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[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by YORKIE_mom_2008

good explination!

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[JaLaYorkieGirl]

Originally Posted by SophieMiloDazi

Will it ruin my purebred male Yorkie to breed with a female poodle that is not purebred?

To answer the original post...

I am not 100% sure what you mean by ruin. There was an old myth that if your dog was bred to another breed that they could never produce pure puppies later even when bred to the same breed later. This is not true.

Boys can really change though once they are bred, they can become very territorial and will mark in your home (our males have to wear a belly band), males who are in tact are at high risk of being hit by a car...they have an extra drive to escape from your yard or out your front door in search of a female and there are some health issues with males being unaltered also.

I do not believe in creating mixed breed puppies because I adamantly believe in breeding excellent examples of the breed to improve and work on the health and standard of one breed. I do not think you will do the poodle breed or the yorkie breed any justice. That said even when mixing it is very important to health screen both parents...yorkies should have knees checked, hips x-rays (Leggs Calves Perthes Disease), bile acids checked, and eyes cleared at the minimum for the breed. For poodles I believe it is very much the same...knees, hips, blood work, eyes (genetic test for PRA is available for toy poodles) and there may be more I am not sure.

Another myth that exists is that mixed breed dogs are healthier and after attending a recent genetics seminar we know this has been proven to not be true...you can actually increase the incidence of genetic health issues because you as the breeder have more control over containing issues in one breed instead of two.

[phfgkl]

I wasn't about to go through all the pages again..but to the one that said about on puppy find, there being over 3000 yorkie poos...I looked, there are almost 3000 yorkies for sale on there, and not even 300 yorkiepoos..Yorkie poos, morkies, etc are in very high demand..And I for one am glad a lot of the yorkie breeders are breeding..My sister has 3 morkies, 1 yorkie, 1 maltese..a guy that came out to her house(can't remember what the company he worked for was), but, he fell in love with her one morkie, said if she ever ran across a breeder of them in Texas, to give him the breeders name, as that's what he wants..I'm not sayng there is anything wrong with the way all of you think, but, there are a lot of people that want "designer dogs" over the purebreds, and they have their right to what they want, just like you and everyone else..

[diggy4]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

You have to remember..AKC(which I don't like to begin with) are the ones that changed the standards..do your homework...Yorkies used to be bred bigger(over twice the size as standard is now)..I have a throw back, she's 14 lbs. but one of the most beautiful yorkies I've ever seen...Now, if I would have known she was going to be this size, I would have bred her(that's right, you heard me right), I was told she would be 4 lbs full grown, so, that's why I had her spayed right away...The thing is, they wouldn't have been show dogs, and she's beautiful, and I know how big yorkies used to be, so, I wouldn' thave had a problem with it..AKC's as I said above, doesn't mean a hill of beans to me..I've had nothing but problems for years out of those people, and that's just been from registering dogs..they were more than happy to take my money, but, not to help me out when I needed them..

I have NO need to do homework...I could care less what the standard is I leave that to the people whom HAVE infact did their homework the breeders striving to better the breed. Ill continue on my merry way donating weekly to the rescues and trying my best to get them to their forever homes but thanks for the advice Oh by the way we are in the process of getting a rescue this weekend Im super excited. Im not sure if he is AKC or if he is "standard" I dont care! He has a big white patch on his chest so he may not even be all yorkie. He is 8 pounds not sure if he is "designer" either. Did you know with the tight AKC standards in place they have expanded the life span of dogs in the past 15 years by 3-7 years!!!! I find that very exciting! I also read the the dogs they are doing studies on, are infact AKC. Like I said both my dogs are out of standard. I jumped into buying them before I joined YT I wouldnt change a thing about having my babies. They are my world! I do wish my breeder would have done her homework tho. Diggy has grade 3-4 LP had seizures as a pup ALLLLL cuz my breeder didnt research her lines and know about hypoglycemia. Its sad. Now if you can buy a puppy from a RESPONSIBLE breeder and lower the risk of your dog having LP etc., you may pay more but your also lowering the risk of the 1,500-2,500 surgery I now face. I think your ahead of the game by buying the one from the Responsible breeder. OR you can buy the one from someone who says my doggie is cute and i want more of them to share, nice thought but your asking your dog to dog something he isnt capable of doing...your asking him to make babies free of stds, liver shunt, LP, etc and you prolly dont know your dogs grandparents let alone parents. Do you seriously think i say this to you because im a mean person??? Im not. Im saying this because i have been on here for awile now and i thougth the same way you did. I really did. I used to think my Diggy would have been a great stud and I meant it. I argued on here and got my feelings hurt like many others have. I soon realized its not that people are mean they just knew more than i did and when i took a lil time, searched rescues, etc. they were right! So you can be mad and post back to mean in a condescending way and thats ok. I'm ok with that. I used to be the same way. As to your comment on what the standard used to be, NOONE not 1 person can name breed that makes up the Original Standard Yorkie most of the breeds are exstinct. SO hard to say wether its 5-7-9-20 teapots are gonna pop up here and there and WOW are they CUTE. Ihave meany freinds on here with teapots. They are GREAT. I personally do not look at size to be a HUGE factor in what defines a standard. If i had a wish LP, Shunts, etc would not exist in the breed. Id love to someday have a 20 pound HEALTHY yorkie, that much more to love. WHat I dont want is another yorkie needing screws in his knees or flopping over on my kitchen floor in a seizure. Nothing is 100% but I would think someone knowing lines many many years back with health historys can give these guys a better chance of NOT having those issues rather than someone not even knowing 1 generation of health issues. SOrry if your offended by any of this I just Love dogs. I want whats best for them, not whats best for u or I.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

Alot of yorkie breeders are breeding yorkies/malteses, and believe me, right now, they're selling a lot better than the yorkies...there is a very high demand for them..

Not reputable breeders.....Ah! and there you said it; selling them alot better than yorkies........

To the Poster, you posted a loaded question therefore, because of all the diverse personalities on this board you're gonna get alot of answers, some you'll like, others you won't. As, another wise reputable/exhibitor breeder on YT once said; do you want an honest answer or do you want your ears tickled? So, just take all the information offerred (and you'll always get alot) and file it in your file cabinet (brain) and use it as you see fit. Oh! and yes you are a breeder, whether you have bred a hundred times or just once.

This is a Yorkie forum and this is the breeder section, the experienced breeders are here to help you learn.

Another thing, my stud's personalities have not changed; they are sweet and do not mark their territory inside the house. Took alot of work but, it can be accomplished with deligence and training.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

You have to remember..AKC(which I don't like to begin with) are the ones that changed the standards..do your homework...Yorkies used to be bred bigger(over twice the size as standard is now)..I have a throw back, she's 14 lbs. but one of the most beautiful yorkies I've ever seen...Now, if I would have known she was going to be this size, I would have bred her(that's right, you heard me right), I was told she would be 4 lbs full grown, so, that's why I had her spayed right away...The thing is, they wouldn't have been show dogs, and she's beautiful, and I know how big yorkies used to be, so, I wouldn' thave had a problem with it..AKC's as I said above, doesn't mean a hill of beans to me..I've had nothing but problems for years out of those people, and that's just been from registering dogs..they were more than happy to take my money, but, not to help me out when I needed them..

AKC did not change the standard, the YTCA controls it and changes it.

[YORKIE_mom_2008]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

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Well, thank god one of us knows how to spell! Guess I need another english class! (next semester) I beg for your forgiveness for my inadequate spelling skills oh mighty one!

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by YORKIE_mom_2008

Well, thank god one of us knows how to spell! Guess I need another english class! (next semester) I beg for your forgiveness for my inadequate spelling skills oh mighty one!

Yes, I aced spelling! And you are forgiven..!

[Smarty Bones]

Originally Posted by YORKIE_mom_2008

good explination!

Originally Posted by phfgkl

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You do a disservice to yourself and your argument by posting things like this. It's childish and mean spirited. You have also received some rude comments, which is also unfair to you. I don't know the YORKIE_mom_2008-- it may just be a typo. HOWEVER, please understand that there are people from all backgrounds and from different countries on this site. Calling someone out for misspelling a word alienates a significant piece of the YT community. I say this as someone who respects different points of view and has been learning from this thread.

Why don't I clarify with an example. Reread any of your posts. Then consider:

Grammar 101
Commas are not periods. Ellipsis are not periods. Periods delineate sentences. Sentences convey information and can be joined together to form beautiful paragraphs. And yet, you seem to fear the period. They appear so rarely in your posts. Why is that?

Please note: a period appears in isolation. Two or more dots strung together are not not a period.. <-- In writing, a row of dots in succession (usually 3, but can be any number >1) are ellipsis.

Not fun, is it?

[diggy4]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Not reputable breeders.....Ah! and there you said it; selling them alot better than yorkies........

To the Poster, you posted a loaded question therefore, because of all the diverse personalities on this board you're gonna get alot of answers, some you'll like, others you won't. As, another wise reputable/exhibitor breeder on YT once said; do you want an honest answer or do you want your ears tickled? So, just take all the information offerred (and you'll always get alot) and file it in your file cabinet (brain) and use it as you see fit. Oh! and yes you are a breeder, whether you have bred a hundred times or just once.

This is a Yorkie forum and this is the breeder section, the experienced breeders are here to help you learn.

Another thing, my stud's personalities have not changed; they are sweet and do not mark their territory inside the house. Took alot of work but, it can be accomplished with deligence and training.

Just a quick question for you. How many generations back do you know in your lines? You are one that changed my mind on breeding Diggy. And I want to thank you for that. I seen Diggys parents. Thats it. Wish i knew more. Well maybe I dont as he had MANY issues and still is battling LP Is LP something you can actually breed out of lines to an extent?

[diggy4]

Originally Posted by Smarty Bones

Manners 101
You do a disservice to yourself and your argument by posting things like this. It's childish and mean spirited. You have also received some rude comments, which is also unfair to you. I don't know the YORKIE_mom_2008-- it may just be a typo. HOWEVER, please understand that there are people from all backgrounds and from different countries on this site. Calling someone out for misspelling a word alienates a significant piece of the YT community. I say this as someone who respects different points of view and has been learning from this thread.

Why don't I clarify with an example. Reread any of your posts. Then consider:

Grammar 101
Commas are not periods. ellipsis are not periods. Periods delineate sentences. Sentences convey information and can be joined together to form beautiful paragraphs. And yet, you seem to fear the period. They appear so rarely in your posts. Why is that?

Please note: a period appears in isolation. Two or more dots strung together are not not a period.. <-- In writing, a row of dots in succession (usually 3, but can be any number >1) are ellipsis.

Not fun, is it?

your avatar is so CUTE! Sorry but i cannot look at it without gigglin'! Love it!

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by Smarty Bones

Manners 101
You do a disservice to yourself and your argument by posting things like this. It's childish and mean spirited. You have also received some rude comments, which is also unfair to you. I don't know the YORKIE_mom_2008-- it may just be a typo. HOWEVER, please understand that there are people from all backgrounds and from different countries on this site. Calling someone out for misspelling a word alienates a significant piece of the YT community. I say this as someone who respects different points of view and has been learning from this thread.

Why don't I clarify with an example. Reread any of your posts. Then consider:

Grammar 101
Commas are not periods. Ellipsis are not periods. Periods delineate sentences. Sentences convey information and can be joined together to form beautiful paragraphs. And yet, you seem to fear the period. They appear so rarely in your posts. Why is that?

Please note: a period appears in isolation. Two or more dots strung together are not not a period.. <-- In writing, a row of dots in succession (usually 3, but can be any number >1) are ellipsis.

Not fun, is it?

Doesn't bother me at all. I love spelling! There, one period.

[YORKIE_mom_2008]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

Yes, I aced spelling! And you are forgiven..!

I guess some people don't get the concept of sarcasm! Phfgkl it was a typo not a crime. Congrats on doing good in spelling though.

[johnnagraham]

Originally Posted by sophiemilodazi

wow!!! I didn't expect so many rude replies!! To those of you who were polite and helpful...thank you so much for the advice!!! That's all i wanted. Just to let everyone know i am not a breeder. However i have bred my yorkies before. I have 1male and 2 females. I have bred my male to both of my females, but have never considered crossbreeding. I was asked by a friend who has a poodle if i would be interested in breeding milo to her female. I am hesitant about this due to all the facts you all have listed. Most of you asked what i meant by ruin my male. I was referring to him marking the house and i've always heard that it ruins their genetics. I did not mean to offend anyone or anypup by using the term "ruin"!! Despite what some of you may say yorkiepoos are adorable and a very popular breed!! True dog/animal lovers donot care if there dog is purebred they accept them and love them for who they are not what papers come with them!!!!! Not everyone can afford a purebred yorkie!! I know lots of family's who would love to have one, but can not because of the cost. Unlike "breeders" i am not in this for the money!! I only asked a question didn’t expect to get my head bit off!!

great reply!!! There are some very mean people on yt. Do what jesus would do. Amen!

[Smarty Bones]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

Doesn't bother me at all. I love spelling! There, one period.

Wow. Surely, you understand that spelling and grammar are not the root issue of my post.

Is doesn't bother you to alienate a significant part of the community by calling people out for one misspelling? Ostensibly, the hurting others part does not phase you. However, it's hard to believe that it doesn't bother you that pettiness detracts from the beliefs you are expressing and weakens any arguments you put forth? Actually this applies to other posts here too -- believe me, I understand it's not been one-sided and can see why the OP was surprised

At any rate, I imagine this thread may get closed if it continues to devolve. Please stick around-- You have a lot to offer YT and vice versa. I just hope that sharing is done more responsibly in the future.