and look at it from all side and this is just what I saw.

[Poshible]

I was going to make a point about when I was looking for my puppy. I spent weeks looking, an NO I was not looking for a show dog, but I had to have a good representation of the breed. I wanted my baby to look like a Yorkshire Terrier. It is that simple. Although, my point was made for me a couple times over. No, money was not an issue for me...but we did not pay $3,000 for my girl either. Nowhere close, and I have full registration because I understand the responsibility and would never breed this baby. Like Mardelin said "I hold their life in my hands" can you look at it that way? It is not about money, it should be about love. Do you test your breeding dogs? And what for? You never clarified that...?

I am sorry if you feel attacked but it is a serious issue.

[tammy8833]

when i stated 3000.00 i was speaking show quality with all the testing and i was bit high on my number for that your probably looking 2000+

i have a quality akc unlimited male i paid 1000.00
and a gorgeous female akc unlimited i paid less for..

no i dont test..to answer your question..if i did..my prices would be WAY more...

[Poshible]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

when i stated 3000.00 i was speaking show quality with all the testing and i was bit high on my number for that your probably looking 2000+

i have a quality akc unlimited male i paid 1000.00
and a gorgeous female akc unlimited i paid less for..

no i dont test..to answer your question..if i did..my prices would be WAY more...

Well...settles that.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

when i stated 3000.00 i was speaking show quality with all the testing and i was bit high on my number for that your probably looking 2000+

i have a quality akc unlimited male i paid 1000.00
and a gorgeous female akc unlimited i paid less for..

no i dont test..to answer your question..if i did..my prices would be WAY more...

Guess what, you can buy a nice show dog from a YTCA member for about that.

[Deuce]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

when i stated 3000.00 i was speaking show quality with all the testing and i was bit high on my number for that your probably looking 2000+

i have a quality akc unlimited male i paid 1000.00
and a gorgeous female akc unlimited i paid less for..

no i dont test..to answer your question..if i did..my prices would be WAY more...

How do you know he's quality if you don't test?

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i disagree

i think more makes the person i have many different roles in my life..

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Integrity, responsibility, ethics are carried into every aspect of ones life. It's these things that make up our Character.

I'm sorry, but IMO Mary is right on this one. I'm not and never could be a breeder, so I look at things through a buyers eyes.
I think breeding practices are MOST definitely a reflection on character. It's a matter of perspective and and the ethics and practices of a breeder are what any buyer has to evaluate and judge who they are looking at to purchase a pet.

You don't breed AKC, you cross breed, you don't test your dogs, etc..

If you looked at the sum total of your comments to people on this post alone, in my mind I would conclude that you breed for profit. It's not about showing, it's not about betterment of the breed. Your reason is you enjoy it
It just sounds like a lot of excuses and rationalizing breeding practices that many don't agree with.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Poshible

Well...settles that.

Solidifies it for me too.

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Enjoying breeding is just a lame excuse for making a buck off the back of your dogs. It is inexcusable IMO to even try to raise yourself to the level of the show breeders on this forum. Anyone that mixes breeds when the shelters are over run with poorly breed dogs dying every day for the sole purpose of creative puppies for sale is just low. There is no accountability for all of the dogs that are dying every day. Have you ever visited your local shelter? Seen all of the scared innocent faces pleading to save their lives? Have you held in your arm a sick dog who is so weak from lack of proper care that you didn't think he would make it through the night? Do you know what it is like to pick up your dog and feel the LP popping in their legs? Have you donated your time or money to a rescue to help with the care of irresponsible breeders? Have you cried because you knew a dog would die because there was no room for him? That is what goes on daily in shelters and rescues all over this country. As I am sitting here I see all of the pleas for help popping up from Facebook contacts. This dog is in danger, this one has been hit by a car, this one had puppies and is dying. It becomes overwhelming. Then I come here and see lame arguments about why someone wants to breed a Porkie.

As for the "closet" breeders they should stay in their closets. Hopefully, someone will prop a great big chair under the doorknob and they can stay there forever. Mixing and breeding substandard dogs adds to the crisis in this country.

I think its a great idea that you chip each and every one of your puppies so if they end up in a kill shelter the local rescue will to be further overrun with cast off from irresponsible breeding practices. They can call you and you can step up and bring that dog back to health.


Breeding should be a privilege and so many feel it's their right. It's a lifelong (for the dogs) decision that should be taken very seriously.

You should be part of the solution and not part of the problem.

Excellent, excellent post Jodi. Love how you summed it up in the last two paragraphs.

I also agree completely with Mary - integrity, ethics and responsibility are part of what make us the person we are. They're part of every aspect of one's life, they're not just reflected in how well or - in this case - how poorly one chooses to breed.

There is no integrity involved when one chooses what to breed simply because that mix sells and brings in more money. There is no responsibility involved when one sells a puppy with no prior screening, veterinary history, etc. of a potential new home for the life you caused to be created. There are no ethics involved when a puppy is placed without proper health testing or a thorough knowledge of pedigrees and ancestors.

I realize that the mighty $$$ has deafened and blinded many greeders from doing what they KNOW is right, but hopefully this thread will help educate those who are willing to listen and learn.

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by Poshible

Well...settles that.

I'd just like to welcome you to YT. I think you have a lot to offer our little community. Glad to meet you!

Bonny

[Roccosmommy]

Originally Posted by Roccosmommy

You get what you pay for...and it might mean tons of money and lots of heartache down the road if you get an ill-bred puppy. I'd say don't even consider buying from this woman.

Originally Posted by hugz4all4

I really dislike this statment..Im not defending this 'breeder" at all, but you can spend thousands of dollars and get a sick dog. I have never paid over 600 hundred dollars for my "pets".. they are not show quality and other than a few belly aches and a ear infections.. they all have been relativly healthy. If you are only looking for a pet quality dog, then why is it so wrong to only spend a hundreds of dollars on a dog and not thousands???

i agree with most of what has been posted about this topic, you should probably look for another breeder.

I agree with you completely - rereading my statement, it doesn't reflect what I intended. I should have said you get what you pay for in this case, factoring in all of the other red flags. I firmly believe that the health of the pup is not always related to the price. I also didn't pay a ton of money for Rocco. Sorry if I offended.

[celstu1]

Originally Posted by Nasdaq_Diva

I know..the price sounds soooo good though! I've been w/o Molly (I found her, returned her) for about 4 months now. I really can't afford $1k+ on a dog right now.

If you can't afford the cost of a well bred quality yorkie, then you can't afford the cost of the vet for an ill bred not quality yorkie. Keep that in mind! You know what to do here. Wait and save and when you are ready to spend the $$ on a well bred yorkie, you will find your dream baby!
There is a chance that you could get a healthy, happy, well adjusted pup from her, but do you want to take that chance? My boys were not thousands of $$ either. They cost $700 each. The first year alone between buying them and the medical stuff they needed, vet appts, vaccines (2x) and neuters, I spent about $3,000. And that was for 2 healthy happy pups!

[Babbs3772]

Hi, I know I am new and I have been following this thread quietly...well in theory, if you were at home with me you would see that I am cursing like a sailor!

I am always saddened when I see mix breeds being sold, there are so many animals available at rescues and such.

To breed two different breeds is to be an irresponsible person who is contributing to the over population of pets. To take make money for these animals is pathetic and I would think the poster would be ashamed for what she is doing. However, I see that is not the case and not even a message from the Heavens is going to change her mind.

While I realize that the person who doing such breeding on this thread may never get it nor change her practices I hope that I (and others) can do the right thing and educate and encourage those who might be taken in by the thought of a mixed breed to reconsider and to not buy these mixes. Instead to visit rescues and Humane societies.

Oh and yes we are entitled our opinions, you are entitled to feel that you are right no matter what the cost to these little creatures, but...I think it should be expected that lovers of a breed - any breed would react and feel the same way, not just Yorkie Talk.