Vent about perspective puppy owners!!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

Oh Mary...Mardelin...where are you...Mary I believe has Texas connections....There are wonderful breeders out down in that neck of the woods. YTCA is a great start...
and BTW thank you...

Yep! I do, if one is willing to pass my 3rd degree, I'm so willing to put you in touch with some of the best. Ask CJ125 what I put her through before I provided her any information.

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

About a year ago I placed a puppy with a family. A pet contract, spay/nueter. They absolutely love this little girl, but pet quality. Anyway about a month after she went to her new home. I get a call from her owner (now mind you this pup was now close to 5 months of age now), asking if she could breed her. I was a bit flabergasted, since I never expected this question from this lady. I didn't lose my cool, but reiterated the pet only contract. Her answer was but, she's so adorable and I want one litter out of her, she wanted to stud her with one of my boys and would do it all with my instruction. I went on to tell her that if I wasn't willing to keep her, to Champion her and keep her in my breeding program, why would I allow her to. That still didn't penetrate.....My final question to her was are you willing to lose your girl? Her girl was spayed the following week.

before i spayed milu, i had considered breeding her once (and keep every single one of her babies). i had a few breeders approach me when they saw milu and ask if i was going to show her and breed her. so i thought that if i think she is perfect, that's normal, everyone thinks their babies are perfect, but if breeders and my vet tells me she is perfect, then i should definitely consider it. i didn't know anything about breeding, so i posted here in breeder section for help, i also contacted other breeders asking them for their advice.

i was told about the 5lb rule, but my vet didn't think it was a deal breaker, he told me that milu is a healthy beautiful dog with a great temperament and if you don't breed dogs like this, then what dogs do you breed. but he did tell me that he cannot make the decision for me and that with small dogs there are more risks of course.

i really think milu is perfect, so i even thought that maybe an experienced breeder can breed her and help me with everything. but then the deal breaker for me is when i was told that she can die from this. so as soon as that possibility was mentioned to me, i made up my mind easily at that point.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie

before i spayed milu, i had considered breeding her once (and keep every single one of her babies). i had a few breeders approach me when they saw milu and ask if i was going to show her and breed her. so i thought that if i think she is perfect, that's normal, everyone thinks their babies are perfect, but if breeders and my vet tells me she is perfect, then i should definitely consider it. i didn't know anything about breeding, so i posted here in breeder section for help, i also contacted other breeders asking them for their advice.

i was told about the 5lb rule, but my vet didn't think it was a deal breaker, he told me that milu is a healthy beautiful dog with a great temperament and if you don't breed dogs like this, then what dogs do you breed. but he did tell me that he cannot make the decision for me and that with small dogs there are more risks of course.

i really think milu is perfect, so i even thought that maybe an experienced breeder can breed her and help me with everything. but then the deal breaker for me is when i was told that she can die from this. so as soon as that possibility was mentioned to me, i made up my mind easily at that point.

Good for you.

Although, what your vet told you was incorrect. But, other factors do figure in. You have enough to worry about when you breed yorkies, so why buy trouble with breeding a smaller girl.

And you can show a smaller boy and Champion it very easily. Smaller girls not so easy. One must keep in mind the whole purpose of showing is to gain approval of one's breeding stock.

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Good for you.

Although, what your vet told you was incorrect. But, other factors do figure in.

i know what he told me was not correct, but i think vets and breeders don't always have the same considerations. (breeders gave me the impression that c-section is a bad thing to try to avoid, where as my vet gave me the impression that c-section is a safe option) i was just hoping that i could hear him say a definite "NO, don't breed her" so i would feel better about spaying a 'perfect' dog

when i asked about breeding her, people/breeders were very nice to me, everyone i asked just educated me, and shared with me their opinions and experiences, no one criticized me for considering it. so when i finally made the decision to spay her, i felt good about it (even though was still overwhelming because she is my first dog). because i feel like i have made a good decision for her. i love her so much!

[anevarez]

I'd love to get in contact with you. I had a wonderful breeder who breeds very rarely... I have spoken with other yorkie owners who are waiting for their AKC papers in the mail (one has been waiting for 6 months) or submitting photos to AKC to get them registered. The stupidity of some humans amazes me! Chloe is 6 months old, she is a wonderful baby! She was easy to potty train, and adapted to my children well. I do have 4 children - the last 2 are young... however, I run a tight ship and even my 17 month old knows to listen. I always supervise and when I cannot Chloe will be put in a safe place until I can have my full attention on her! Some breeders think that young children are dangerous... I believe they CAN be dangerous, but not anymore dangerous than an uneducated pet owner. Thanks for the info!

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Yep! I do, if one is willing to pass my 3rd degree, I'm so willing to put you in touch with some of the best. Ask CJ125 what I put her through before I provided her any information.

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Good for you.

Although, what your vet told you was incorrect. But, other factors do figure in. You have enough to worry about when you breed yorkies, so why buy trouble with breeding a smaller girl.

And you can show a smaller boy and Champion it very easily. Smaller girls not so easy. One must keep in mind the whole purpose of showing is to gain approval of one's breeding stock.

i agree with you, and because i think she is so perfect, and i did want to do things right. i would have tried to have other people show her and breed her if that was possible. i don't know if that is possible? do people ever do that?

but i do think she is too small to have babies. and i think even if i asked other experienced breeders to help me, they would have told me no, and tell me she is too small to breed.

[kdreamson]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

About a year ago I placed a puppy with a family. A pet contract, spay/nueter. They absolutely love this little girl, but pet quality. Anyway about a month after she went to her new home. I get a call from her owner (now mind you this pup was now close to 5 months of age now), asking if she could breed her. I was a bit flabergasted, since I never expected this question from this lady. I didn't lose my cool, but reiterated the pet only contract. Her answer was but, she's so adorable and I want one litter out of her, she wanted to stud her with one of my boys and would do it all with my instruction. I went on to tell her that if I wasn't willing to keep her, to Champion her and keep her in my breeding program, why would I allow her to. That still didn't penetrate.....My final question to her was are you willing to lose your girl? Her girl was spayed the following week.

What happens if you find out that some one who bought one of your pups has breed them? When i got Mabel i also signed a spay contract, i am going to spay her...no question about it! But i did wonder how such a thing is enforced. Mabel is 4 months old but will be spayed before her first heat. I cannot understand why any person would want to breed their own pet! It has to be expensive & dangerous, and if you don't know what you are doing disasterous! and i myself could not bear to sell or even give away the pups as i would consider them members of my family!!I understand why good breeders are so careful in choosing their adoptive parents for their fur babies! Whew! What a resposibility!

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by kdreamson

What happens if you find out that some one who bought one of your pups has breed them? When i got Mabel i also signed a spay contract, i am going to spay her...no question about it! But i did wonder how such a thing is enforced. Mabel is 4 months old but will be spayed before her first heat. I cannot understand why any person would want to breed their own pet! It has to be expensive & dangerous, and if you don't know what you are doing disasterous! and i myself could not bear to sell or even give away the pups as i would consider them members of my family!!I understand why good breeders are so careful in choosing their adoptive parents for their fur babies! Whew! What a resposibility!

Good question!

And I agree completely!! I can't imagine the work that good breeders put into finding good homes for their little ones. But, I'm so grateful to the good breeders who do it!

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by kdreamson

What happens if you find out that some one who bought one of your pups has breed them? When i got Mabel i also signed a spay contract, i am going to spay her...no question about it! But i did wonder how such a thing is enforced. Mabel is 4 months old but will be spayed before her first heat. I cannot understand why any person would want to breed their own pet! It has to be expensive & dangerous, and if you don't know what you are doing disasterous! and i myself could not bear to sell or even give away the pups as i would consider them members of my family!!I understand why good breeders are so careful in choosing their adoptive parents for their fur babies! Whew! What a resposibility!

i think people want to breed their pets for many reasons. but for the most part, it seems like they want to do it for either money reasons (they want to sell the puppies to make $ or 'recover' some of the purchase price of their pet dogs) or because they think their pet dog is perfect. (and i think most dog owners think their dogs are perfect)

i had wanted to do it because i think my dog is perfect and i want more dogs like her and i wanted to keep all the puppies myself... i can never be a breeder, i cannot give away any puppies, i just wouldn't be able to do it.

i know that some breeders enforce the contract by not sending the buyer AKC papers until they provide proof of neuter/spay.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by kdreamson

What happens if you find out that some one who bought one of your pups has breed them? When i got Mabel i also signed a spay contract, i am going to spay her...no question about it! But i did wonder how such a thing is enforced. Mabel is 4 months old but will be spayed before her first heat. I cannot understand why any person would want to breed their own pet! It has to be expensive & dangerous, and if you don't know what you are doing disasterous! and i myself could not bear to sell or even give away the pups as i would consider them members of my family!!I understand why good breeders are so careful in choosing their adoptive parents for their fur babies! Whew! What a resposibility!

Placing puppies is very intuitive and based on the questions I ask. I don't place puppies unless I trust 100% and the owners live close enough for me to check. I've been lucky so far, as most of my families keep in regular contact with me. I also have something in my contract that is very inticing to new buyers. I provide free grooming and boarding for the rest of that puppy's life. The other thing I have in my contract is that if the pup is bred without my approval, I will confiscate pup and litter. I also have a $5,000 breech of contract clause. With that being said, a contract is only as good as the 2 people signing it. So, it all goes back to gut and trust.

I'm not really in the business of breeding to sell puppies, so that makes it very easy for me to be very, very selective on where I place puppies. I've been known to hold onto puppies until they reach 7 months of age, so I have plenty of time.

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Placing puppies is very intuitive and based on the questions I ask. I don't place puppies unless I trust 100% and the owners live close enough for me to check. I've been lucky so far, as most of my families keep in regular contact with me. I also have something in my contract that is very inticing to new buyers. I provide free grooming and boarding for the rest of that puppy's life. [B]The other thing I have in my contract is that if the pup is bred without my approval, I will confiscate pup and litter. I also have a $5,000 breech of contract clause.[/B] With that being said, a contract is only as good as the 2 people signing it. So, it all goes back to gut and trust.

I'm not really in the business of breeding to sell puppies, so that makes it very easy for me to be very, very selective on where I place puppies. I've been known to hold onto puppies until they reach 7 months of age, so I have plenty of time.

i like this

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie

i think people want to breed their pets for many reasons. but for the most part, it seems like they want to do it for either money reasons (they want to sell the puppies to make $ or 'recover' some of the purchase price of their pet dogs) or because they think their pet dog is perfect. (and i think most dog owners think their dogs are perfect)

i had wanted to do it because i think my dog is perfect and i want more dogs like her and i wanted to keep all the puppies myself... i can never be a breeder, i cannot give away any puppies, i just wouldn't be able to do it.

i know that some breeders enforce the contract by not sending the buyer AKC papers until they provide proof of neuter/spay.

It's not easy for a breeder to allow puppies to go to their forever homes. Most of us cry with each placement.

The proof of spay/nueter can be forged, it's been done many a time. So, again it boils down to trust.

[Roxy_Mom]

I have a question in the respose to all this talk about breeding and owners not being able to purchase babies for breeding.

Please note that I have absolutely no intentions on ever breeding Roxy....she is only 4.2 lbs and is getting spayed this summer!

Breeders sell pups with limited registrations or they withhold the registration until the owner gets the pup spayed or neutered to prevent morons from torturing these poor babies in order to make money. Under what conditions would a breeder consider selling a puppy to someone who had the intent to breed. I don't think breeding is a bad thing if the person is educated, mentored, and can be completely trusted. (Afterall, we all got our babies because someone who was well educated, qualified, caring, honest and honest bred their baby and produced our baby.) Right now I just have Roxy, in a few weeks I will be getting another little boy (neutered), but in the future I would like to breed or show (after my children are older). What would a person need to do to qualify themselves and how would you make your decision?

[BellaDonna]

BTW...for some who are confused about my username.... I collect antique china teacup sets...cup, saucer and plate!! (I had a breeder tell me the whole "no such thing as a teacup yorkie" once due to my email address)[/QUOTE]


That handle will get you a butt chewing around here! LOL Glad you explained that because I had been wondering.

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

It's not easy for a breeder to allow puppies to go to their forever homes. Most of us cry with each placement.

The proof of spay/nueter can be forged, it's been done many a time. So, again it boils down to trust.

i like your puppy contract, but i have a question, why don't all the breeders just make the buyers pay for s/n upfront as a deposit, and it will be refunded once the pet is spayed/neutered. wouldn't that be a good incentive for buyers to spay/neuter their pets for sure?