Breeding

[YORKIE_mom_2008]

Originally Posted by YORKIE_mom_2008

Maybe..... maybe not. years don't seem to have helped you much

Sorry I meant it does not seem to have helped SophieMiloDazi much

[shelby_rocks]

WOW! So ive been on here for a quick minute and ive never come across a post like this one! GEEZE!!

A question for the [experienced breeders].... what exactly do you all mean by breeding to "better" the breed?

Anyway, i feel bad for the op.... i dont think she should have been jumped that way, i mean would you all have done that "in person"?? That's crazy, lol....

I guess the saying goes for EVERYONE dont post if you're not prepared for the opinions given to ya!

As for the 17 yr old that is posting.... i love how passionate you are and im sure a lot of people here do too! however, i was raised to have respect for my elders and you dont seem to show much.

I'll probably be the next target because of this post but i, too, had to voice my opinion GOOD LUCK to everyone involved!!

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by diggy4

All I can say is your an ANGEL on earth for doing what you do Jen. You dont deserve to have to argue this point. Your far far far above it. You should be getting thanks, not having to read this.

In a perfect world we would have more threads titled "How do I get started getting a Rescue" rather than "How do I get started breeding"

And the funny thing is I bet every single breeder that is breeding for the RIGHT reasons and with the RIGHT knowledge agrees with what i just said and takes NO offense to what I said as the get what it REALLY means.

If you know me, you know Im not snotty, rude, nor am i anti-breeder in ANY way.

Thank you, although Kelly, Angi, Michelle, .....(the list goes on - we have the very best volunteers) deserve much more of the thanks and credit than I do.

I've spent hours crying about the ones I have to leave behind, or watch go to someone that I know will be used by byb's, to churn out even more cheap, sub-standard puppies.....it is a never ending cycle. Then to come on YT each day and see, one after another, after another announcing they are breeding, have puppies, will soon have puppies.....it's enough to make me want to..........

....Oh well, forget it....it doesn't matter what it makes me want to do. It only matters that regardless of what most that breed want to think about their breeding, they are adding to the enormous, sad, desperate situation of overpopulation. Even if their pups all go to good homes, some puppy somewhere else dies because of the over-breeding.

[hviola]

I've heard the term 'ruined' used before because of the bloodlines. Many breeders like to preserve the bloodlines of their dogs. (To keep closest to the standard.) I know a breeder that has a spay/neuter contract to preserve bloodlines. On some occasions she even kept the pup until it was fixed before she sold it. So, in their eyes, if the dog cross breeds, then the bloodlines are 'ruined'.

[usjunior]

[quote=yoyo27;2296404]Sorry you don't understand that when you ask a question on here you are going to get everyones opinions. These are there own opinions but you opened that door for it. Do you ask a question to get fake answers? You want people to lie to you? Or just want to hear the answer you want? There are mixed breeds out there. They call them designer dogs now day a fancier name then "mutes". It use to be these were accidents and those dogs were given away "free" to homes that would love them. Now we have alot of breeders out there that truely want to make the mistake of cross breeding.


First of all no one would have been expecting the responces that the OP has gotten from some on this thread. You say they are called designer dogs now days!!! To me that says that there must be a demand for them and from what I have read and heard yorkiepoos are a desired DESIGNER DOG. They are hardly concidered MUTS. They dont run around and breed in the parks and yards. They would be breed in a contoled setting assureing that they are the DESIGNER DOG of choice.

I to would like to know what you breeders concider a better breed of Yorkie? Enquireing minds want to know?????

As far as the 17 year old that seems to think that she has all the answers. No I havent seen any of you previous posts, but I do think you need to read more posts and respond less until you learn how do do it in an appropriate manner.

[diggy4]

OK Im sorry I am cracking up at those that wanna hold 17 years against this young girl who said everything PERFECT and secondly VERY few breeders have even posted on this thread because it is so far OUT of control that I am certain it will be closed in brief time. To better the breed means.....
Good bloodlines, HEALTHY bloodlines...Im sure some will have to use the google or search button to understand what i am about to say......LP free, OFA certified, eyes cert., straight topline, STD Free, AKC standard traits (muzzle, jaw, coat, SIZE, etc.) and thats prolly 6 of 100+ things you breed for. You cant ask a dog to do what it is genetically not capable of doing. Neither of mine are capable hence why they are spayed and neutered. My dogs are beautiful and i love them enough to understand they are far from breeding material. I dont see the OP getting jumped on at all people tried from the very first post to help her understand the responsibilty of breeding and what she is asking her dog to do. But Lord forbid one hears the truth about breeding which is obviously is what some didn't wanna hear. All it takes is one quick trip to AKC to understand what some are saying. or better yet why dont we all make a quick click on any one of the following

OK Yorkie Rescue

Yorkshire Terrier National Rescue Inc. Information

United Yorkie Rescue

adopt-a-yorkie.adoptapet.com

Rescue Me Yorkie Rescue

Welcome to Save A Yorkie Rescue, Inc.

Yorkie Haven Rescue

all ya have to do is put yorkie rescue in the google search bar for this
Results 1 - 10 of about 827,000 for yorkie rescues

827,000 sites.........

[YORKIE_mom_2008]

Originally Posted by shelby_rocks

WOW! So ive been on here for a quick minute and ive never come across a post like this one! GEEZE!!

A question for the [experienced breeders].... what exactly do you all mean by breeding to "better" the breed?

Anyway, i feel bad for the op.... i dont think she should have been jumped that way, i mean would you all have done that "in person"?? That's crazy, lol....

I guess the saying goes for EVERYONE dont post if you're not prepared for the opinions given to ya!

As for the 17 yr old that is posting.... i love how passionate you are and im sure a lot of people here do too! however, i was raised to have respect for my elders and you dont seem to show much.

I'll probably be the next target because of this post but i, too, had to voice my opinion GOOD LUCK to everyone involved!!

[quote=usjunior;2297441]

Originally Posted by yoyo27

Sorry you don't understand that when you ask a question on here you are going to get everyones opinions. These are there own opinions but you opened that door for it. Do you ask a question to get fake answers? You want people to lie to you? Or just want to hear the answer you want? There are mixed breeds out there. They call them designer dogs now day a fancier name then "mutes". It use to be these were accidents and those dogs were given away "free" to homes that would love them. Now we have alot of breeders out there that truely want to make the mistake of cross breeding.


First of all no one would have been expecting the responces that the OP has gotten from some on this thread. You say they are called designer dogs now days!!! To me that says that there must be a demand for them and from what I have read and heard yorkiepoos are a desired DESIGNER DOG. They are hardly concidered MUTS. They dont run around and breed in the parks and yards. They would be breed in a contoled setting assureing that they are the DESIGNER DOG of choice.

I to would like to know what you breeders concider a better breed of Yorkie? Enquireing minds want to know?????

As far as the 17 year old that seems to think that she has all the answers. No I havent seen any of you previous posts, but I do think you need to read more posts and respond less until you learn how do do it in an appropriate manner.

This is the "17 year old" posting. I am not sure why that detail is being targeted as I already know and have more passion for the yorkie breed then alot of people ever will. For those who did not deserve to be spoken to rudely and/or disrespectfully, I sincerly am sorry for what I said. As for those who are inadvertently dragging the yorkie breed down, I beg you to reconsider and if you want to breed then please please please use your energy to better the breed not fill shelters. There are both pure and mixed breed dogs there after all.

[YORKIE_mom_2008]

Originally Posted by diggy4

OK Im sorry I am cracking up at those that wanna hold 17 years against this young girl who said everything PERFECT and secondly VERY few breeders have even posted on this thread because it is so far OUT of control that I am certain it will be closed in brief time. To better the breed means.....
Good bloodlines, HEALTHY bloodlines...Im sure some will have to use the google or search button to understand what i am about to say......LP free, OFA certified, eyes cert., straight topline, STD Free, AKC standard traits (muzzle, jaw, coat, SIZE, etc.) and thats prolly 6 of 100+ things you breed for. You cant ask a dog to do what it is genetically not capable of doing. Neither of mine are capable hence why they are spayed and neutered. My dogs are beautiful and i love them enough to understand they are far from breeding material. I dont see the OP getting jumped on at all people tried from the very first post to help her understand the responsibilty of breeding and what she is asking her dog to do. But Lord forbid one hears the truth about breeding which is obviously is what some didn't wanna hear. All it takes is one quick trip to AKC to understand what some are saying. or better yet why dont we all make a quick click on any one of the following

OK Yorkie Rescue

Yorkshire Terrier National Rescue Inc. Information

United Yorkie Rescue

adopt-a-yorkie.adoptapet.com

Rescue Me Yorkie Rescue

Welcome to Save A Yorkie Rescue, Inc.

Yorkie Haven Rescue

all ya have to do is put yorkie rescue in the google search bar for this
Results 1 - 10 of about 827,000 for yorkie rescues

827,000 sites.........

Thank you! I do not mean to sound mean its just that sometimes people irk me and I admit that I lost my temper. And as it says above I am sorry that I offended people. I kinda wonder how this thread would have turned if someone hadn't brought up the fact that I am 17.

[diggy4]

This is the "17 year old" posting. I am not sure why that detail is being targeted as I already know and have more passion for the yorkie breed then alot of people ever will. For those who did not deserve to be spoken to rudely and/or disrespectfully, I sincerly am sorry for what I said. As for those who are inadvertently dragging the yorkie breed down, I beg you to reconsider and if you want to breed then please please please use your energy to better the breed not fill shelters. There are both pure and mixed breed dogs there after all.[/quote]

Renee, again I will say to you I commend your efforts for the breed and if every learned as much as you know at 17, the world would be a much better place. Breeders are NOT bad. Breeders that respect the breed and do their homework that is. It appreas you fully understand that concept and its a beautiful thing to read. Oh and Im 37 and read millions of posts on this forum for over a year and a half now
I have MANY great friends on here that are breeders and I love them to pieces and I am sure you will fit right in with each one of them and they will respect what you are saying to the fullest! Wise beyond your years and I personally thank you for that! We prolly should X out of this thread and not look back as its far beyond saving at this point and my guess is will be closed soon.

As far as being 17, its intimidating to those that you answer as you know more than them and your so young. There is a girl on here named Megan, I think she is around your age and she has the most WONDERFUL posts I have ever read. VERY kind and wise. Your age is only an issue to those that have their own insecurities. I happen to think your points are valid and impressive for 17.

[usjunior]

OK ! So tell me what is bettering the breed????? What does that mean!!! Explain it to me so that I will better understand! All I see is breeders wanting smaller and smaller Yorkies so that they can get more money because that is what everybody wants!! The teacup yorkies! ( yeah, yeah, I know there is no such thing as teacup so I guess we will just call them itty bitty .) My Yorkies ar 14 and 8 lbs. I have had no health issues at all with them and they are 4 and 5 years old. My vet always brags on their size and tells me what nice Yorkies I have. But why dont YOU tell me what breeders are doing to better the breed!

[YORKIE_mom_2008]

Originally Posted by usjunior

OK ! So tell me what is bettering the breed????? What does that mean!!! Explain it to me so that I will better understand! All I see is breeders wanting smaller and smaller Yorkies so that they can get more money because that is what everybody wants!! The teacup yorkies! ( yeah, yeah, I know there is no such thing as teacup so I guess we will just call them itty bitty .) My Yorkies ar 14 and 8 lbs. I have had no health issues at all with them and they are 4 and 5 years old. My vet always brags on their size and tells me what nice Yorkies I have. But why dont YOU tell me what breeders are doing to better the breed!

A good breeder breeds as close to the standard as possible and spays/neuters the ones who are not and sells them as pets. Google AKC yorkshire terrier breed standard for details.

[diggy4]

Originally Posted by usjunior

OK ! So tell me what is bettering the breed????? What does that mean!!! Explain it to me so that I will better understand! All I see is breeders wanting smaller and smaller Yorkies so that they can get more money because that is what everybody wants!! The teacup yorkies! ( yeah, yeah, I know there is no such thing as teacup so I guess we will just call them itty bitty .) My Yorkies ar 14 and 8 lbs. I have had no health issues at all with them and they are 4 and 5 years old. My vet always brags on their size and tells me what nice Yorkies I have. But why dont YOU tell me what breeders are doing to better the breed!

If you breed 2 dogs whose lines are tested YEARS AND YEARS and even more YEARS back that contain NONE of the following.......Your bettering the breed. Thats what it means.

As with many purebred dogs, the Yorkshire Terrier is prone to certain genetic disorders, including distichiasis, hydrocephalus, hypoplasia of dens, Legg-Perthes disease, patellar luxation, portosystemic shunt, retinal dysplasia, tracheal collapse and bladder stones.[28] The following are among the most common congenital defects that affect Yorkies.

Distichiae, eyelashes arising from an abnormal spot (usually the duct of the meibomian gland at the edge of the eyelid), are often found in Yorkies.[23] Distichiae can irritate the eye and cause tearing, squinting, inflammation, and corneal abrasions or corneal ulcers and scarring. Treatment options may include manual removal, electrolysis or surgery.[29]
Hypoplasia of dens is a non-formation of the pivot point of the second cervical vertebra, which leads to spinal cord damage.[28] Onset of the condition may occur at any age, producing signs ranging from neck pain to quadriplegia.[22]
Legg-Perthes disease, which causes the top of the femur (thigh bone) to degenerate, occurs in Yorkies in certain lines.[30] The condition appears to result from insufficient circulation to the area around the hip joint.[7] As the blood supply is reduced, the bone in the head of the femur collapses and dies and the cartilage coating around it becomes cracked and deformed.[30] Usually the disease appears when the Yorkie is young (between five and eight months of age); signs are pain, limping or lameness.[31] The standard treatment is surgery to remove the affected part of the bone.[31] Following surgery, muscles hold the femur in place and fibrous tissue forms in the area of removal to prevent bone rubbing on bone.[32] Although the affected leg will be slightly shorter than prior to surgery, the Yorkie may regain almost normal use.[31]
Luxating patellas (slipping kneecaps) are another common genetic defect in Yorkies.[7] Weak ligaments and tendons in the knee or malformed (too shallow) patellar grooves, allow the patella to slip out of its groove sideways.[7][33] This causes the leg to 'lock up' with the foot held off the ground.[33] A dog with this problem may experience frequent pain and lameness or may be bothered by it only on occasion.[7] Over time, the patellar ridges can become worn down, making the groove even more shallow and causing the dog to become increasingly lame.[33] Surgery is the main treatment option available for luxating patellas, although it is not necessary for every dog with the condition.[7]
Portosystemic shunt, a congenital malformation of the portal vein (which brings blood to the liver for cleansing), is also common in Yorkies.[7] In this condition some of the dog's blood bypasses the liver and the “dirty” blood goes on to poison the heart, brain, lungs and other organs with toxins. A Yorkie with this condition might exhibit a wide variety of symptoms, such as small stature, poor appetite, weak muscle development, decreased ability to learn, inferior coordination, occasional vomiting and diarrhea, behavioral abnormalities, seizures (especially after a meal), blindness, coma and death.[7] Often the shunt can be treated with surgery.
Tracheal collapse, caused by a progressive weakening of the walls of the trachea, occurs in many toy breeds, especially very tiny Yorkies.[34] As a result of genetics, the walls of the trachea can be flaccid, a condition that becomes more severe with age.[7] Cushing's disease, a disorder that causes production of excess steroid hormone by the adrenal glands, can also weaken cartilage and lead to tracheal collapse.[35] There is a possibility that physical strain on the neck might cause or contribute to trachea collapse. Since this is usually caused by an energetic Yorkie pulling against his collar, many veterinarians recommend use of a harness for leashed walks.[34] An occasional “goose honking” cough, especially on exertion or excitement, is usually the first sign of this condition.[34] Over time, the cough may become almost constant in the Yorkie’s later life.[7] Breathing through the obstruction of a collapsed (or partially collapsed) trachea for many years can result in complications, including chronic lung disease.[7] The coughing can be countered with cough suppressants and bronchodilators.[34] If the collapse is advanced and unresponsive to medication, sometimes surgery can repair the trachea.

I also included the definitions of each of the issues COMMON in Yorkies to save the trip to the google button. enjoy!

[YORKIE_mom_2008]

Originally Posted by diggy4

If you breed 2 dogs whose lines are tested YEARS AND YEARS and even more YEARS back that contain NONE of the following.......Your bettering the breed. Thats what it means.

As with many purebred dogs, the Yorkshire Terrier is prone to certain genetic disorders, including distichiasis, hydrocephalus, hypoplasia of dens, Legg-Perthes disease, patellar luxation, portosystemic shunt, retinal dysplasia, tracheal collapse and bladder stones.[28] The following are among the most common congenital defects that affect Yorkies.

Distichiae, eyelashes arising from an abnormal spot (usually the duct of the meibomian gland at the edge of the eyelid), are often found in Yorkies.[23] Distichiae can irritate the eye and cause tearing, squinting, inflammation, and corneal abrasions or corneal ulcers and scarring. Treatment options may include manual removal, electrolysis or surgery.[29]
Hypoplasia of dens is a non-formation of the pivot point of the second cervical vertebra, which leads to spinal cord damage.[28] Onset of the condition may occur at any age, producing signs ranging from neck pain to quadriplegia.[22]
Legg-Perthes disease, which causes the top of the femur (thigh bone) to degenerate, occurs in Yorkies in certain lines.[30] The condition appears to result from insufficient circulation to the area around the hip joint.[7] As the blood supply is reduced, the bone in the head of the femur collapses and dies and the cartilage coating around it becomes cracked and deformed.[30] Usually the disease appears when the Yorkie is young (between five and eight months of age); signs are pain, limping or lameness.[31] The standard treatment is surgery to remove the affected part of the bone.[31] Following surgery, muscles hold the femur in place and fibrous tissue forms in the area of removal to prevent bone rubbing on bone.[32] Although the affected leg will be slightly shorter than prior to surgery, the Yorkie may regain almost normal use.[31]
Luxating patellas (slipping kneecaps) are another common genetic defect in Yorkies.[7] Weak ligaments and tendons in the knee or malformed (too shallow) patellar grooves, allow the patella to slip out of its groove sideways.[7][33] This causes the leg to 'lock up' with the foot held off the ground.[33] A dog with this problem may experience frequent pain and lameness or may be bothered by it only on occasion.[7] Over time, the patellar ridges can become worn down, making the groove even more shallow and causing the dog to become increasingly lame.[33] Surgery is the main treatment option available for luxating patellas, although it is not necessary for every dog with the condition.[7]
Portosystemic shunt, a congenital malformation of the portal vein (which brings blood to the liver for cleansing), is also common in Yorkies.[7] In this condition some of the dog's blood bypasses the liver and the “dirty” blood goes on to poison the heart, brain, lungs and other organs with toxins. A Yorkie with this condition might exhibit a wide variety of symptoms, such as small stature, poor appetite, weak muscle development, decreased ability to learn, inferior coordination, occasional vomiting and diarrhea, behavioral abnormalities, seizures (especially after a meal), blindness, coma and death.[7] Often the shunt can be treated with surgery.
Tracheal collapse, caused by a progressive weakening of the walls of the trachea, occurs in many toy breeds, especially very tiny Yorkies.[34] As a result of genetics, the walls of the trachea can be flaccid, a condition that becomes more severe with age.[7] Cushing's disease, a disorder that causes production of excess steroid hormone by the adrenal glands, can also weaken cartilage and lead to tracheal collapse.[35] There is a possibility that physical strain on the neck might cause or contribute to trachea collapse. Since this is usually caused by an energetic Yorkie pulling against his collar, many veterinarians recommend use of a harness for leashed walks.[34] An occasional “goose honking” cough, especially on exertion or excitement, is usually the first sign of this condition.[34] Over time, the cough may become almost constant in the Yorkie’s later life.[7] Breathing through the obstruction of a collapsed (or partially collapsed) trachea for many years can result in complications, including chronic lung disease.[7] The coughing can be countered with cough suppressants and bronchodilators.[34] If the collapse is advanced and unresponsive to medication, sometimes surgery can repair the trachea.

I also included the definitions of each of the issues COMMON in Yorkies to save the trip to the google button. enjoy!

good explination!

[melc]

Originally Posted by diggy4

If you breed 2 dogs whose lines are tested YEARS AND YEARS and even more YEARS back that contain NONE of the following.......Your bettering the breed. Thats what it means.

As with many purebred dogs, the Yorkshire Terrier is prone to certain genetic disorders, including distichiasis, hydrocephalus, hypoplasia of dens, Legg-Perthes disease, patellar luxation, portosystemic shunt, retinal dysplasia, tracheal collapse and bladder stones.[28] The following are among the most common congenital defects that affect Yorkies.

Distichiae, eyelashes arising from an abnormal spot (usually the duct of the meibomian gland at the edge of the eyelid), are often found in Yorkies.[23] Distichiae can irritate the eye and cause tearing, squinting, inflammation, and corneal abrasions or corneal ulcers and scarring. Treatment options may include manual removal, electrolysis or surgery.[29]
Hypoplasia of dens is a non-formation of the pivot point of the second cervical vertebra, which leads to spinal cord damage.[28] Onset of the condition may occur at any age, producing signs ranging from neck pain to quadriplegia.[22]
Legg-Perthes disease, which causes the top of the femur (thigh bone) to degenerate, occurs in Yorkies in certain lines.[30] The condition appears to result from insufficient circulation to the area around the hip joint.[7] As the blood supply is reduced, the bone in the head of the femur collapses and dies and the cartilage coating around it becomes cracked and deformed.[30] Usually the disease appears when the Yorkie is young (between five and eight months of age); signs are pain, limping or lameness.[31] The standard treatment is surgery to remove the affected part of the bone.[31] Following surgery, muscles hold the femur in place and fibrous tissue forms in the area of removal to prevent bone rubbing on bone.[32] Although the affected leg will be slightly shorter than prior to surgery, the Yorkie may regain almost normal use.[31]
Luxating patellas (slipping kneecaps) are another common genetic defect in Yorkies.[7] Weak ligaments and tendons in the knee or malformed (too shallow) patellar grooves, allow the patella to slip out of its groove sideways.[7][33] This causes the leg to 'lock up' with the foot held off the ground.[33] A dog with this problem may experience frequent pain and lameness or may be bothered by it only on occasion.[7] Over time, the patellar ridges can become worn down, making the groove even more shallow and causing the dog to become increasingly lame.[33] Surgery is the main treatment option available for luxating patellas, although it is not necessary for every dog with the condition.[7]
Portosystemic shunt, a congenital malformation of the portal vein (which brings blood to the liver for cleansing), is also common in Yorkies.[7] In this condition some of the dog's blood bypasses the liver and the “dirty” blood goes on to poison the heart, brain, lungs and other organs with toxins. A Yorkie with this condition might exhibit a wide variety of symptoms, such as small stature, poor appetite, weak muscle development, decreased ability to learn, inferior coordination, occasional vomiting and diarrhea, behavioral abnormalities, seizures (especially after a meal), blindness, coma and death.[7] Often the shunt can be treated with surgery.
Tracheal collapse, caused by a progressive weakening of the walls of the trachea, occurs in many toy breeds, especially very tiny Yorkies.[34] As a result of genetics, the walls of the trachea can be flaccid, a condition that becomes more severe with age.[7] Cushing's disease, a disorder that causes production of excess steroid hormone by the adrenal glands, can also weaken cartilage and lead to tracheal collapse.[35] There is a possibility that physical strain on the neck might cause or contribute to trachea collapse. Since this is usually caused by an energetic Yorkie pulling against his collar, many veterinarians recommend use of a harness for leashed walks.[34] An occasional “goose honking” cough, especially on exertion or excitement, is usually the first sign of this condition.[34] Over time, the cough may become almost constant in the Yorkie’s later life.[7] Breathing through the obstruction of a collapsed (or partially collapsed) trachea for many years can result in complications, including chronic lung disease.[7] The coughing can be countered with cough suppressants and bronchodilators.[34] If the collapse is advanced and unresponsive to medication, sometimes surgery can repair the trachea.

I also included the definitions of each of the issues COMMON in Yorkies to save the trip to the google button. enjoy!

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for this post!! My response doesn't have anything to do with Milo, (sorry), as it does with the buyers of Yorkies who have done no research into the breed, and then complain when any of these COMMON problems occur. What you have written should be attached to all contracts to the new owner and also discussed by by the breeder before any money is ever exchanged! Sorry to get off of the subject...

[phfgkl]

You have to remember..AKC(which I don't like to begin with) are the ones that changed the standards..do your homework...Yorkies used to be bred bigger(over twice the size as standard is now)..I have a throw back, she's 14 lbs. but one of the most beautiful yorkies I've ever seen...Now, if I would have known she was going to be this size, I would have bred her(that's right, you heard me right), I was told she would be 4 lbs full grown, so, that's why I had her spayed right away...The thing is, they wouldn't have been show dogs, and she's beautiful, and I know how big yorkies used to be, so, I wouldn' thave had a problem with it..AKC's as I said above, doesn't mean a hill of beans to me..I've had nothing but problems for years out of those people, and that's just been from registering dogs..they were more than happy to take my money, but, not to help me out when I needed them..