I hope this isn't a dumb question..

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Enjoying breeding is just a lame excuse for making a buck off the back of your dogs. It is inexcusable IMO to even try to raise yourself to the level of the show breeders on this forum. Anyone that mixes breeds when the shelters are over run with poorly breed dogs dying every day for the sole purpose of creative puppies for sale is just low. There is no accountability for all of the dogs that are dying every day. Have you ever visited your local shelter? Seen all of the scared innocent faces pleading to save their lives? Have you held in your arm a sick dog who is so weak from lack of proper care that you didn't think he would make it through the night? Do you know what it is like to pick up your dog and feel the LP popping in their legs? Have you donated your time or money to a rescue to help with the care of irresponsible breeders? Have you cried because you knew a dog would die because there was no room for him? That is what goes on daily in shelters and rescues all over this country. As I am sitting here I see all of the pleas for help popping up from Facebook contacts. This dog is in danger, this one has been hit by a car, this one had puppies and is dying. It becomes overwhelming. Then I come here and see lame arguments about why someone wants to breed a Porkie.

As for the "closet" breeders they should stay in their closets. Hopefully, someone will prop a great big chair under the doorknob and they can stay there forever. Mixing and breeding substandard dogs adds to the crisis in this country.

I think its a great idea that you chip each and every one of your puppies so if they end up in a kill shelter the local rescue will to be further overrun with cast off from irresponsible breeding practices. They can call you and you can step up and bring that dog back to health.


Breeding should be a privilege and so many feel it's their right. It's a lifelong (for the dogs) decision that should be taken very seriously.

You should be part of the solution and not part of the problem.

i am not trying to hold my self to the standards of show breeders...think what you want...

its not adding to the crisis if they are homed...if they didnt purchase my puppy they would have purchased someone elses...if people want shelter dogs they will adopt them

i have worked with shelters, my mom was on the board of directors until she got breast cancer...i started volunteering at 12 stopped before i had my second child

i do not feel part of a problem
there are more problems with the shelters dogs then people who breed and sell...there are the people who are to lazy to not fix and buy 2 mutts to live in the back yard and have an oops..and just drop them off/give them away..there are the people who choose not to adopt, there are the adoption qualifications that hinder people and prices some are fair some are way off base.

i understand and respect the decisions of people who do not approve of breeding, mixing, purchasing instead of adopting...i know there are people who think everyone should adopt and not buy ...but thats a choice people have and make...and the reality is people choose to purchase.

sure i get a little profit...wha hoo..i made $500.00 here and there..then you count in food, vet care, grooming, etc..and really i didnt it all goes back into the dogs..i did purchase a puppy with 2 litters (those are my AKC yorkies)

[tammy8833]

i wanted to state that i have nothing against microchipping..and being required to..i just want to know if i had to or not..none of the akc dogs i purchased were and i have never heard about it..so glad i called akc to check

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

well it was explained improperly originally and the correct info is located on the AKC website and through their employees...

i know that my AKC dogs do not have to be identified. i know that any future puppies do not either..i do need to keep correct records of the parents and the ages etc..collars and tags are fine for identifying if visited by AKC since i will never have 20 dogs or show

im just not defending my self anymore..think what you want...say what you want..i know who i am and dont need anyone's approval or to be corrected by others..if i need to get answers i will go directly to the source from now on..i have all of AKC phone numbers now NY and NC

i have been here long enough to know when to comment on something and not..if your view is not the RIGHT view it will be a never ending clash

Tammy,

What the AKC says over the phone and what an AKC rep will write you up for are two different things. You don't have 20 dogs, it may be just a minimum of 2. They must be permanently ID'd. I know I've been there. You don't even have tyo have 10 litters in 1 year, all you need is one, to have the AKC rep land on your porch.

But, let me commend you in acquiring information prior to breeding AKC. But, go one step further, request all written documentation associated with the regulations, you can down load it.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Breeding practices speaks volumes of ones character.

i disagree

i think more makes the person i have many different roles in my life..

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Responsible rescue chip all of their dogs. They want to be able to keep track if for some reason they were ever back in a shelter. Responsible breeders should also do the same. It should just standard of care for a breeder to have a trail so that they will always be notified if one of their dogs ends up in harms way. It would IMO be going above and beyond the minimum requirement.

Yes, both Reno and Clover are microchipped (as are all Little Dog Resuce dogs), when they are adopted out (and Clover may have her forever home on Saturday), the microchip registrations will be transferred to their new owners.

When I fostered dachsies, the original ones were before microchipping was so widespread, they were tattooed by the Hillsborough county animal services so if they went missing they would be traced back to them.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i am not trying to hold my self to the standards of show breeders...think what you want...

its not adding to the crisis if they are homed...if they didnt purchase my puppy they would have purchased someone elses...if people want shelter dogs they will adopt them

i have worked with shelters, my mom was on the board of directors until she got breast cancer...i started volunteering at 12 stopped before i had my second child

i do not feel part of a problem
there are more problems with the shelters dogs then people who breed and sell...there are the people who are to lazy to not fix and buy 2 mutts to live in the back yard and have an oops..and just drop them off/give them away..there are the people who choose not to adopt, there are the adoption qualifications that hinder people and prices some are fair some are way off base.

i understand and respect the decisions of people who do not approve of breeding, mixing, purchasing instead of adopting...i know there are people who think everyone should adopt and not buy ...but thats a choice people have and make...and the reality is people choose to purchase.

sure i get a little profit...wha hoo..i made $500.00 here and there..then you count in food, vet care, grooming, etc..and really i didnt it all goes back into the dogs..i did purchase a puppy with 2 litters (those are my AKC yorkies)

It just amazes me that you cannot wrap your brain around what I just said to you. Let me put it plain and simple.........
your breeding mixes makes YOU PART OF THE PROBLEM!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i disagree

i think more makes the person i have many different roles in my life..

Integrity, responsibility, ethics are carried into every aspect of ones life. It's these things that make up our Character.

[tammy8833]

o someone commented on the looks of my yorkies and maybe thats why they arent selling as fast the "porkies" .... im not having any trouble selling them either..and they look like yorkies...they are not poor representations

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i am not trying to hold my self to the standards of show breeders...think what you want...

its not adding to the crisis if they are homed...if they didnt purchase my puppy they would have purchased someone elses...if people want shelter dogs they will adopt them

i have worked with shelters, my mom was on the board of directors until she got breast cancer...i started volunteering at 12 stopped before i had my second child

i do not feel part of a problem
there are more problems with the shelters dogs then people who breed and sell...there are the people who are to lazy to not fix and buy 2 mutts to live in the back yard and have an oops..and just drop them off/give them away..there are the people who choose not to adopt, there are the adoption qualifications that hinder people and prices some are fair some are way off base.

i understand and respect the decisions of people who do not approve of breeding, mixing, purchasing instead of adopting...i know there are people who think everyone should adopt and not buy ...but thats a choice people have and make...and the reality is people choose to purchase.

sure i get a little profit...wha hoo..i made $500.00 here and there..then you count in food, vet care, grooming, etc..and really i didnt it all goes back into the dogs..i did purchase a puppy with 2 litters (those are my AKC yorkies)

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"if they didn't purchase my puppy they would have purchased someone else's"
True - and that is always the excuse of greeders.

"I do not feel part of the problem"

But you are part of the problem whether you feel it or not.

"mutts" - isn't that what a mixed breed "designer dog" is??? is it Ok for them to buy 2 mutts from you then?
Yes, there are adoption qualifications that hinder people from adopting - same as there are adoption qualifications for humans that hinder them from adopting. The qualifications are for a very good reason, the shelters and rescue groups do not want the dogs to end up back in rescue.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

It just amazes me that you cannot wrap your brain around what I just said to you. Let me put it plain and simple.........
your breeding mixes makes YOU PART OF THE PROBLEM!

you are very pro rescue which is great

i would love to foster when my kids grow up and rescue and rehabilitate and i know that there are some people who are VERY dedicated to rescues and take to heart when there are other people who are not as dedicated to rescues and shelters in the same degree.


rescues view it as if i didnt breed then there would be ..say 20 dogs rescued from the shelter..DOUBTFUL..those people would have just found another puppy some where else..people who WANT to BUY a puppy will..and people who want to adopt, will...

i know when i want a dog im looking for a specific dog and im looking for a breeder

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

"
"if they didn't purchase my puppy they would have purchased someone else's"
True - and that is always the excuse of greeders.

"I do not feel part of the problem"

But you are part of the problem whether you feel it or not.

"mutts" - isn't that what a mixed breed "designer dog" is??? is it Ok for them to buy 2 mutts from you then?
Yes, there are adoption qualifications that hinder people from adopting - same as there are adoption qualifications for humans that hinder them from adopting. The qualifications are for a very good reason, the shelters and rescue groups do not want the dogs to end up back in rescue.

This is one of my pet peeves: If a buyer was not able to adopt from a rescue why would you sell to them? Obviously for the money. Such a poor excuse for breeding. Raise the bar but then you will see fewer puppies.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

"
"if they didn't purchase my puppy they would have purchased someone else's"
True - and that is always the excuse of greeders.

"I do not feel part of the problem"

But you are part of the problem whether you feel it or not.

"mutts" - isn't that what a mixed breed "designer dog" is??? is it Ok for them to buy 2 mutts from you then?
Yes, there are adoption qualifications that hinder people from adopting - same as there are adoption qualifications for humans that hinder them from adopting. The qualifications are for a very good reason, the shelters and rescue groups do not want the dogs to end up back in rescue.

sorry i dont see my self as greedy..or a greeder as u put..

if i stop breeding..it wouldnt make a dent in the market of puppies...and i take care in making sure i am available to take a pup back.


if my "mutts" are desirable..then i guess so..if they didnt want them they wouldnt buy them and i wouldnt have bred another litter..because i wouldn't have had a waiting list

really doesnt matter what i say..it wont be agreeable or acceptable by the standards on Yt

i understand the rescues not wanting the pups to go back in the system if not placed properly..and this is a discussion i have often with people i know in the rescue groups...if they lightened up on the qualifications just slightly and say that got 10 dogs adopted and 1 came back..thats a huge improvement..but denying all 10 and missing out on the 9 perfect homes is a failure..even if 2 came back its a huge improvement it made room for 8 more dogs to come in and get a home.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

This is one of my pet peeves: If a buyer was not able to adopt from a rescue why would you sell to them? Obviously for the money. Such a poor excuse for breeding. Raise the bar but then you will see fewer puppies.

because they had kids
because they lived in an apt
because they didnt have a fenced in yard


those are a few reasons

[kdhawks]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

because they had kids
because they lived in an apt
because they didnt have a fenced in yard


those are a few reasons

Everyone slams rescues for the high standards they set forth for their adoptions, but most people don't realize that rescue organizations don't automatically reject you if you have kids, or live in an apartment, or don't have a fenced-in yard. My little guy is from a reputable rescue, but on paper, I wouldn't be their most "desirable" candidate. I am young, I live in an apartment and have no fenced-in yard. I qualified to adopt because when I met my dog, there was literally an instant connection and it was very obvious. Yes, maybe I went through a more rigorous interview process with more home visits and more checks than someone who was older or had a fenced-in yard, but I understand that. But I was honest about my situation, the rescue understood and worked with me, and I am still in contact with them. They are still happy they placed Levi with me.

Had I not qualified for this rescue, I still would have looked for an animal without a home (in fact, my other dog is the sweetest little "Heinz 57" I've ever met). There are just too many dogs without homes for me to support breeding without aiming to improve the breed.

[Rhetts_mama]

I have kids. I don't have a fenced yard. I got both mine from rescues.

Just gotta say before I leave this thread that saying "if I didn't sell them, they'd just go buy them from someone else" is one of the lamest excuses I've ever heard for doing anything. Well heck, I might as well start selling drugs because if I don't, they'll just buy them from someone else.