Thanks for educating me...but now every dog owner pisses me off!

[lmperez]

my SIL wants to get rid of their cat because it scratches stuff. well get the thing [COLOR=green !important][COLOR=green !important]declawed[/COLOR][/COLOR] and fixed duhhh...

Again this goes back to the lack of trainning. At a young age kittens can be taught to scratch a particular item. I bottle fed 4 kittens a year a go and fromt he begining they used a scratching post. If they attempted my furniture I sprayed them with a water bottle it only takes a few times and they get the idea. DECLAWING is NOt the answer. It is cruel and a very very painful procedure. Many vets will no longer declaw because of the pain and then the animal has no way to protect itself. Think about the pain of having your nails ripped out from it's growth plate OUCH! anyways just another educational tidbit!!!!!

[diane boden]

Ignorance is one thing, its when people ask for advice and then completely egnore it. My nephews partner is just such a person. They have 2 yorkiexborder collies- dont ask- they are kept mainly outside with access to an entrence way. For years they've suffered with bouts of diarria because of the crap food they use. I've told them time after time to change the food.
I hadn't seen them for monthe then their oldest daughter asked if she could bring them on my walks, I went crazy, they were skin and bone, the poor little girl was so weak she could barely walk. I made the girl carry her all the way round to teach her a lesson then had a go at her parents. I told them to get something sorted or I would personally report them. I guess they are doing better as they are still here. My nephew blames his GF as they are her dogs. I said you live in that house too so you take some of the blame.

[MinorTreblesMom]

Originally Posted by lmperez

my SIL wants to get rid of their cat because it scratches stuff. well get the thing [COLOR=green !important][COLOR=green !important]declawed[/COLOR][/COLOR] and fixed duhhh...

Again this goes back to the lack of trainning. At a young age kittens can be taught to scratch a particular item. I bottle fed 4 kittens a year a go and fromt he begining they used a scratching post. If they attempted my furniture I sprayed them with a water bottle it only takes a few times and they get the idea. DECLAWING is NOt the answer. It is cruel and a very very painful procedure. Many vets will no longer declaw because of the pain and then the animal has no way to protect itself. Think about the pain of having your nails ripped out from it's growth plate OUCH! anyways just another educational tidbit!!!!!

Declawing isn't ripping the nails out it's basically cutting down to the first joint off....our vet had to do it on one of our cats[ abuse case] as it was blind and kept scratching at it's one blind eye til it bled.....my other cats I made a scratching post out of an ironing board----yup you got it.....Bungie corded a regular old ironing board to those industrial work shelves that I use for stock piling food etc/pantry. Then we sprayed it with cat nip and have a catnip garden at the end...no more scratching anything else in my house...amazing!!!! and great way to recycle a crudding ironing board LOL

[lovespandp]

Originally Posted by MinorTreblesMom

Declawing isn't ripping the nails out it's basically cutting down to the first joint off....our vet had to do it on one of our cats[ abuse case] as it was blind and kept scratching at it's one blind eye til it bled.....my other cats I made a scratching post out of an ironing board----yup you got it.....Bungie corded a regular old ironing board to those industrial work shelves that I use for stock piling food etc/pantry. Then we sprayed it with cat nip and have a catnip garden at the end...no more scratching anything else in my house...amazing!!!! and great way to recycle a crudding ironing board LOL

I disagree.
The Facts About Declawing

I am not a fan of declawing. I have seen it done, I have seen the cats days after sx in pain. I would never do this to a cat. They have these little cover things that slip over your cat's nail that you can use, or you can trim your cats nails!! One reason why they scratch is bc the nails are long...

[MinorTreblesMom]

this rescue cat we got declawed.......we got three opinions and even after declawing he still damaged his eye from trying to scratch it...so in hind site he probably didn't need it, but the abuse this animal went through before he became my rescue was unreal......and we did it to end the current suffering with out having to pts the cat....he lives next door now and although still bugs his blind eye and sometimes scabs it over from rubbing it so much, he's not bleeding[ the eye has long since been removed since he ruptured it]

I believe in doing the best I can with the animals i received...when my health declined....personal animals was all I could handle
Thanks for the article...vet described it to be as down to firsst knuckle , see now it's right before the knuckle...and it does take awhile to heal for sure.

[lovespandp]

Originally Posted by MinorTreblesMom

this rescue cat we got declawed.......we got three opinions and even after declawing he still damaged his eye from trying to scratch it...so in hind site he probably didn't need it, but the abuse this animal went through before he became my rescue was unreal......and we did it to end the current suffering with out having to pts the cat....he lives next door now and although still bugs his blind eye and sometimes scabs it over from rubbing it so much, he's not bleeding[ the eye has long since been removed since he ruptured it]

I believe in doing the best I can with the animals i received...when my health declined....personal animals was all I could handle
Thanks for the article...vet described it to be as down to firsst knuckle , see now it's right before the knuckle...and it does take awhile to heal for sure.

Yeah see in your case its a little different.

I think coming from first hand and seeing how the Declaw sx works, seeing him cut off the nail, and dumping glue in the hole and wraping a tight bandade around the poor little paw, and then keeping the cat in our hospital for 3 days is just horrible. I don't think its worth it. What makes it horrible is telling the people this and telling them that there are other options of solving the scratching and all that and them still going and doing the SX It sucks. Goes to the op where people don't care. They just want what is best for them and not the animal

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

Yorkie Talk, you have taught me sooo darn much about things! but now every time i see a bad dog owner, or see puppies for sale along the road, or hear about a dog PTS because the owner thought it was too aggressive i just almost can't hold my tounge. must be how you all feel when someone doesn't know better and asks questions on here that make you all upset and you have to burst out to say something.

A lady today was talking about putting down her boston terrier because it attacked her other dog and she fell off a porch and broke her wrist trying to break them up. i'm thinking you just took a dog's life because you are too stupid and ignorant to learn how to train that poor thing properly.

i was so mad i could barely listen to her talk and just wanted to scream at her for her lack of care and casualness with which she talked about putting him down.

Some dogs even with training are to aggresive to have around other animals or people and the only option is to put them to sleep but it should be a tough choice to make not just one that is decided fast with no thought. My parents had a boxer mix that was very smart and it stocked our baby goats for a long time but we didnt think much of it until she dug in the goats fenced in area when no one was home and killed one of the baby goats and hurting another one and my mom couldnt have kept and trained her due to the fact my mother loves animals and had two other dogs that where beagle mixs and then two other baby goats plus me at the time that where being put in danger by this dog and even tho it killed her to do so she had to take the dog to the shelter and pray she found a home. Some times training isnt always an option.

[Lou]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

A lady today was talking about putting down her boston terrier because it attacked her other dog and she fell off a porch and broke her wrist trying to break them up. i'm thinking you just took a dog's life because you are too stupid and ignorant to learn how to train that poor thing properly.

i was so mad i could barely listen to her talk and just wanted to scream at her for her lack of care and casualness with which she talked about putting him down.

I remember when our beloved 13 year old beagle was being seen for a huge mast cell tumor. The vet had just told me his blood was now full of mast cells and it wouldn't be long before we would need to put him down. There I was in one exam room waiting for the vet to come back in and overhearing the s.o.b. in the next room complaining that he wanted to put his two year old golden down because the vet had diagnosed diabetes. The creep didn't want the expense or hassle of giving the dog shots. I remember I started to cry wishing to God I could trade places with him. I wouldn't have minded giving our baby shots and I sure wouldn't have minded the expense. It just seemed so unfair. Oh how I wanted to tell him off.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by lovespandp

Yeah see in your case its a little different.

I think coming from first hand and seeing how the Declaw sx works, seeing him cut off the nail, and dumping glue in the hole and wraping a tight bandade around the poor little paw, and then keeping the cat in our hospital for 3 days is just horrible. I don't think its worth it. What makes it horrible is telling the people this and telling them that there are other options of solving the scratching and all that and them still going and doing the SX It sucks. Goes to the op where people don't care. They just want what is best for them and not the animal

i honestly did not know anything about declawing. i didn't know it hurt them that much or i wouldn't have said anything about SIL doing that. i'll tell her that's not a good idea and to try the squirt bottle to teach him not to scratch the furniture. but i'm sure she won't have the time or energy to do it or listen to me, she's got 4 kids to take care of, a husband that works at the city mission and is never home, he cares more about the homeless (which is a great thing) than his family (which is the bad part) he doesn't discipline his two children to the point the oldest girl in now in teen challenge and my SIL can't raise his out of control younger daughter because of the physical and verbal abuse this child gives to her.

anyways they are a mess and have adopted two pets with all this chaos and to me it's just selfish of them to think that because their kids should have pets that they should just go out and adopt whatever they want without thinking of training them, taking care of them, or the costs and issues that might come up with them.

still burns my hind end~!

[RachelandSadie]

i can understand rehoming a dog for agressiveness and trying to find someone willing to work with one and teach it better. but they just gave up before they ever even tried helping the poor dog out and just PTS the dog without even considering a rehome or that they are the problem for not training it. sounds like they got it as a puppy and they never taught it anything or something. they had two french bulldogs as well as this boston puppy. i've personally never known a boston to be all that aggressive so i personally think they were just really bad dog owners and even worst that they so casually PTS a dog that they were too stupid to take care of. she acted like it was so normal, if you have a little issue with a dog just PTS and it's all better...dumb woman.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by Lou

I remember when our beloved 13 year old beagle was being seen for a huge mast cell tumor. The vet had just told me his blood was now full of mast cells and it wouldn't be long before we would need to put him down. There I was in one exam room waiting for the vet to come back in and overhearing the s.o.b. in the next room complaining that he wanted to put his two year old golden down because the vet had diagnosed diabetes. The creep didn't want the expense or hassle of giving the dog shots. I remember I started to cry wishing to God I could trade places with him. I wouldn't have minded giving our baby shots and I sure wouldn't have minded the expense. It just seemed so unfair. Oh how I wanted to tell him off.

i'm so sorry to hear that story. i'm with you i just dont' understand why someone would get a dog without thinking that they may have to spend a lot of money on taking care of it. if that were a child you would do whatever it took to make them feel good and live longer, there's not a euthanizing children at the doctor when they are agressive or unwanted or too much money or too sick. we do it with dogs that are so sick that they are going to suffer and we do a very kind and humane thing by letting them go so they won't hurt anymore, but we don't do this with our kids, so why be so casual and heartless about PTS a dog??

it's heartbreaking to those that truly care, we just had to put down our golden because her organs were failing and winter was coming quick and we didn't want her to suffer and die in the freezing cold weather. she was 14 years old and it was the hardest thing we've ever done, my father had to have his cousin take her in because he couldn't bear the pain and you have this A holes going in for no good reason and doing this to their dogs.

so sickening!!

[lovespandp]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

i honestly did not know anything about declawing. i didn't know it hurt them that much or i wouldn't have said anything about SIL doing that. i'll tell her that's not a good idea and to try the squirt bottle to teach him not to scratch the furniture. but i'm sure she won't have the time or energy to do it or listen to me, she's got 4 kids to take care of, a husband that works at the city mission and is never home, he cares more about the homeless (which is a great thing) than his family (which is the bad part) he doesn't discipline his two children to the point the oldest girl in now in teen challenge and my SIL can't raise his out of control younger daughter because of the physical and verbal abuse this child gives to her.

anyways they are a mess and have adopted two pets with all this chaos and to me it's just selfish of them to think that because their kids should have pets that they should just go out and adopt whatever they want without thinking of training them, taking care of them, or the costs and issues that might come up with them.

still burns my hind end~!

You know I wasn't trying to be a jerk, or have it come off in a bad way, I just have seen people come in and say that want to declaw their cat and have the vet just say ok..and not try to tell them all the other options that there are..I just try to let people know what the vet doesn't always say. I know a lot of hospital's wont do that anymore..from what I have read so who knows. to each his own and if they want to do that then thats on them, me personaly would never do it. My Mom thought about doing it to her 2 cats and I talked her out of it..so now I get to go cut the cat's nails every week but its ok I love those cats and I would rather take time out to trim the nails them have them be declawed!


That sucks about you SIL...Me the person I am would break her off , tell her to get her sh!t together and tell the hubby to play the Father/husband roll as well!! Many many people have job where they are 100% commited to it, and they are also 100% commited to their family, it's just something that you have to do, you have to learn how to control both, and him being the father/husband figure he should step up and be like " look this is how it is and this is how its going to be" It is not fair that he gives more to his job than his family...But what can you do..thats hard bc you are the SIL..are you close with her?

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by lovespandp

You know I wasn't trying to be a jerk, or have it come off in a bad way, I just have seen people come in and say that want to declaw their cat and have the vet just say ok..and not try to tell them all the other options that there are..I just try to let people know what the vet doesn't always say. I know a lot of hospital's wont do that anymore..from what I have read so who knows. to each his own and if they want to do that then thats on them, me personaly would never do it. My Mom thought about doing it to her 2 cats and I talked her out of it..so now I get to go cut the cat's nails every week but its ok I love those cats and I would rather take time out to trim the nails them have them be declawed!


That sucks about you SIL...Me the person I am would break her off , tell her to get her sh!t together and tell the hubby to play the Father/husband roll as well!! Many many people have job where they are 100% commited to it, and they are also 100% commited to their family, it's just something that you have to do, you have to learn how to control both, and him being the father/husband figure he should step up and be like " look this is how it is and this is how its going to be" It is not fair that he gives more to his job than his family...But what can you do..thats hard bc you are the SIL..are you close with her?

oh i know, i love you to pieces and i'm glad to know that it hurts them. i didn't realize it.
i've had cats that were barnyard cats that come and go for years growing up, but never a house cat. i may get one when we have our own house as long as i can litter train and get a really short haired one. i'm huge on the whole shedding thing. hence the Yorkie!!

anyways yea it's sad about my SIL. it's my hubbie's sister, she's the oldest and her story is long and awful so get your popcorn out:

she got with this dude when she was in high school, she got pregnant young and married him. he was abusive, on steriods, and a total a hole. he's now a well known tattoo artist in Chicago. anyways, they broke up once during her younger years i think before she has her first son, and she moved to MO where her mom, dad, and brothers moved. she lived with her mom's cousin for awhile and this guy comes to MO and lures her back to Chicago with him. this upset everyone in her family and broke their hearts. she was at that point hopeless and a total disappointment to her family. so then she has her first child and then they finally divorce. after the divorce she gets pregnant again from him and has her second son. finally she really does leave him for good and goes off to marry his BROTHER. they both turn their lives around and get saved and want to live a Christian life (they are both tattooed up from their past lives and her new hubbie looks hard) anyways, hubbie #2 has three children from a previous marriage. his ex wife is on drugs really really bad and kids children often slept in one room filled with dog poop and all of this woman's new babies from other men. i think she has like 6 kids now and is in and out of jail a lot. so hubbie #2 has a 15 year old girl, a 12 yr old son and a 11 yr old girl

after SIL and new hubbie married, they had a little baby girl too. so there's 6 children together now. they got into a nasty custody battle over SIL's two boys with her first hubbie. they lost....sad and sucked...so rather than stay in Chicago where her job is and fight it again...they move to MO which they claim was God's will. i don't deny that God does have a plan...but all of us were not sure that was His plan for them because now she is driving/flying to chicago once or twice a month for work, the rest of the time works at home, they are in MAJOR debt from the court stuff and moving and its a mess. but finally another year goes by, they lived with my husbands mom and dad awhile and put my husband out of his own room during Christmas break from college...but they finally get their own place and get back on their feet again. they only have the little girl with them at first, they had gotten the 15 yr old girl to live with SIL's parents my inlaws for awhile to get her away from her mother. that went ok and then they took her with them when they got their new house...then the also got the 10 yr old daughter and then eventually this summer got the boys back from dad 1. so they have 5 kiddos now. but while the custody battle thing happend 15 yr old daughter had some issues with sexual promiscuity and running around and she ran away overnight at a boy's house. they placed her into a teen challenge program for 15 months and she's loosing her entire JR. year of high school from this now. but she is getting help and doing better. i dont' know if she needed this extreme of a measure or just better parenting because her father (hubbie 2) doesn't seem to know how to be a man and step up in his house and discipline the kids and lets them run all over the neighborhood and crap like that.

so now there's the daughter 10 yr old issue i mentioned before and it's going to end up just exactly like 15 yr old girl because they won't do anything to discipline and FORCE their authority over her, they just let her get away with sassing and being a brat. she needs serious mental help from the living situation with her drugged out mom and she needs my SIL to be that Mother to her that she never really had. but instead they just fight each other and SIL isn't much of a mom to her, because she's too focused on the cute little baby girl now 4 and her own sons.

and then throw in her two son's sports and the oldest's football skills and this little girl gets ignored most of the time.

and throw in the dog and cat that were both adopted from shelters and needed training and attention too and it's a huge MESS

and and did i mention my MIL is a psycho!? she's seriously mentally ill most likely from all the stress her daughter caused her and will not admit she's the problem and everyone else is always to blame for her issues. she's 100% negative all the time and she's mean and horrible and it's really really hard to keep my mouth shut and respect her as my MIL because she's an evil, manipulative and literally CRAZY woman.

anyways that's the whole story of my wonderful in laws.

there is an older brother and his wife who moved back to Chicago, he's a police man there just like FIL used to be and they just had my beautiful nephew in August and are wonderful, stable people

and younger BIL who is going to be in college forever and never move out i think and he's 21 now. and he hates his mom's attitude but has no money to move out and leave her

and then there's my hubbie, the most stable, wonderful, hardworking man in the world that i love dearly and we have a nice home and good jobs and do everything we can to not cause anymore stress on his mom and I try to stay far away from her and not talk to her as much as possible.

that's my story...hope you enjoyed the saga!!

[lovespandp]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

oh i know, i love you to pieces and i'm glad to know that it hurts them. i didn't realize it.
i've had cats that were barnyard cats that come and go for years growing up, but never a house cat. i may get one when we have our own house as long as i can litter train and get a really short haired one. i'm huge on the whole shedding thing. hence the Yorkie!!

anyways yea it's sad about my SIL. it's my hubbie's sister, she's the oldest and her story is long and awful so get your popcorn out:

she got with this dude when she was in high school, she got pregnant young and married him. he was abusive, on steriods, and a total a hole. he's now a well known tattoo artist in Chicago. anyways, they broke up once during her younger years i think before she has her first son, and she moved to MO where her mom, dad, and brothers moved. she lived with her mom's cousin for awhile and this guy comes to MO and lures her back to Chicago with him. this upset everyone in her family and broke their hearts. she was at that point hopeless and a total disappointment to her family. so then she has her first child and then they finally divorce. after the divorce she gets pregnant again from him and has her second son. finally she really does leave him for good and goes off to marry his BROTHER. they both turn their lives around and get saved and want to live a Christian life (they are both tattooed up from their past lives and her new hubbie looks hard) anyways, hubbie #2 has three children from a previous marriage. his ex wife is on drugs really really bad and kids children often slept in one room filled with dog poop and all of this woman's new babies from other men. i think she has like 6 kids now and is in and out of jail a lot. so hubbie #2 has a 15 year old girl, a 12 yr old son and a 11 yr old girl

after SIL and new hubbie married, they had a little baby girl too. so there's 6 children together now. they got into a nasty custody battle over SIL's two boys with her first hubbie. they lost....sad and sucked...so rather than stay in Chicago where her job is and fight it again...they move to MO which they claim was God's will. i don't deny that God does have a plan...but all of us were not sure that was His plan for them because now she is driving/flying to chicago once or twice a month for work, the rest of the time works at home, they are in MAJOR debt from the court stuff and moving and its a mess. but finally another year goes by, they lived with my husbands mom and dad awhile and put my husband out of his own room during Christmas break from college...but they finally get their own place and get back on their feet again. they only have the little girl with them at first, they had gotten the 15 yr old girl to live with SIL's parents my inlaws for awhile to get her away from her mother. that went ok and then they took her with them when they got their new house...then the also got the 10 yr old daughter and then eventually this summer got the boys back from dad 1. so they have 5 kiddos now. but while the custody battle thing happend 15 yr old daughter had some issues with sexual promiscuity and running around and she ran away overnight at a boy's house. they placed her into a teen challenge program for 15 months and she's loosing her entire JR. year of high school from this now. but she is getting help and doing better. i dont' know if she needed this extreme of a measure or just better parenting because her father (hubbie 2) doesn't seem to know how to be a man and step up in his house and discipline the kids and lets them run all over the neighborhood and crap like that.

so now there's the daughter 10 yr old issue i mentioned before and it's going to end up just exactly like 15 yr old girl because they won't do anything to discipline and FORCE their authority over her, they just let her get away with sassing and being a brat. she needs serious mental help from the living situation with her drugged out mom and she needs my SIL to be that Mother to her that she never really had. but instead they just fight each other and SIL isn't much of a mom to her, because she's too focused on the cute little baby girl now 4 and her own sons.

and then throw in her two son's sports and the oldest's football skills and this little girl gets ignored most of the time.

and throw in the dog and cat that were both adopted from shelters and needed training and attention too and it's a huge MESS

and and did i mention my MIL is a psycho!? she's seriously mentally ill most likely from all the stress her daughter caused her and will not admit she's the problem and everyone else is always to blame for her issues. she's 100% negative all the time and she's mean and horrible and it's really really hard to keep my mouth shut and respect her as my MIL because she's an evil, manipulative and literally CRAZY woman.

anyways that's the whole story of my wonderful in laws.

there is an older brother and his wife who moved back to Chicago, he's a police man there just like FIL used to be and they just had my beautiful nephew in August and are wonderful, stable people

and younger BIL who is going to be in college forever and never move out i think and he's 21 now. and he hates his mom's attitude but has no money to move out and leave her

and then there's my hubbie, the most stable, wonderful, hardworking man in the world that i love dearly and we have a nice home and good jobs and do everything we can to not cause anymore stress on his mom and I try to stay far away from her and not talk to her as much as possible.

that's my story...hope you enjoyed the saga!!

WOW I can honestly say reading that..you just gave me a headache!! lol thats horrible..I hope they turn around and do what is best!! I wouldnt want to get all in that mess!! Gessh almighty!!
I wanted a cat too..but then I thought about the litter box..and thats not something I want in my house lol!! I love cats but I am like you and I cant stand hair!! I wouldn't mind having one of those hairless ones that would be cool!! But I am over it I go see my Moms cats and all the hair and everything that comes with cats..EEK Then I get to leave and thats worth it to me !!

One time DH and I found like 6 baby kitties..and we took them in until they were old enought to adpot out!! omg that was an exciting month!! Peanut was like wtf what are all these little things running aroung attacking me!! It was nuts at our house lol.. Litter everywhere, they learned they had nails and they could claw their way on the couch!! gessh it was crazy, but fun

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by lovespandp

WOW I can honestly say reading that..you just gave me a headache!! lol thats horrible..I hope they turn around and do what is best!! I wouldnt want to get all in that mess!! Gessh almighty!!
I wanted a cat too..but then I thought about the litter box..and thats not something I want in my house lol!! I love cats but I am like you and I cant stand hair!! I wouldn't mind having one of those hairless ones that would be cool!! But I am over it I go see my Moms cats and all the hair and everything that comes with cats..EEK Then I get to leave and thats worth it to me !!

One time DH and I found like 6 baby kitties..and we took them in until they were old enought to adpot out!! omg that was an exciting month!! Peanut was like wtf what are all these little things running aroung attacking me!! It was nuts at our house lol.. Litter everywhere, they learned they had nails and they could claw their way on the couch!! gessh it was crazy, but fun

gosh i miss having little kitties around. they were and still are one of my most favorite animals. i LOVE LOVE tigers and wanted for years to grow up and own two cubs and raise them up in my "mansion" lol always the dreamer here. anyways, yea i hate the litter and i hate hair and i hate scratching up my stuff. not a house cat person here. i love em to death but i would rather keep them out in the barn!!

as for my yorkie, she slept in mama's bed all night last night no potty troubles and she was perfect cept daddy tried to kiss mommy this morning and just about squished hers