Differences between Biewer and Parti Yorkies?

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Sue, I do give you cudo's, you and your site are very informative.

Thank you Debbie and thank you too for all your hard work, research and efforts in getting Parti's into the show ring!

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

The Difference in the Parti Yorkie and the Biewer

As far back as we can trace the parti color has been in the Yorkshire Terrier. It is a recessive gene that can be explained very well at the Colorful Yorkie website. CYTC...Party Color
Now as to the difference of the two parti colored dogs, From my tracing of pedigrees and speaking to numerous people. The Biewers started with Mr. Biewer purchasing a stud dog in 1975 from Streamglen Kennels, Streamglen Richard. Nikkos Kennels purchased a couple of females from Streamglen, One being Streamglen Milady. At the time Streamglen was producing Champion status yorkies and were selling yorkies across the world and the United States.
Mr Biewer started breeding Ch. Streamglen Richard to all his Female Yorkshire Terriers trying to make his own mark by producing Champion quality yorkies that would come from his kennel. In his quest for champions, he did a lot of line and inbreeding. Then in January of 1984, a Parti colored Yorkshire Terrier was born from 2 of his Champion dogs line bred from Streamglen Richard. Darling and FruFru.
On the other side of the ocean was Nikko’s Kennels were doing the exact same thing, breeding for Champion Yorkies. Nikkos purchased their Champion male(Ch. Quarnhill Fusspot) from Stoneybrook Kennels in 1971 and bred him to Streamglen Milady, the female they obtained from Streamglen Kennels. Nikkos then began producing Champion Yorkies and continued to line breed also. In the 80’s Parti colored Yorkies started showing up in Nikkos kennels also, Gloria couldn’t bear to put the pups down so she passed them out the back door as pets and told them not to say where they got them(her own words).
Mr. Biewer did get his first ones registered with VDH but they designated them wrong color not for breeding, he wanted his adorable dogs to be shown so he went in search of a club that would accept them as a separate breed because they could not be shown as Yorkshire Terriers. The ACH was the first club to accept them as a distinct and separate breed. The dogs were then registered as Biewer Yorkshire A la Pon Pom. They originally had docked tails but Germany passed a law against docking so the tails then remained long.
In the USA, others wanted theirs registered with AKC as they were out of registered dogs and they wanted the right color to be shown on the papers( Black , white and tan), so in 2000 after 18 months of DNA testing AKC accepted the Parti colored Yorkshire Terrier.
During this time each went its own way in developing and registries.

Well, there is it is in a nut shell folks. You could not ask for a more factual, honest and unbiased explanation of Parti Yorkie VS the Biewer. If your still wanting to place a sticky...look no further...

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Well, there is it is in a nut shell folks. You could not ask for a more factual, honest and unbiased explanation of Parti Yorkie VS the Biewer. If your still wanting to place a sticky...look no further...

And for those of us who already understand the difference, it makes perfect sense. Those without a clue who want a simple answer are going to lose interest after about the 2nd sentence. It's more like a detailed history than a simple, quick answer.

[yorkiegirl2]

Good, short to the point explanation.

[kpstoybox]

[QUOTE=BamaFan121s;3137375]And for those of us who already understand the difference, it makes perfect sense. Those without a clue who want a simple answer are going to lose interest after about the 2nd sentence. It's more like a detailed history than a simple, quick answer.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm...have you seen the size of many of the stickies already posted? Most have the length of a short novel.

I still say it is a the perfect explanation for someone truly interested and wanting to know the difference.

Besides...we already submitted the simple and quick answer, quite a few times... and you see where that got us.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Hmmm...have you seen the size of many of the stickies already posted? Most have the length of a short novel.

I still say it is a the perfect explanation for someone truly interested and wanting to know the difference.

Besides...we already submitted the simple and quick answer, quite a few times... and you see where that got us.

Hey, I'm just saying it seemed a bit lengthy and confusing. Those "truly interested" probably are going to go a lot further than a sticky on a forum anyway. Those wanting a quick and easy answer want just that--quick and to the point.
Don't get me wrong, I though it was a great answer. Just a bit much, IMO. That's all.

[Breny]

Then quick and easy it is:

Biewer = Tail

Parti = No Tail

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Breny

Then quick and easy it is:

Biewer = Tail

Parti = No Tail

Hey..I already said that 15 pages ago!!

But I still like it!!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

And for those of us who already understand the difference, it makes perfect sense. Those without a clue who want a simple answer are going to lose interest after about the 2nd sentence. It's more like a detailed history than a simple, quick answer.

I think it is a good explanation, it covers it all.

It needs to be broken up a bit into more paragraphs, is all

People do not like to read long paragraphs on the computer. But will easily read the same content if it is broken ito smaller paragraphs.

Both parti websites should be listed with emphasis on the links to the old books.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by Breny

Then quick and easy it is:

Biewer = Tail

Parti = No Tail

Unless you're Ann...and then your parti has an adorable tail

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Unless you're Ann...and then your parti has an adorable tail

She will fly her tail feather with PRIDE .
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Here's what I now envision for a thread in The Library where we can point people to and use as reference material (and keep in mind, we can always update/edit it ):

{Short, basic intro/description -- similar to some of the intros that were offered on page 1 of this thread}

{Links to the Biewer / Parti Clubs}

{Detailed info/history as above, by Breezeaway}

Perhaps in this thread's #2 etc post, there could be historical links, Biewer/Parti pictures, links to books for further reading/education, etcetera.

The thread can grow/change as the community thinks best .

[yorkielady06]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

She will fly her tail feather with PRIDE .
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Here's what I now envision for a thread in The Library where we can point people to and use as reference material (and keep in mind, we can always update/edit it ):

{Short, basic intro/description -- similar to some of the intros that were offered on page 1 of this thread}

{Links to the Biewer / Parti Clubs}

{Detailed info/history as above, by Breezeaway}

Perhaps in this thread's #2 etc post, there could be historical links, Biewer/Parti pictures, links to books for further reading/education, etcetera.

The thread can grow/change as the community thinks best .

Sound great to me...how about a few pics of each??

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Hey..I already said that 15 pages ago!!

But I still like it!!

I like it too !!! but alas.. my Parti has a tail too.. (can't help it, love those tails)

If a stickie is to be.. the post by Breezyway is perfect.. it can not be less than that as everything in her post is extremely important. It is the basis of everything and to cut it down would be unjust. This is the history, it proves the connection between the Parti and the Biewer and the Yorkie.. it shows they are one in the same.

Granted, they have taken different paths from that point, and the parti's (in my opinion) have a ways to go to "catch up" to their Biewer counter parts in some areas.. but that is happening now and it is happening fast. With the dedication shown by the Parti breeders posting on this thread, I know the future looks very bright.

I want to personally thank Deb from Lowood Farms for all the work she has done helping me connect the dots with the history of the Biewers. She has done more for the Biewers than most Biewer breeders have and I appreciate all she has done. What I have always known in my heart, now makes sense and I will continue on the path believing.. KNOWING that the Biewers/Parti's are color variations of the Yorkshire Terrier and should be thought of and treated as a Yorkie.. not a seperate breed. Research has proven it, pedigrees have proven it, even Biewer history, if one looks, says the same thing.

It's really so simple and clear if one doesn't try and make it so complicated..

Diana

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

I like it too !!! but alas.. my Parti has a tail too.. (can't help it, love those tails)

If a stickie is to be.. the post by Breezyway is perfect.. it can not be less than that as everything in her post is extremely important. It is the basis of everything and to cut it down would be unjust. This is the history, it proves the connection between the Parti and the Biewer and the Yorkie.. it shows they are one in the same.

Granted, they have taken different paths from that point, and the parti's (in my opinion) have a ways to go to "catch up" to their Biewer counter parts in some areas.. but that is happening now and it is happening fast. With the dedication shown by the Parti breeders posting on this thread, I know the future looks very bright.

I want to personally thank Deb from Lowood Farms for all the work she has done helping me connect the dots with the history of the Biewers. She has done more for the Biewers than most Biewer breeders have and I appreciate all she has done. What I have always known in my heart, now makes sense and I will continue on the path believing.. KNOWING that the Biewers/Parti's are color variations of the Yorkshire Terrier and should be thought of and treated as a Yorkie.. not a seperate breed. Research has proven it, pedigrees have proven it, even Biewer history, if one looks, says the same thing.

It's really so simple and clear if one doesn't try and make it so complicated..

Diana

I agree whole heartedly! Good post Diana!