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Ladymom · 06-01-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

The primary difference between puppy mill breeders and backyard breeders is that backyard breeders generally have fewer dogs, and usually do treat their dogs better than a puppy mill breeder. They will often say things like, "I love my dogs, and all my dogs sleep in the same bed as me." However, neither do health testing, they ignore the advice from the YTCA on what's best for the breed, they don't breed to standard, and their primary reason for breeding is profit.

Backyard breeders aren't necessarily breeding dogs in their back yards. Many have darling nurseries in their home and treat their dogs extremely well.

All backyard breeders have one thing in common. They are breeding pet quality dogs who are not good representatives of the breed standard.

Here is a good comparison between backyard and reputable breeders:

Backyard Breeder vs. Reputable Breeder

Nancy1999 · 06-01-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin0327

I do agree that AKC is by far the best and pretty much only registry to consider but still not safeproof as far as making sure your getting a purebred pup and its still possible to register dogs who shouldt be there.
I guess I dont understand why we hold AKC up over the other registries if this can happen.

It's just one step in a process to finding a good breeder; it's not the only step. Since there aren't any other registries that are stricter, it's all we have; the other registries are totally useless. The AKC does kennel inspections, and does try to rid itself of the worst of breeders, but as long as someone is complying with state laws, there isn't much they can do. That's why it's really important to support state laws regarding breeding and the purchasing of dogs.

hasrv4fun · 06-01-2009, 11:56 AM

It is not true that only if you produce a certain # of litters that AKC will check you out and prehaps have your dogs DNA'd - while it is more likely to happen if you produce more than 7 it can happen with as few as 2 -

About the DNA test - it would be STUPID beyond belief for a breeder -either large or small that would do any of the above mentioned deals to register a litter or puppy that is not truly eligible - you see , it could happen that i suppose that one will get away with it but the customer that buys a puppy may decide to have it DNA'd for a large variety of reasons and that will open a can of worms that you would not believe -- I personally bought a pair of dogs from a supposedly reputable breeder ( since this event we all know she is not and she has been discussed on this forum in great detail - name given privately on request as i have no intention of turning this thread over to that again ) and when my first litter was born i decided to keep a male , which i had DNA'd - guess what- the dogs i bought and paid big money for were not possibly what their papers said - The breeder i bought from had to have every dog ( about 40 ) that she showed and bred etc dna's again and was suspended from AKC for years over this matter - So before any of you get the idea that there is a way around it - well maybe so but only for a while as you can be sure that when you do wrong someday it will come back to haunt you and bite you right in the butt - is your reputation and good name worth the sale of one puppy or doing dishonest dealings - so i would say that most sincere breeders out here are doing right - of course i can only speak for my self and if the world has disentegerated to the point that only dishonest people are out there breeding our beloved Yorkies - then i am honestly glad this is my last year and i will be riding off into the sunset in my motorhome with some of my darlings when i retire this year - Thanks to all that i have dealt with over the years and
Trust the breeder you are dealing with or don't deal with them - there are lots of good honest and caring people out there - just search for them but also remember they play by the rules and that cost money so don't expect to get a quality AKC baby for nothing .

ok enough of my spouting off

Wantyorkielov · 06-01-2009, 12:39 PM

It just go to show you that even those so called good breeder are not any better then some of the others. I guess you, just love what you got! Does not matter as long as you are happy with what you got!!

Nancy1999 · 06-01-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wantyorkielov

It just go to show you that even those so called good breeder are not any better then some of the others. I guess you, just love what you got! Does not matter as long as you are happy with what you got!!

I'm surprised this is what you got out of this thread, can you explain what you mean? I know my posts never intended to imply that some breeders weren't better than others. I never would have bought a dog from any breeder if I believed that. I would have only chosen a rescue.

Ladymom · 06-01-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I'm surprised this is what you got out of this thread, can you explain what you mean? I know my posts never intended to imply that some breeders weren't better than others. I never would have bought a dog from any breeder if I believed that. I would have only chosen a rescue.

I'm confused by your post also.

Nancy1999 · 06-01-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladymom

I'm confused by your post also.

Since you quoted me, does that mean my post confused you? Now I'm confused by your post, I guess I'm just confused today!

Wantyorkielov · 06-01-2009, 04:00 PM

I am just meaning that may be we should all just love the dogs that we have and not worry about if they are registered or not!!

To me there is not differents between the APRI and those people that will only give you limited registration for there dogs! Not worth the paper it is written on!!

Does it come down to they are not up to standard right?!?

Nancy1999 · 06-01-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Wantyorkielov

I am just meaning that may be we should all just love the dogs that we have and not worry about if they are registered or not!!

To me there is not differents between the APRI and those people that will only give you limited registration for there dogs! Not worth the paper it is written on!!

Does it come down to they are not up to standard right?!?

Well, I agree we should all love our dogs no matter what, but I believe it's important to encourage people to only support good breeders. I think it important to educate ourselves on what makes a good breeder, and how to find a good breeder, and then once we find a good breeder with high standards, and a breeding program in which we approve, we can feel a little more certain we are doing something to aid in the betterment of Yorkshire Terrier Breed. After all, if everyone stopped buying puppy mill dogs, puppy millers would go out of business, and if everyone stopped buying backyard breeder dogs, backyard breeders would stop purposeful breeding. If everyone stopped buying good breeders dogs, they would have to stop breeding, as well. So who do we want to breed the next generation of yorkies? I say only good ethical breeders who have studied the breed, and really know what they are doing. While we can't stop everyone from buying from bad breeders we can choose to support only good breeders and encourage others to do as well.

I didn't' register Joey because that would make him more valuable, he's already priceless. I registered Joey to show my support for the AKC and what they are trying to achieve. But I agree, its not papers that make a dog valuable, it's finding a reputable breeder who cares about producing healthy yorkies who look and act like yorkies. People shouldn't buy a dog because they feel that a certain kind is more prestigious or valuable or has more status, that's what cars are for!

Ladymom · 06-01-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Since you quoted me, does that mean my post confused you? Now I'm confused by your post, I guess I'm just confused today!

No, I agree with you and also am confused by her take away from this thread.

Are you confused now, too? LOL

Nancy1999 · 06-01-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladymom

No, I agree with you and also am confused by her take away from this thread.

Are you confused now, too? LOL

Ok, I got it now, lol, my mind has been a little boggled by some of the posts lately, and I don't know if I coming or going.

ILOVEYORKIES2 · 06-01-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chachi

The AKC wont register mix breeds either and other registries do.

That is not what was posted on here a few weeks ago.

ILOVEYORKIES2 · 06-01-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

APRI stands for America's Pet Registry Inc, and was started by commercial breeders, so basically, you are saying "puppy mill registry". Backyard breeders are also buying the dogs because they come with breeding rights. I'm not saying that a dog you get from them won't be adorable; I think all dogs are adorable, but if you are looking to breed in the future, you should only breed dogs that meet standard. Ethical breeders don't automatically give breeding rights, they know only certain dogs should be bred, and they believe you need education before you start breeding. If you are looking to breed in the future, many people think it's best to find a mentor.

AKC stands for "AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB" so I guess you would be supporting kennels if you buy an AKC dog?

Nancy1999 · 06-01-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ILOVEYORKIES2

That is not what was posted on here a few weeks ago.

Maybe you could post the link, and we could clear it up for you. What Chachi says is correct. There have been posts about the AKC registering mixed beeds for other types of tests, like agility, but they do not register them for breeding or confirmation. So occationally, you might read a thread, "AKC registers mix breeds", but you have to read the whole thing before you find out what that really means. In other words, a breeder could not register a mixed breed with the AKC, and try to sell the dog as being registered. I also believe any dog registered with them in one of the other programs, has to be neutered.

ILOVEYORKIES2 · 06-01-2009, 10:12 PM

APRI is one of the most excellent registries I have ever delt with. They do require a 3 generation pedigree before they will register any dog and most of the dogs are dual registered with AKC and trace back to AKC stud books.
There is no reason to dis APRI, they are running an honest business and making very little money where AKC fees have went thru the roof. Get an APRI dog and order a pedigree and you will probably see many AKC dogs in the line. So what's the difference??? A piece of paper! Sure don't make any difference in the dog!

06-01-2009, 11:56 AM	#18
hasrv4fun Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 496	misinformation It is not true that only if you produce a certain # of litters that AKC will check you out and prehaps have your dogs DNA'd - while it is more likely to happen if you produce more than 7 it can happen with as few as 2 - About the DNA test - it would be STUPID beyond belief for a breeder -either large or small that would do any of the above mentioned deals to register a litter or puppy that is not truly eligible - you see , it could happen that i suppose that one will get away with it but the customer that buys a puppy may decide to have it DNA'd for a large variety of reasons and that will open a can of worms that you would not believe -- I personally bought a pair of dogs from a supposedly reputable breeder ( since this event we all know she is not and she has been discussed on this forum in great detail - name given privately on request as i have no intention of turning this thread over to that again ) and when my first litter was born i decided to keep a male , which i had DNA'd - guess what- the dogs i bought and paid big money for were not possibly what their papers said - The breeder i bought from had to have every dog ( about 40 ) that she showed and bred etc dna's again and was suspended from AKC for years over this matter - So before any of you get the idea that there is a way around it - well maybe so but only for a while as you can be sure that when you do wrong someday it will come back to haunt you and bite you right in the butt - is your reputation and good name worth the sale of one puppy or doing dishonest dealings - so i would say that most sincere breeders out here are doing right - of course i can only speak for my self and if the world has disentegerated to the point that only dishonest people are out there breeding our beloved Yorkies - then i am honestly glad this is my last year and i will be riding off into the sunset in my motorhome with some of my darlings when i retire this year - Thanks to all that i have dealt with over the years and Trust the breeder you are dealing with or don't deal with them - there are lots of good honest and caring people out there - just search for them but also remember they play by the rules and that cost money so don't expect to get a quality AKC baby for nothing . ok enough of my spouting off __________________ Helen & Furkids HAVE YOU HUGGED YOUR YORKIE (or any dog)TODAY

06-01-2009, 04:00 PM	#23
Wantyorkielov Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 81	confussed I am just meaning that may be we should all just love the dogs that we have and not worry about if they are registered or not!! To me there is not differents between the APRI and those people that will only give you limited registration for there dogs! Not worth the paper it is written on!! Does it come down to they are not up to standard right?!?

06-01-2009, 12:39 PM	#19
Wantyorkielov Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 81	It just go to show you that even those so called good breeder are not any better then some of the others. I guess you, just love what you got! Does not matter as long as you are happy with what you got!!

06-01-2009, 10:12 PM	#30
ILOVEYORKIES2 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: USA Posts: 84	APRI is one of the most excellent registries I have ever delt with. They do require a 3 generation pedigree before they will register any dog and most of the dogs are dual registered with AKC and trace back to AKC stud books. There is no reason to dis APRI, they are running an honest business and making very little money where AKC fees have went thru the roof. Get an APRI dog and order a pedigree and you will probably see many AKC dogs in the line. So what's the difference??? A piece of paper! Sure don't make any difference in the dog!