Differences between Biewer and Parti Yorkies?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Actually all the clubs agree they originated from standard colored Yorkies. . . . .

Again, another reason why the YTCA link is appropriate.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Actually all the clubs agree they originated from standard colored Yorkies.

True. (Although I have even seen other 'theories' suggested on even that...possibly just in an attempt to strengthen that particular stance though, if you know what I mean.) I meant as they currently stand, there's debate as to if they are pure Yorkie, for whatever reason. Wasn't real clear w/ my response.

[livingdustmops]

The link is not appropriate because the question is:

What is the difference between a Parti and a Biewer...Period.....End of Story!

I would not be opposed but the YTCA seems to find it appropriate to denigrate these dogs based on nothing. Now that books and stud books are available and people can see these pedigree's it makes no sense to have an organization spread further untruths. Plus their website doesn't even approach the Biewers so the original question cannot be answered.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

True. (Although I have even seen other 'theories' suggested on even that...possibly just in an attempt to strengthen that particular stance though, if you know what I mean.) I meant as they currently stand, there's debate as to if they are pure Yorkie, for whatever reason. Wasn't real clear w/ my response.

Oh come on...we all know that was to try and get into the backdoor of the AKC....for all the talk it has never been shown what the mix is and there is no documentation of what dogs were tested (just words typed on a website)...I know for a fact and have in my possession results of Biewers that tested 100% Yorkshire Terrier. Many of the original Biewer people in the US really wanted to show their dogs and they also knew it was for the "betterment of the breed" to get into the show ring so judges could help them with thier breeding dogs so instead of fighting city hall they allowed the dogs to be done as a different breed.

[SamanthaKim]

Biewers are so stinking cute! I never even heard of one until I stumbled across YT

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Again, another reason why the YTCA link is appropriate.

Nancy, we have moved off of the Link subject and are moving on to the subject at hand, stop beating a dead horse.

[Breezeaway]

Mr Biewers intentions are very clear, he was breeding for the tri colored yorkie, all one has to do is look at the pedigrees and see all the inbreeding he did with his yorkies.
In Americas Ferver to obtain these dogs and sell them they accepted anything that came over from Germany, Many of which were not purebreds. Germans bred some others in to keep up with the supply/demands of the USA.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Oh come on...we all know that was to try and get into the backdoor of the AKC....for all the talk it has never been shown what the mix is and there is no documentation of what dogs were tested (just words typed on a website)...I know for a fact and have in my possession results of Biewers that tested 100% Yorkshire Terrier. Many of the original Biewer people in the US really wanted to show their dogs and they also knew it was for the "betterment of the breed" to get into the show ring so judges could help them with thier breeding dogs so instead of fighting city hall they allowed the dogs to be done as a different breed.

Oh I know...preachin' to the choir, Cin.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

The link is not appropriate because the question is:

What is the difference between a Parti and a Biewer...Period.....End of Story!

I think that's what is causing all the confusion in this thread.

Compiling links to be pinned as a sticky in the library is a separate issue from answering the OP's question. It would be a resource for people who want to learn all about Parti Yorkies and Biewers, not just the differences between them.

I don't see how the YTCA link could not be included since Parti Yorkies are Yorkshire Terriers and the YTCA is the breed club.

[bchgirl]

Which came first the chicken or the egg???

Looks like this thread has come full circle...

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

I think that's what is causing all the confusion in this thread.

Compiling links to be pinned as a sticky in the library is a separate issue from answering the OP's question. It would be a resource for people who want to learn all about Parti Yorkies and Biewers, not just the differences between them.

I don't see how the YTCA link could not be included since Parti Yorkies are Yorkshire Terriers and the YTCA is the breed club.

If a link to the YTCA site if listed in the sticky, than maybe we should come up with a page of historic book links, historic photos and paintings, for quick referencing, so people can read for themselves how actual history contradicts some of the information that the YTCA has posted on their site?

Both the Colorful Yorkie and the parti yorkie websites have a links page, but some people may not think to review those pages (I for one, have a tendency to overlook the link pages on peoples websites).

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

The link is not appropriate because the question is:

What is the difference between a Parti and a Biewer...Period.....End of Story!

I would not be opposed but the YTCA seems to find it appropriate to denigrate these dogs based on nothing. Now that books and stud books are available and people can see these pedigree's it makes no sense to have an organization spread further untruths. Plus their website doesn't even approach the Biewers so the original question cannot be answered.

It's not just the YTCA, ever breed has a standard, and there are always those who would rather breed another variation. I'm not saying the YTCA should be the only link, the other sites have a chance to explain their side of the argument.

[BamaFan121s]

I think that maybe we should just forget the whole thing. Let new members have their questions answered by threads like this one. It seems so much more productive...

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

If a link to the YTCA site if listed in the sticky, than maybe we should come up with a page of historic book links, historic photos and paintings, for quick referencing, so people can read for themselves how actual history contradicts some of the information that the YTCA has posted on their site?

Both the Colorful Yorkie and the parti yorkie websites have a links page, but some people may not think to review those pages (I for one, have a tendency to overlook the link pages on peoples websites).

I think that's a great idea, Sue. I always appreciate your educational posts in these heated threads. You keep your cool and make a compelling argument for partis with pictures and history to back up your statements.

As I said before, I think those that defend parti's with wild accusations and conspiracy theories hurt the cause more than help it.

[livingdustmops]

This is what is posted on the YTCA website:
Parti-Color Yorkshire Terriers?
Do not be fooled into buying one of these dogs. Now that Designer Dogs are the rage, the “new” Parti-Color Yorkie is certain to draw attention. While we have had problems in the past with “rare gold” Yorkshire Terriers being advertised, the parti-color is a new one! While some breeds have an occasional mismark and some breeds do have a gene for a white dog, we do not. Had there been a problem with white markings, piebald dogs, or white dogs, it would have been addressed in our Standard. Due to unscrupulous breeders advertising parti-colored Yorkshire Terriers at premium prices, our members voted unanimously at our annual meeting to add a disqualification for these and other off colored dogs.
The AKC Breed Standard and YTCA Code of Ethics do not recognize any other color dogs than noted above. This includes all gold, born blue, liver also known as red or chocolate), and parti-colors. One of the reasons for avoiding breeding "off-colored" Yorkies is because it could be a genetic defect
that may affect the dog's health. Some health problems can include, but aren't limited to, severe skin problems, allergies, total hair loss and in some cases long-term illness and/or death.
******
So then after reading the above then it would be alright for Parti/Biewer Breeders to start saying YTCA members are liars and do not care about their dogs because they repeatedly bred them knowing LS was in the lines and didn't care because winning in the show ring is/was everything? How about dogs repeatedly bred with LP. Many of these top show breeders de-bark their dogs, many of these show breeders dogs never touch grass/ground until their show days are over. Or that some of the top dogs have been sold for over $10,000? Show me the proof where the colors of the dog (except for the blue born) could kill a dog...This is wrong and is just plain scare tactics. Designer Dogs???? These dogs had pedigree's from the Kennel Club of the UK.
Where is the education? Where is the possibilities...even they are putting down what Joan Gordon has said about the Parti's. She had Parti's in her lines. How dare they say these are all unscrupulous breeders when breeders have tried to do what is right with the Parti's and get them into the show ring and geez guess who won't allow them. I would love to know what the YTCA thought of Raymond Antonucci (Parquin lines) because he didn't have a problem walking into a show ring with his Parti Yorkies. If he was so disreputable why did YTCA breeders seek out his lines and used him to show their show dogs?
And frankly the only breeder/club/website that has provided proof of any kind is THE PARTI YORKSHIRE TERRIER CLUB - Home. She bought and paid for studbooks, she bought and paid for old books and numerous other things and has posted it on the website...I see no proof on the YTCA website what so ever but I see people dictating and trying to scare people without any proof....just opinions....nothing more.
A final thought:
Do you really think Nelson Mandela** wants to create a website celebrating his freedom and liberation and release. Should he thank those who always pushed for his freedom and rights? Or thank those who forever wanted to keep him suppressed, hidden, erased?

** South African anti-apartheid activist. The South African courts convicted him on charges of sabotage, as well as other alleged crimes committed while he led the movement against apartheid. Mandela served 27 years in prison; Mandela has received more than 250 awards over four decades, most notably the 1993 Nobel Peace Prize. He was the first South African president to be elected in a fully representative democratic election