Everyone-PLEASE-read and THINK ABOUT....

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by Kelz

and this is my only response to Jencar98's 500 posts of bashing my organization. She was the one that introduced me to the world of auction.. she has single handled brought at LEAST 30 dogs into our rescue from auction. i tell that we have room for a few.. she buys 18 hands them over to me and then sends me a bill. so she should know exactly how much we spent because she is the one that paid for them!!!! and the last auction i was at, she was there.. she has gotten several breed rescues involved in auctions here in oklahoma as well.

And why did I buy 18 dogs Kelly? Because when I was at the auction and called you to ask how many I should get - in your own words - " as many as you can". Otherwise I would have never on my own bought that many dogs. And yes, I was at the last auction you were at, I never tried to deny my participation. But I do realize now more than ever it was wrong and admitted so in an earlier post. And "500 posts" now that's a laughable exaggeration!

and my last note... there is NEVER a single dollar made off ANY auction dog.. we probably put $200-$300 into an auction dog and adopt them out for $150.. this rescue does nothing but lose money but i would much rather see a dog know what it's like to have a real life than make a dollar..

We both know this isn't true Kelly. You've had to of made money or you wouldn't have had the funds to purchase more dogs. And unless I missed something it's been rare OKYR has $200-300 in costs for rescues.


If anyone feels the need to call and bash me personally my personal phone number is listed on our website.. feel free to call me if you want to talk but do NOT bash all of our wonderful volunteers that pour their heart and souls into helping these dogs.

I don't see anywhere in this thread that anyone bashed your volunteers. So stop trying to deflect attention from the real issue.

And you are wrong about a dog being turned away. I'm aware of one breeder surrender that I ended up turning down because I was told OKYR had no fosters available....I believe this was just after the biewer auction.

[sdtrippe]

quicksilver....for your response..It hit the nail on the head...Thankyou

[QuickSilver]

With all due respect then, why not just go and buy puppies from pet stores? Why not just throw up our hands and say the problem is unsolvable?

If you are truly paying $1 for a dog, then I apologize for blowing up here. But if you are paying any significant percentage of the dog's cost, then the miller is making money. Maybe your money is not going into the miller's revenue, but you are decreasing the operating costs. I have to think this is economical for the millers, because otherwise they wouldn't bring these dogs to auctions. Why bother with the trouble and expense if you are really only saving $1 per dog?

[Kelz]

Originally Posted by erickajm

It was brought up in this thread because you do have a large support system here. I know it may be hard because you are affiliated with this group. However, if you can step out of the box to see why the question would arise. You just stated that you were going to use your own money to buy a biewer for yourself... this is probably worse than the rescue doing it. You are not only putting money into the hands of these puppy mills but you are doing it for your own greed. I know it is hard to look into the faces of all the pups you see at auctions but to buy them all up is not only counterproductive but is in my opinion not an ethical move to make as a rescue.

I would love to have a biewer too but I would NEVER buy from a puppy mill. I would look to my fellow breeders who take the time to educate and take the time to place these babies.

it was not for myself...i got my biewer from a reputable breeder.. we really do not have a huge support system.. in fact we only have one person who i would call a supported to donates every month.. we have had an handful people donate stuff.

[Kelz]

Originally Posted by jencar98

And you are wrong about a dog being turned away. I'm aware of one breeder surrender that I ended up turning down because I was told OKYR had no fosters available....I believe this was just after the biewer auction.

i'm done.. you saying all this stuff is like the pot calling the kettle black.. you have done the exact same stuff as i have but you feel that god has forgiven you and that all is good now.. and i can promise you that the AVERAGE for any dog we have.. the vet bill is $200. and my mistake.. we turned away 1 dog out of 100 because we had 20 dogs at the time and you decided not to foster it until one was open.

you love to personally attack me.. just like when you call me on the phone.. you like to belittle me as much as you can.. i'm not perfect.. but i do feel that i am doing my part to help save yorkies and will continue you to do so! SOooooooooooooo go ahead and bash me all you want i will just smile and keep on doing what i do!

To everyone who has supported okyr thank you!

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by Kelz

it was not for myself...i got my biewer from a reputable breeder.. we really do not have a huge support system.. in fact we only have one person who i would call a supported to donates every month.. we have had an handful people donate stuff.

Wow - this kind of a slap in the face for ALL of those from YT that have supported OKYR and there have been many. All of the support may not be in monetary form but without all forms of support OKYR would have never had the successes it has.

[Hotel4Yorkies]

Originally Posted by jencar98

And you are wrong about a dog being turned away. I'm aware of one breeder surrender that I ended up turning down because I was told OKYR had no fosters available....I believe this was just after the biewer auction.

With the economy hitting everyone our foster homes are very low. And one was not turned away because of any biewer or any auction dog. It was my understanding that we would take your surrender as soon as a foster became available and the apps that we had were worked. We had several local surrenders at that time including 3 from one owner. Yours was never denied just asked for a little more time to have a foster home for him.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by Kelz

i'm done.. you saying all this stuff is like the pot calling the kettle black.. you have done the exact same stuff as i have but you feel that god has forgiven you and that all is good now.. and i can promise you that the AVERAGE for any dog we have.. the vet bill is $200. and my mistake.. we turned away 1 dog out of 100 because we had 20 dogs at the time and you decided not to foster it until one was open.

you love to personally attack me.. just like when you call me on the phone.. you like to belittle me as much as you can.. i'm not perfect.. but i do feel that i am doing my part to help save yorkies and will continue you to do so! SOooooooooooooo go ahead and bash me all you want i will just smile and keep on doing what i do!

To everyone who has supported okyr thank you!

Once again you're trying to deflect the attention away from the real issue here by trying to justify your actions by calling me out for past actions. And NO, I've not done the same things you have.....you don't want to open up that can of worms Kelly!

[Kelz]

Originally Posted by jencar98

Wow - this kind of a slap in the face for ALL of those from YT that have supported OKYR and there have been many. All of the support may not be in monetary form but without all forms of support OKYR would have never had the successes it has.

it's not a slap in the face.. everyone that has donated has received a thank you from me.. we have had a lot of support and thank you everyone for that.. at least we have some people who are more worried about the dogs than arguments.. you are so bitter! you've said your piece of mind.. just move on with life.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by Hotel4Yorkies

With the economy hitting everyone our foster homes are very low. And one was not turned away because of any biewer or any auction dog. It was my understanding that we would take your surrender as soon as a foster became available and the apps that we had were worked. We had several local surrenders at that time including 3 from one owner. Yours was never denied just asked for a little more time to have a foster home for him.

At the time I was told no fosters were available, nothing about give us more time.

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by Kelz

okay i was going to stay out of this but i no longer can.. yes i was prepared to spend several hundred on the biewers. what you all should know is that was MY OWN PERSONAL MONEY!!!!!! i do have a biewer and i am a biewer lover. Everyone on here is so interested in bashing us and not worried about any of these dogs!

So the donations you received in response to the thread you started on a biewer forum weren't used for this purpose?

[erickajm]

With respect to the original poster and the rescue itself. I do hope that we can continue to discuss this and remain somewhat civil. I am sure there will plenty of questions come tomorrow now that Kelz has posted. I am hopeful that maybe it will all make sense in the end.... hopeful.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by Kelz

you've said your piece of mind.. just move on with life.

LOL....you would like for me to move on and let this controversy be over for you, hmmm? And, No, I'm not bitter just felt like the truth should be told finally.

[andibaby]

OK-
I am going to steer the conversation back to the main topic. Purchasing dogs at auctions and who does it support? It is very obvious that some may feel it doesn't matter who it supports-it is about the inhumanity of leaving these babies.
Others feel that it supports everything we work so hard against-the perpetuation of a vicious cycle that will NEVER end without each and EVERY single person putting a stop to it.
To save one yorkie at a time is wonderful. But there are THOUSANDS and a bigger picture has to be looked at. A bigger solution.
Kelly-I have not said one bad thing about you or your fosters on this thread. I feel like YT is a HUGE supporter and that you are running a public organization.
There is not really a need for "bashing". Just say you are going to keep buying from auctions, your supporters and fellow rescues will know where you stand, and they can decide whether to support your rescue.
That is it. Glass house.

[Rusty's Momma]

Hoping to clear the air ....

I am a volunteer for OKYR.
I have seen Michelle, Kathy & Kelly discuss this matter in this thread.
Kelly probably said it best by saying this is a lose/lose situation. Each & every person is entitled to their own opinion as to what is right &/or with going to a dog auction.

OKYR has gone to dog auctions to save them from going back into yet another breeding program. We have saved puppies from ever knowing that life & having to go through the mental damage, we have saved seniors that needed to be given a great "rest of their life" & YES... we have taken Beiwers. NO matter the circumstance of each auction dog, the intent for each one was to put them in a loving foster home, show them love they more than likely never saw, get the necessary vet care, OF COURSE spay/neuter each one & find great homes to live happily ever after.

OKYR has also taken in MANY owner surrenders with COSTLY medical issues, strays & saved from shelters (kill & no kill) as well. Again with each of these the intent is to give them great forever lives.

If your opinion of auctions, is that you dont support the decision of going... OKYR respects your decision & would hope you might, in a slight way, understand the thought process of going to auctions. YES... it is a double edge sword but to save a few from that horrible life..it is what OKYR feels needs to be done.

As far as turing away the one Jen is talking about.. we can only take in what we have foster homes available for. We have foster homes that have had anywhere from 1-3 fosters PLUS their personal pets at one time. OKYR does its best to take in every single rescue possible, but we have to have room to do so.

In closing... if you choose to continue to support OKYR.. we greatly appreciate any & all support we can get. If you choose to not support OKYR b/c it goes to auction from time to time... we respect your decision.