Differences between Biewer and Parti Yorkies?

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by AprilLove

In all seriousness, is there going to be a sticky, Ann???

Yes, I would still like to see one bc for people new to Biewers/Partis - it's difficult for them to glean beginning info from a discussion thread.

I would like to keep it somewhat simple, yet informative. I don't feel it should be written by me, but rather by someone who has been involved deeply - as so many of you have been for quite a while now.

The tough part there, is the differing angles/opinions. Another option is to have 2 or 3 people each contribute a post to the sticky.

Or, MaryKay, like you said earlier (brilliantly ) - just keep it extremely simple, descriptive, and provide some links to various sources for reading.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

The Difference in the Parti Yorkie and the Biewer

As far back as we can trace the parti color has been in the Yorkshire Terrier. It is a recessive gene that can be explained very well at the Colorful Yorkie website. CYTC...Party Color
Now as to the difference of the two parti colored dogs, From my tracing of pedigrees and speaking to numerous people. The Biewers started with Mr. Biewer purchasing a stud dog in 1975 from Streamglen Kennels, Streamglen Richard. Nikkos Kennels purchased a couple of females from Streamglen, One being Streamglen Milady. At the time Streamglen was producing Champion status yorkies and were selling yorkies across the world and the United States.
Mr Biewer started breeding Ch. Streamglen Richard to all his Female Yorkshire Terriers trying to make his own mark by producing Champion quality yorkies that would come from his kennel. In his quest for champions, he did a lot of line and inbreeding. Then in January of 1984, a Parti colored Yorkshire Terrier was born from 2 of his Champion dogs line bred from Streamglen Richard. Darling and FruFru.
On the other side of the ocean was Nikko’s Kennels were doing the exact same thing, breeding for Champion Yorkies. Nikkos purchased their Champion male(Ch. Quarnhill Fusspot) from Stoneybrook Kennels in 1971 and bred him to Streamglen Milady, the female they obtained from Streamglen Kennels. Nikkos then began producing Champion Yorkies and continued to line breed also. In the 80’s Parti colored Yorkies started showing up in Nikkos kennels also, Gloria couldn’t bear to put the pups down so she passed them out the back door as pets and told them not to say where they got them(her own words).
Mr. Biewer did get his first ones registered with VDH but they designated them wrong color not for breeding, he wanted his adorable dogs to be shown so he went in search of a club that would accept them as a separate breed because they could not be shown as Yorkshire Terriers. The ACH was the first club to accept them as a distinct and separate breed. The dogs were then registered as Biewer Yorkshire A la Pon Pom. They originally had docked tails but Germany passed a law against docking so the tails then remained long.
In the USA, others wanted theirs registered with AKC as they were out of registered dogs and they wanted the right color to be shown on the papers( Black , white and tan), so in 2000 after 18 months of DNA testing AKC accepted the Parti colored Yorkshire Terrier.
During this time each went its own way in developing and registries.

It will be very interesting down the road if these two dogs merge together.

[AprilLove]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Yes, I would still like to see one bc for people new to Biewers/Partis - it's difficult for them to glean beginning info from a discussion thread.

I would like to keep it somewhat simple, yet informative. I don't feel it should be written by me, but rather by someone who has been involved deeply - as so many of you have been for quite a while now.

The tough part there, is the differing angles/opinions. Another option is to have 2 or 3 people each contribute a post to the sticky.

Or, MaryKay, like you said earlier (brilliantly ) - just keep it extremely simple, descriptive, and provide some links to various sources for reading.

I agree Ann. The problem will probably be trying to find two or three people to write something, without 3 or 4 more objecting
When I was new to YT, I happened upon a post about someones' Biewers. I looked at the pics and said WOW! I didn't ask about it on the forum though, I just followed links, read websites and looked at more pictures, and said WOW! some more. Found the BiewerTalk site, joined it, found other Biewer sites, etc
I guess the point I am trying to make is, the debate about Biewers, Partis, where they came from, standards, etc etc has grown tremendously since I joined this site and probably will continue to stir debates and go off topic on any thread started with the word Parti or Biewer in it.

A sticky with nothing more than links to the various Biewer and Parti club websites and a condensed short version of the physical/trait differences in the dogs is probably the fairest way to do it JMO


oh, and maybe links to the various show venues that allow these breeds to be shown

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

But isn't a Parti a yorkie so hence wouldn't anyone wanting one want to know the standard for the yorkshire terrier? I"m not trying to start anything but I hope that one that breeds and sells Parti's lets the buyer know that the Parti color is a disqualification in an AKC comformation show ring and that they can't be shown and would be for pet purposes only.

the standard for thwe parti yorkies on on the CYTC website. So what would be the point of linking to the YTCA.

Are those of you who do not have Biewers or partis even qualified to give input on this topic?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Again, another reason why the YTCA link is appropriate.

They all originated from, wolves too but no one suggested linking to a wolf site.

Them YTCA has nothing good to say about them. What would be the point of linking to their site?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

They all originated from, wolves too but no one suggested linking to a wolf site.

Them YTCA has nothing good to say about them. What would be the point of linking to their site?

To educate. Again quoting Ann's signature. Having heard all of this, you may choose to look the other way...but you can never say again that you did not know.
~o~o~o~ William Wilberforce 1759-1833 ~o~o~o~

[Breezeaway]

Nancy to educate is good, but the original post was about the difference between the two. We get you think the ytca should be in the sticky. Ok , can we now get back to the original question once again ? Please stop getting away from the original post........There are enough posts here for Ann to choose, we dont need to tell her for the 50th time to include the YTCA.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

To educate. Again quoting Ann's signature. Having heard all of this, you may choose to look the other way...but you can never say again that you did not know.
~o~o~o~ William Wilberforce 1759-1833 ~o~o~o~

Sorry but there is no education on their website..only opinions..no proof of anything.

I don't have a problem posting the standard on YT without all the other comments that are made on the YTCA's website.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

I think that's what is causing all the confusion in this thread.

Compiling links to be pinned as a sticky in the library is a separate issue from answering the OP's question. It would be a resource for people who want to learn all about Parti Yorkies and Biewers, not just the differences between them.

I don't see how the YTCA link could not be included since Parti Yorkies are Yorkshire Terriers and the YTCA is the breed club.

What does the YTCA's opinion of the parti colored yorkis have to do with answering the question about the differences.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

It's not just the YTCA, ever breed has a standard, and there are always those who would rather breed another variation. I'm not saying the YTCA should be the only link, the other sites have a chance to explain their side of the argument.

The standard is listed on the CYTC site. The information on the YTCA site, concerning the Parti color, is opinion, it is not fact.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I'm surprised you didn't know it was on their website, but that's exactly why I want the link posted. People aren't aware of the mother clubs beliefs on this. This is about those breeders who claim a fault is a plus, and charge more for it. I would have no problems with Parti breeders who charged pet prices for their dogs, however by charging more, it shows me they are breeding for profit.

Also since all the other links contain their version of the history of the Yorkshire terrier, the leading experts on the breed should be included. Whether you like it or not, the YTCA is the leading authority on the Yorkshire terrier.

It is opinion not FACT. it does not even recognize the latest research, it completely ignores the fact that Joan Gordan herself admited to having them in her litters.

The YTCA is in total denial over rthe entire subject.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by AprilLove

I agree Ann. The problem will probably be trying to find two or three people to write something, without 3 or 4 more objecting
When I was new to YT, I happened upon a post about someones' Biewers. I looked at the pics and said WOW! I didn't ask about it on the forum though, I just followed links, read websites and looked at more pictures, and said WOW! some more. Found the BiewerTalk site, joined it, found other Biewer sites, etc
I guess the point I am trying to make is, the debate about Biewers, Partis, where they came from, standards, etc etc has grown tremendously since I joined this site and probably will continue to stir debates and go off topic on any thread started with the word Parti or Biewer in it.

A sticky with nothing more than links to the various Biewer and Parti club websites and a condensed short version of the physical/trait differences in the dogs is probably the fairest way to do it JMO


oh, and maybe links to the various show venues that allow these breeds to be shown

I guess I am of the opinion (right or wrong) that if people are really intersted they will start researching these dogs. That is what you did MK and that is what I have done for over 5 years. There is tons of info on YT.

Would you really want to post a club who no longer says these dogs are Yorkies as someone suggested and who members here keep giving high signs to?

I really am against a sticky because I believe people can learn so much by researching and they really need to come to their own conclusion. Plus we have tons of sticky's that people don't even read on many more important topics that people don't read and they still ask the same questions. Just my thoughts.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

To educate. Again quoting Ann's signature. Having heard all of this, you may choose to look the other way...but you can never say again that you did not know.
~o~o~o~ William Wilberforce 1759-1833 ~o~o~o~

You cannot EDUCATE with OPINIONS. You need facts that can be substantiated, such as the information on the TWO parti yorkshire websites.

There are a lot of sites out there with misinformation on the subject. What people need is to be directed to the facts.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Sorry but there is no education on their website..only opinions..no proof of anything.

I don't have a problem posting the standard on YT without all the other comments that are made on the YTCA's website.

Sorry I did not see your post before I posted mine. I totally agree, it is all opinion and very outdated opinions at that.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by AprilLove

I agree Ann. The problem will probably be trying to find two or three people to write something, without 3 or 4 more objecting
When I was new to YT, I happened upon a post about someones' Biewers. I looked at the pics and said WOW! I didn't ask about it on the forum though, I just followed links, read websites and looked at more pictures, and said WOW! some more. Found the BiewerTalk site, joined it, found other Biewer sites, etc
I guess the point I am trying to make is, the debate about Biewers, Partis, where they came from, standards, etc etc has grown tremendously since I joined this site and probably will continue to stir debates and go off topic on any thread started with the word Parti or Biewer in it.

A sticky with nothing more than links to the various Biewer and Parti club websites and a condensed short version of the physical/trait differences in the dogs is probably the fairest way to do it JMO


oh, and maybe links to the various show venues that allow these breeds to be shown

When I started looking for information on them, there was little to be found, and what there was, was all negative. That is why Sue and I decided to start the CYTC, to get information out to others who were looking.