I hope this isn't a dumb question..

[Rachael x]

Okay...

First off I didnt see anything wrong with Tammy saying 'Hey'.
If it was me I would have probably included a name so it was obvious who you were addressing, but thats just me.
We all come from different parts of the world, not just different parts of the country.
And we all speak in different ways (I can assure you that if you all heard my voice you wouldnt be able to understand a word I was saying )
But this needs to be remembered when you are using an internet forum, its just polite to call someone by their own name.
I think the whole 'Hey' thing could have been settled long ago if Tammy had simply said "Sorry didnt mean to cause any offense" and be done with it.
But its obvious it is much more then that.

Respect is earned and Tammy judging by your breeding ethics im sorry to say I dont think you deserve much respect.
You are open in saying that you are in this for the money and not for the betterment of the breed, do you realise how greedy and selfish that is? or dont you care?
You say you enjoy breeding, do you think your dogs enjoy breeding? I doubt it.
And do you know how risky breeding is? especially when you arnt bothering to do any kind of tests on your animals? do you even care if your girl dies or one of your pups are born with a serious condition?

You are exploiting your animals and it makes me sick to my stomach.

[Poshible]

Originally Posted by BonBon

I'd just like to welcome you to YT. I think you have a lot to offer our little community. Glad to meet you!

Bonny

Thank you :-) Glad to be here.

I have nothing left to say about Tammy and the breeding ethics she has. Clearly there is no remorse about it what so ever. That is just a sad thought for me!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Poshible

Thank you :-) Glad to be here.

I have nothing left to say about Tammy and the breeding ethics she has. Clearly there is no remorse about it what so ever. That is just a sad thought for me!

Lindsey,

I was reading your past posts and read that you have a young child. And in reading this I read other's made mention of reluctance of breeders placing a pup in a family with young children. I will say I am one of those breeders, but with a caviat.

Last year I had a mother and son family contact me for a pup. My initial instinct was to say no. What I did do is ask her to come visit and bring her son for the initial meet and greet. When they arrived and what I witnessed over the hour they spent with me and the pups, taught me a new lesson. When mother and son entered the house, the son removed his shoes without being asked, so did his mother. I then led them to the area where the pups could be viewed and interacted with. Without being asked the boy immediately sat on the floor and flattened himself out so the pups could climb all over him. He went into a fit of giggles, handling the pups ever so gently. At one point one of the pups grabbed on and nipped him. He never screamed or yelled, just looked at his mom and asked her to get the pup loose. The came back for several visits and needless to say I let one of my pups go home with him.

Every breeder has a set of rules to insure their pups go to the best possible homes. But, each set of circumstances is unique in itself. If I had of held fast and firm to my rules, little Jedi (the young boy is a Star War's fan) would have missed out on the perfect home, where he is smothered with love and given the best possible care.

[celstu1]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

You talk about breeding like it is a hobby like crochet or knitting -- something you like to do for fun and socializing. You kind of want it to turn out okay, but if you drop a stitch, or breed carelessly, who cares, right? As long as they are selling, it's all good? Breeding is so much more. It is a huge responsibility. It is picking the best representatives of the breed you can find, making sure to align complimentary characteristics, getting them evaluated for conformation, having the vet run tests for potential genetic problems, checking the hips, knees and spine, blood work. Then it is timing and patience to get that litter whelped with the minimum of problems and then finding the perfect families that will have the same high regard for their well-being. Its learning, studying and picking the brains of those who have done it RIGHT before you, hoping they will mentor you along your way. I skipped the whole process of showing in there -- showing is all about determining if the dogs ARE good enough to breed. It is an evaluation process. This is something I want to include if I ever breed again. I see the importance of this step in getting others' input and assessment of your breeding efforts.

To take any two dogs, regardless of meeting the standard for their breed or even being the same breed, and breeding them just because you can sell them....that is being in it for the money! Did you not read when I explained there being a demand for something does not make it right? Is it right for people to sell drugs? Of course not! But people will buy! Just as you said. You do it because they are selling better than the full yorkies. Maybe your full yorkies are not being bred correctly either?

What you are doing is not caring about the future of the breed. It is diluting the gene pool! Next thing you know, one of those mixes comes out looking all yorkie, the new owner sends in a picture and gets them a nice little CKC registration paper. Then they breed their mix like it was a pure bred yorkie, the pups come out with pointy little snouts and hair as thick as a lion mane.....where did that come from? Next generation breeds again, and the puppies look less and less like that Yorkshire Terrier standard set forth by the YTCA. 20-30 years go by and now you have a whole area of the country where you can hardly find a Yorkie that looks like it is suppose to. I wonder how many of your puppies descendents will wind up in shelters, pounds, and rescues. When I looked for my first yorkie, I found a lot that did not have it -- they had obviously gotten a mix somewhere in their background and it changed their appearance. That was when I first started learning about CKC, APRI, and some of the other penny ante registries. That is when I decided I wanted to learn more! There are plenty of people willing to share their knowlege with you on this site. You can learn something new every day. All you have to do is open your mind and realize it is no crime to look up to someone for what they have accomplished. It is no crime to change direction and start doing things right. Many of us have had to re-evaluate and maybe do things a little better next time around. Mistakes are made, but if we learn from them, change and do better -- progress is also made.

I love this post. This is the basics that I hear and think of when I think of cross breeding. I am not a breeder, I have absolutely ZERO education of breeding. Common sense tells me things about cross breeding the Yorkie or any other breed.

- You dilute the gene pool, you now have 2 types of dogs, each with their own genetic problems and mix them together, so now you have a pup with more genetic problems than the original 2 breeds have. Later down the road, their puppies have those problems and then breed them back to a full bred Yorkie again and now the YT breed has a NEW genetic problem that it never had before.

If you love Yorkies and you love Poms, why would you HURT both those breed's futures by doing what you are doing?

I hate hate getting into posts like this that I know will be shut down, plus I don't like speaking up on something I know nothing about.... I think if you love breeding you can breed Yorkies to Yorkies and Poms to Poms and get some BEAUTIFUL pups and sell them for the same prices that you do now. As for show vs pet quality... just breed your pups to the best of your ability and sell them for what you want to sell them for. It cost you no extra money to have pups from a yorkiepom than to have pups from a yorkie or a Pom. See what i'm saying? You can make a difference. Please make one in a responsible way for yourself, your customers and the health of the breed of the dog.

[gemy]

I would like to add, that in terms of testing, if the breeder doesn't health test the breeding pair, what is the likelihood of a responsible follow up on that breeders part, about the health of the pups? Not everyone who owns a pup from a breeder, thinks to email, call or write the breeder should there be health issues. Should the breeder not follow up on the health of the pups, there may be health problems they remain unaware of in their lines.

Next it is unlikely the health guarantee is any kind of real guarantee if there is one offered at all.

How well will this kind of breeder stand behind their pups, if the buyer has questions or concerns?

Some additional food for thought when researching breeders.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Reese1

I'm sorry, but IMO Mary is right on this one. I'm not and never could be a breeder, so I look at things through a buyers eyes.
I think breeding practices are MOST definitely a reflection on character. It's a matter of perspective and and the ethics and practices of a breeder are what any buyer has to evaluate and judge who they are looking at to purchase a pet.

You don't breed AKC, you cross breed, you don't test your dogs, etc..

If you looked at the sum total of your comments to people on this post alone, in my mind I would conclude that you breed for profit. It's not about showing, it's not about betterment of the breed. Your reason is you enjoy it
It just sounds like a lot of excuses and rationalizing breeding practices that many don't agree with.

damn i am an awful person, i breed, i breed cross mixes and i dont test...i wonder wants next for me...hmmm....

i dont need nor want peoples approval..i do it because i want to
and if you think that makes me a horrible person then so be it..from many post on YT i get the impression of alot of egotistical snobs, who get away with being extremely rude for reasons i wont name on this open forum

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Babbs3772

Hi, I know I am new and I have been following this thread quietly...well in theory, if you were at home with me you would see that I am cursing like a sailor!

I am always saddened when I see mix breeds being sold, there are so many animals available at rescues and such.

To breed two different breeds is to be an irresponsible person who is contributing to the over population of pets. To take make money for these animals is pathetic and I would think the poster would be ashamed for what she is doing. However, I see that is not the case and not even a message from the Heavens is going to change her mind.

While I realize that the person who doing such breeding on this thread may never get it nor change her practices I hope that I (and others) can do the right thing and educate and encourage those who might be taken in by the thought of a mixed breed to reconsider and to not buy these mixes. Instead to visit rescues and Humane societies.

Oh and yes we are entitled our opinions, you are entitled to feel that you are right no matter what the cost to these little creatures, but...I think it should be expected that lovers of a breed - any breed would react and feel the same way, not just Yorkie Talk.

sorry but i havent hurt anyone or anything..."no animals were hurt in the placing process "

you can say i am to blame for the dogs in shelters but since all the dogs i have placed have homes..im not to blame..o but you can blame me if it makes you feel better

[Poshible]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Lindsey,

I was reading your past posts and read that you have a young child. And in reading this I read other's made mention of reluctance of breeders placing a pup in a family with young children. I will say I am one of those breeders, but with a caviat.

Last year I had a mother and son family contact me for a pup. My initial instinct was to say no. What I did do is ask her to come visit and bring her son for the initial meet and greet. When they arrived and what I witnessed over the hour they spent with me and the pups, taught me a new lesson. When mother and son entered the house, the son removed his shoes without being asked, so did his mother. I then led them to the area where the pups could be viewed and interacted with. Without being asked the boy immediately sat on the floor and flattened himself out so the pups could climb all over him. He went into a fit of giggles, handling the pups ever so gently. At one point one of the pups grabbed on and nipped him. He never screamed or yelled, just looked at his mom and asked her to get the pup loose. The came back for several visits and needless to say I let one of my pups go home with him.

Every breeder has a set of rules to insure their pups go to the best possible homes. But, each set of circumstances is unique in itself. If I had of held fast and firm to my rules, little Jedi (the young boy is a Star War's fan) would have missed out on the perfect home, where he is smothered with love and given the best possible care.

Yes, I do have a 4 year old. But I can not defend breeders that willingly let Yorkies go to homes with small children either. Let me make sense of that:

We had to bring him to the breeders house to pick up Selphie as well. Sad story, I have a 12 year old little sister and when she was 3 threw our little boy Jacob down a flight of stairs (He was a yorkie). He made it, but had brain damage. My parents rehomed him with my grandmother. I, myself would not let one of these pups go home with a family that has kids because of that. Which is why I could never breed :-) and teach my son valuable lessons of treatment to anything and everything from animals to his toys. He knows how to handle his emotions at 4 years old. When he is mad, he breathes and responds softly for example...it is so adorable. But-he is a rare example of children. His friends do not act this way. Nor did I as a child.

When I was looking for Selphie I made sure the breeder asked me several questions. If they were not iffy upon hearing about my son, I was not interested in them because for all they knew he could be a heathen, and freely letting such a small baby go with him is not what I believe in. Luckily he is not. When we got there he asked to pick up a puppy, then sat down next to her and the mommy pup and called them to him instead of grabbing for them. They had him spend time with the dogs while we watched from the other room to see if he would act differently and he did not, he was trying to teach them "sit". My son, again, is a rare example though, because of his lifestyle I trust him. He has raised our farm animals with me since being born--he bottle fed them right beside me. That does in no way make me think that it is suitable for a Yorkie to be homed with children. It is by circumstance.

Hope that explains a little bit :-) I have pictures up of him with my animals as well.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Rachael x

Okay...

First off I didnt see anything wrong with Tammy saying 'Hey'.
If it was me I would have probably included a name so it was obvious who you were addressing, but thats just me.
We all come from different parts of the world, not just different parts of the country.
And we all speak in different ways (I can assure you that if you all heard my voice you wouldnt be able to understand a word I was saying )
But this needs to be remembered when you are using an internet forum, its just polite to call someone by their own name.
I think the whole 'Hey' thing could have been settled long ago if Tammy had simply said "Sorry didnt mean to cause any offense" and be done with it.
But its obvious it is much more then that.

Respect is earned and Tammy judging by your breeding ethics im sorry to say I dont think you deserve much respect.
You are open in saying that you are in this for the money and not for the betterment of the breed, do you realise how greedy and selfish that is? or dont you care?
You say you enjoy breeding, do you think your dogs enjoy breeding? I doubt it.
And do you know how risky breeding is? especially when you arnt bothering to do any kind of tests on your animals? do you even care if your girl dies or one of your pups are born with a serious condition?

You are exploiting your animals and it makes me sick to my stomach.

umm..thanks for the first paragraph

I am not appologizing for saying Hey..absurd considering the post was QUOTED how could anyone miss who i was addressing

im not greedy..call me evil whatever makes you feel better about it...

i care about my dogs, i take care of my dogs, they are spoiled and so are there puppies..but no i dont get in to the showing, the $$$ testing, etc...

i guess i do it for me..i like the puppies and yes i get a little cash for them..big whop im horrible..

respect me dont respect me i have lost tons of respect over the years for MANY yt members, i just dont voice it. i have manners and a conscience and i try to be nice to everyone.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

damn i am an awful person, i breed, i breed cross mixes and i dont test...i wonder wants next for me...hmmm....

i dont need nor want peoples approval..i do it because i want to
and if you think that makes me a horrible person then so be it..from many post on YT i get the impression of alot of egotistical snobs, who get away with being extremely rude for reasons i wont name on this open forum

The thing I don't understand is that you seem to want to brag about your poor breeding practices. You're probably no different than many of the breeders here, however you seem to love to boast about it. You call us egotistical snobs, yet you seem to be the one that doing all the bragging. By the way, some would consider calling someone an egotistical snob "rude".

[Lizzie07]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

this is absurd

i am new to akc i wanted to know about the micrcochipping..

..some people like cross breeds some do not..i do it because i enjoy
i have never had a problem with selling them..i literally have a litter of yorkipoms now 3 and 4 yorkies..the yorkiepoms were are sold before they were born...2 to a lady that got one before and i had to CHOOSE btw 2 other families for the 3rd one... yet i still have yorkies available.
i look at it this way..if they didnt sell i wouldnt do it...doesnt really matter..the female is getting fixed and i have no more of her line..i thought about breeding one of her boys to another female but i havent decided that..i would like to continue her line because it has been so popular for me.

i had CKC to start with..if i didnt care would i have not moved on to AKC??? i am not against mixing but doest make me not care about the breed but i view it differently. im into pets..not show dogs..i dont believe that they should only be bred for shows..there are many people out there that want yorkies and i dont think its right to limit them because someone else thinks they shouldnt because they have kids or dont fit their questionaire or cant afford 3000.00 for a show quality yorkie...my reasons are different then the show breeders


there are others that agree with me but dont feel comfortable to post it

I don't understand, with all you've said, why you even bother with AKC? If crosses are acceptable to breed, why bother with AKC? Obviously, you can sell anything.

[tammy8833]

"Thank you :-) Glad to be here.

I have nothing left to say about Tammy and the breeding ethics she has. Clearly there is no remorse about it what so ever. That is just a sad thought for me!"

i like the ignore button

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by celstu1

I love this post. This is the basics that I hear and think of when I think of cross breeding. I am not a breeder, I have absolutely ZERO education of breeding. Common sense tells me things about cross breeding the Yorkie or any other breed.

- You dilute the gene pool, you now have 2 types of dogs, each with their own genetic problems and mix them together, so now you have a pup with more genetic problems than the original 2 breeds have. Later down the road, their puppies have those problems and then breed them back to a full bred Yorkie again and now the YT breed has a NEW genetic problem that it never had before.

If you love Yorkies and you love Poms, why would you HURT both those breed's futures by doing what you are doing?

I hate hate getting into posts like this that I know will be shut down, plus I don't like speaking up on something I know nothing about.... I think if you love breeding you can breed Yorkies to Yorkies and Poms to Poms and get some BEAUTIFUL pups and sell them for the same prices that you do now. As for show vs pet quality... just breed your pups to the best of your ability and sell them for what you want to sell them for. It cost you no extra money to have pups from a yorkiepom than to have pups from a yorkie or a Pom. See what i'm saying? You can make a difference. Please make one in a responsible way for yourself, your customers and the health of the breed of the dog.

i like both poms and yorkies
and my first dog was mixed with both and she makes a striking pet...and i have had many demands for her..and her puppies

[celstu1]

Tammy I am reading this post and feeling terrible. First I want to say that this read like a ping pong match with you on one side and about 15 people on the other side. I also feel bad when I read some of things like you thinking that someone said or insinuated that your dogs are a poor representation of the breed. I just want you to know that I think that pup in your avatar is adorable. Although I don't agree with your breeding practices. I wanted to let you know that I think your pup is pretty darn cute. I know if someone made me feel like my yorkie was not 'the cutest dog in the world' ... I would be hugging them and hugging them and telling them over and over again that they are! (my boys probably ARE a poor representation of the breed, but in my eyes they are such beautiful souls!)

Please think of what you are doing... it took guts to come out and talk blatantly the way you are especially here where you KNEW it would lead to this. This is a great opportunity to get help and set yourself up as a breeder who does not have to do it 'in the closet' and can be PROUD enough to post her pups on YT whenever she wants.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

The thing I don't understand is that you seem to want to brag about your poor breeding practices. You're probably no different than many of the breeders here, however you seem to love to boast about it. You call us egotistical snobs, yet you seem to be the one that doing all the bragging. By the way, some would consider calling someone an egotistical snob "rude".

i have not bragged...i have stated again and again
i am happy how i choose to do things..and because we dont agree doesnt make me a bad person which is what some posters are trying to say

i just keep commenting on the different post so it keeps coming out. its not a brag but i have no complaints

added: but i am sick of the sour attitudes ..if you are not a yt follower you arent welcomed..your views and opinions are not welcomed...you are a horrible person who is beneathe everyone else because you do not practice and follow their ways. its supposed to be community for yorkie lovers of all kinds..just because i dont follow the strick guidelines of others that have doesnt mean i dont love the breed..if i didnt i would have something else.