APRI or AKC

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by ILOVEYORKIES2

AKC stands for "AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB" so I guess you would be supporting kennels if you buy an AKC dog?

Not sure what you mean by this post, there is nothing wrong with the word "kennel". Here are some of its meanings.

1. A shelter for a dog.
2. A pack of dogs, especially hounds.
3. An establishment where dogs are bred, trained, or boarded.
4. The lair of a wild animal, such as a fox.

[ILOVEYORKIES2]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Maybe you could post the link, and we could clear it up for you. What Chachi says is correct. There have been posts about the AKC registering mixed beeds for other types of tests, like agility, but they do not register them for breeding or confirmation. So occationally, you might read a thread, "AKC registers mix breeds", but you have to read the whole thing before you find out what that really means. In other words, a breeder could not register a mixed breed with the AKC, and try to sell the dog as being registered. I also believe any dog registered with them in one of the other programs, has to be neutered.

But if anyone else came on here asking about breeding mixed breeds they would be bashed to death. So why is it ok for AKC to do whatever it is they are doing? Money? That is what I think! Plain greed will destroy them.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by ILOVEYORKIES2

APRI is one of the most excellent registries I have ever delt with. They do require a 3 generation pedigree before they will register any dog and most of the dogs are dual registered with AKC and trace back to AKC stud books.
There is no reason to dis APRI, they are running an honest business and making very little money where AKC fees have went thru the roof. Get an APRI dog and order a pedigree and you will probably see many AKC dogs in the line. So what's the difference??? A piece of paper! Sure don't make any difference in the dog!

The conditions in which the breeding dogs are raised is the primary difference. As stated previously, APRI was started by commercial breeders. Many were kicked out of the AKC for inhumane conditions, and so they just started their own registry.

[ILOVEYORKIES2]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Not sure what you mean by this post, there is nothing wrong with the word "kennel". Here are some of its meanings.

1. A shelter for a dog.
2. A pack of dogs, especially hounds.
3. An establishment where dogs are bred, trained, or boarded.
4. The lair of a wild animal, such as a fox.

And APRI? I don't think we need to post the meaning of pets. We all know what pets are. There is no difference in an AKC dog and an APRI dog. Papers don't make a good pet.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by ILOVEYORKIES2

But if anyone else came on here asking about breeding mixed breeds they would be bashed to death. So why is it ok for AKC to do whatever it is they are doing? Money? That is what I think! Plain greed will destroy them.

Many people who had shelter dogs, or dogs of uncertain parentage wanted their dogs to be able to participate in agility trials, or other events. The members of AKC voted this in. No one is making anyone join.

[ILOVEYORKIES2]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

The conditions in which the breeding dogs are raised is the primary difference. As stated previously, APRI was started by commercial breeders. Many were kicked out of the AKC for inhumane conditions, and so they just started their own registry.

I seriously doubt it was inhumane conditions. If it were they would have surley been caught up to by now and shut down. I know a few breeders that left AKC because of the high fees. Actually they didn't leave but decided to dual register their dogs with APRI.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by ILOVEYORKIES2

I seriously doubt it was inhumane conditions. If it were they would have surley been caught up to by now and shut down. I know a few breeders that left AKC because of the high fees. Actually they didn't leave but decided to dual register their dogs with APRI.

This link has a list of all the breeders AKC has suspended AKC suspension index. Does APRI have a suspension list?

[ILOVEYORKIES2]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

This link has a list of all the breeders AKC has suspended AKC suspension index. Does APRI have a suspension list?

Do you know how old that list is? Many of those breeders have been allowed back even begged to come back to AKC. I am sure there are many that have been suspended from APRI and I am sure a list will be created when they feel a need for it. AKC didn't have a list for years and years either.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by ILOVEYORKIES2

I seriously doubt it was inhumane conditions. If it were they would have surley been caught up to by now and shut down. I know a few breeders that left AKC because of the high fees. Actually they didn't leave but decided to dual register their dogs with APRI.

I've heard of a few more so called "breeders" that left, so they say (or really got suspended) because they did not meet AKC requirements. Yes, the fees at AKC might be more but would still be worth it because in reality you do get more money when selling an AKC dog than other registries.

The other registries support and register puppymill dogs, period!!!!!!!!! They make money, have no ethics and no reason to close anyone down.

I think this is a lame excuse for bad breeders to defend the practice of using a substandard registry.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by ILOVEYORKIES2

I seriously doubt it was inhumane conditions. If it were they would have surley been caught up to by now and shut down. I know a few breeders that left AKC because of the high fees. Actually they didn't leave but decided to dual register their dogs with APRI.

If they left AKC because of high fees, then why would they dual register, which would involve fees from both registries?

I am sure there are some wonderful dogs with APRI registration. I have seen some beautiful pets here on YT with APRI registration. Nothing against those Yorkies! But knowing why it was started and the original participants, I could not contribute to their cause. I'd rather leave a dog unregistered than send money to them.

I do not think many breeders really left AKC because of high fees. Registration for a litter does not cost that much even now, and can easily be recooped in the price of puppies. Registering a litter with AKC is $25 plus $2 per pup -- hardly high enough to make a person change registries if that was the only reason. Sure APRI is only $5 per litter plus $1 per pup, but when you spread that difference of $20 over the cost of a litter, what is really at stake? The only ones that might affect to a sizeable amount are the puppymills selling hundreds of dogs a year.

No, breeders did not flock to the other registries until the DNA testing issues came up. Now, AKC breeders know that at any time, their puppies may be tested and they will be held accountable for the pedigree. Breeders who had often guessed which sire had mated their dam because of sloppy breeding practices, were now faced with being suspended and their reputations ruined.

Another thing to look at is what is the registry doing with the money? Are they just cranking out papers and pocketing the money? Or are they doing as the AKC does and promoting breeds, holding shows in agility, field trials,and confirmation? Are they active in educating the public? Are they active in missions to benefit dogs? You get the idea.

AKC is the only way I would go on a dog purchase, unless it was a rescue situation. CKC is fine if it means Canadian Kennel Club but the Continental Kennel Club also goes by CKC so you have to be careful. I am sure they did that on purpose, thinking they could ride the reputation coat tails of the other CKC.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by ILOVEYORKIES2

Do you know how old that list is? ...

Did you look through the list? It is a perpetual list that is constantly added to. You can find suspensions from the 1990's through to present. The dates suspensions start and the date the suspensions are over are both posted. It looks like most suspensions are for a period of 10 years.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by ILOVEYORKIES2

And APRI? I don't think we need to post the meaning of pets. We all know what pets are. There is no difference in an AKC dog and an APRI dog. Papers don't make a good pet.

Of course papers can and do make the dog, and I would rather bet my money on a AKC dog with a papers from an YTCA breeder than any other registry, ever. They test for health, disease, study the line, conformation, temperment....

I hate it when people justify bad breeding practices on untrue myths such as all registries are the same, papers mean nothing.... Papers may mean nothing with some registries but with others it's all the work and ethics that have to be held to get them. Not all registries have the same code, some have almost none.

People who may not have had the time, care or knowledge may say otherwise but in realitly you really do have a better chance at a heatlhy dog when it has been bred properly and held to AKC and hopefully YTCA requirements.

[danyellm]

I was mall shopping last weekend and of course went into the pet store (not buying)There was the cutest little yorkie there that was half white sitting in the cage.Now im thinking in my head could it be a parti or biewer but asked to see him.After holding him for a few minutes ,i noticed white hair all over my pants and shirt asked the girl if he was purbreed she said of course !He is AKC ,we know the breeder (ya know the typical spiel ya get)well thats the first yorkie i seen that shed like that ,of course he wasnt purebred but AKC none the same.
I think people need to take a more active role and look into the breeder ,health records ,ask questions and visit where the dogs are kept to see how their treated.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by danyellm

I was mall shopping last weekend and of course went into the pet store (not buying)There was the cutest little yorkie there that was half white sitting in the cage.Now im thinking in my head could it be a parti or biewer but asked to see him.After holding him for a few minutes ,i noticed white hair all over my pants and shirt asked the girl if he was purbreed she said of course !He is AKC ,we know the breeder (ya know the typical spiel ya get)well thats the first yorkie i seen that shed like that ,of course he wasnt purebred but AKC none the same.
I think people need to take a more active role and look into the breeder ,health records ,ask questions and visit where the dogs are kept to see how their treated.

A Yorkie can be purebred, AKC registered, yet not be close to the Yorkie standard. White is a color fault, but doesn't mean that the puppy isn't purebred.

A breeder whose puppies are AKC registered is a starting place, just one of the elements that make up a responsible breeder. To get a puppy who will grow up to look like a Yorkie is supposed to look, you need to find a breeder who is carefully breeding to the Yorkie standard. Because of their popularity, most of the Yorkies out there today are from backyard breeders who are breeding pet quality dogs.

[danyellm]

[QUOTE=Ladymom;2649765]A Yorkie can be purebred, AKC registered, yet not be close to the Yorkie standard. White is a color fault, but doesn't mean that the puppy isn't purebred.

I wasnt basing my conclusion not on the yorkies color but the fact it shed.Yorkies dont shed ....this puppy left hair all over me.