mixing breeds

[PCMom]

Originally Posted by lucysyoyopoos

arent there any laws to protect these dogs???

Not really or not enough. Money talks.

Peppers breeder didn't feel she was doing anything wrong either...and yet my beautiful boy is dead of an illness that made his life a living hell. Don't take this as a slam but...this is America and they are allowed to do as they want with their dogs too. Sadly, just because you can doesn't mean you should. My Pepper's illness was caused by bad breeding. I paid a lot of money for him so by your logic I should have gotten a very healthy dog. No I am not saying you are a bad breeder but I will tell you that his breeder says she isn't either. And my baby is dead. Some on here know my Pepper and what we went through for 3 years. They were with me while I held him as he was put to sleep. I know he had siblings who most likely have the same illness and if their owners are breeding them they are producing puppies with the same genes who will get sick like Pepper did. This is very personal for me because I still hurt over losing him on 6-27-07. I was NEVER going to get another dog because of it...then a good breeder who knew Pepper gave me my little girl. I would be lying to you if I said I don't worry about her getting sick even though I know her breeder and have seen her puppies grow and be healthy for 3 years.

Sorry for getting on the soapbox. All I ask, in Pepper's Name, is please think carefully before you do ANY breeding. Please get their health checked very very carefully. Talk to other breeders and find out all the things you should know to keep your dogs and their puppies safe and healthy.

[lucysyoyopoos]

what was wrong with pepper??
how do dogs get these illnesses?

Originally Posted by PCMom

Not really or not enough. Money talks.

Peppers breeder didn't feel she was doing anything wrong either...and yet my beautiful boy is dead of an illness that made his life a living hell. Don't take this as a slam but...this is America and they are allowed to do as they want with their dogs too. Sadly, just because you can doesn't mean you should. My Pepper's illness was caused by bad breeding. I paid a lot of money for him so by your logic I should have gotten a very healthy dog. No I am not saying you are a bad breeder but I will tell you that his breeder says she isn't either. And my baby is dead. Some on here know my Pepper and what we went through for 3 years. They were with me while I held him as he was put to sleep. I know he had siblings who most likely have the same illness and if their owners are breeding them they are producing puppies with the same genes who will get sick like Pepper did. This is very personal for me because I still hurt over losing him on 6-27-07. I was NEVER going to get another dog because of it...then a good breeder who knew Pepper gave me my little girl. I would be lying to you if I said I don't worry about her getting sick even though I know her breeder and have seen her puppies grow and be healthy for 3 years.

Sorry for getting on the soapbox. All I ask, in Pepper's Name, is please think carefully before you do ANY breeding. Please get their health checked very very carefully. Talk to other breeders and find out all the things you should know to keep your dogs and their puppies safe and healthy.

[lucysyoyopoos]

i will get my dogs tested before i breed again.. thank you

Originally Posted by lucysyoyopoos

what was wrong with pepper??
how do dogs get these illnesses?

[Lillium]

Originally Posted by lucysyoyopoos

so sorry, i guess im just responding to others telling me its for the money.
i noticed some breeders really do it right. they thoroughly screen by asking the right questions..

Well are you going to screen your potential buyers? You seem so adamant about the fact that your dogs won't end up in animal shelters, how can you be assured of this? Will you make it a rule to your purchasers that if they cannot keep the dog, then you'll take it back and give them their money back? What are going to be your policies Will you provide health guarantees? If so, what will they entail?

In regards to making money, some breeders are lucky if they break even after having a litter and selling the pups. There are all sorts of tests, procedures etc that ethical breeders undertake both before and after the birth of the pups. There can be unforseen circumstances, such as expensive c-sections, emergency vet visits etc. These can cost a lot of money.

If breeders are in it purely for the money, then I would be concerned that all the necessary care hasn't been taken as it would take a large chunk out of the profits.

[Catrina]

Originally Posted by browniesmom622

I really dont know why you guy's even respond to this

[NanaDtreasures]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

First of all I could be wrong but I do not believe Chrissy from NJ is a breeder. Secondly, OHIO do I have to say anymore. Sorry for those in Ohio that are reputable good breeders but unfortuantely OHIO is one of the biggest puppymill states and it looks as though this OP is on her way to being part of that big circle. How old are the dogs you are planning to breed? You make mention of your dogs being under a year old.

I'm from Ohio
The reason that Ohio has a lot of puppy mills is because the AMISH
do this to make a living.
Tho I have seen wonderful Amish barns clean as can be.
I do NOT approve of kenneling dogs.
Dogs need to be loved and part of the family.
But in the Wooster /Millersburg/Berlin/Mount Hope area the largest settlement of Amish in the United States live. Google it and you'll see
Ohio is not a "puppy mill state" Amish Country is a puppy mill AREA
tho I think this OP is just a troll or I sure hope so!!!

[PCMom]

Originally Posted by lucysyoyopoos

what was wrong with pepper??
how do dogs get these illnesses?

Pepper had an illness called Cerebellar Abiotrophy. It is a neurological illness that attacks the entire nervous system. At the end he couldn't stand, walk, eat, drink, play or pee without me to hold him up. On the day I put him to sleep the vet told me they believe now that this illness is caused by inbreeding. There is no cure for it and it was hell watching him struggle every single day for hours at a time just to get across the room. He also vomited everyday and coughed badly everytime he drank water. He was a very happy little boy who kept going even while he struggled. When it first started the spells would last only a few minutes...we saw it the first night we brought him home...at the end he was like that about 85% of the time. We were told that both parents carried the gene and most likely one of them had an active case of it. As I said, it was caused by bad breeding. There is a chance that if both parents didn't have it Pepper would not have had an active case of it BUT (this is very important) they STILL would have passed on the gene to each and everyone of their offspring. So if someone bred the offspring to another pup that had the gene it would happen again. That is why I said talk to other breeders! They can tell you what to test for and how to keep your dogs safe. I would never be a breeder because for me the risk is just too great of cause another pup to suffer the way my Pepper did.

[lucysyoyopoos]

i do screen buyers, and will take them back if they are not wanted.
im sure all breeders have these issues, yes i will be testing all my dogs.
they appear healthy, but i do want to be responsible. it is a big responsibilty
guarantees yes..

Originally Posted by Lillium

Well are you going to screen your potential buyers? You seem so adamant about the fact that your dogs won't end up in animal shelters, how can you be assured of this? Will you make it a rule to your purchasers that if they cannot keep the dog, then you'll take it back and give them their money back? What are going to be your policies Will you provide health guarantees? If so, what will they entail?

In regards to making money, some breeders are lucky if they break even after having a litter and selling the pups. There are all sorts of tests, procedures etc that ethical breeders undertake both before and after the birth of the pups. There can be unforseen circumstances, such as expensive c-sections, emergency vet visits etc. These can cost a lot of money.

If breeders are in it purely for the money, then I would be concerned that all the necessary care hasn't been taken as it would take a large chunk out of the profits.

[Kelz]

this thread needs to be locked

[lucysyoyopoos]

i willo get my dogs tested.. so sorry for your ordeal. thank you for sharing it

Originally Posted by PCMom

Pepper had an illness called Cerebellar Abiotrophy. It is a neurological illness that attacks the entire nervous system. At the end he couldn't stand, walk, eat, drink, play or pee without me to hold him up. On the day I put him to sleep the vet told me they believe now that this illness is caused by inbreeding. There is no cure for it and it was hell watching him struggle every single day for hours at a time just to get across the room. He also vomited everyday and coughed badly everytime he drank water. He was a very happy little boy who kept going even while he struggled. When it first started the spells would last only a few minutes...we saw it the first night we brought him home...at the end he was like that about 85% of the time. We were told that both parents carried the gene and most likely one of them had an active case of it. As I said, it was caused by bad breeding. There is a chance that if both parents didn't have it Pepper would not have had an active case of it BUT (this is very important) they STILL would have passed on the gene to each and everyone of their offspring. So if someone bred the offspring to another pup that had the gene it would happen again. That is why I said talk to other breeders! They can tell you what to test for and how to keep your dogs safe. I would never be a breeder because for me the risk is just too great of cause another pup to suffer the way my Pepper did.

[Lillium]

Originally Posted by lucysyoyopoos

i do screen buyers, and will take them back if they are not wanted.
im sure all breeders have these issues, yes i will be testing all my dogs.
they appear healthy, but i do want to be responsible. it is a big responsibilty
guarantees yes..

Thanks for not answering all my questions.

And yes, this thread certainly does need to be locked.

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by NanaDtreasures

I'm from Ohio
The reason that Ohio has a lot of puppy mills is because the AMISH
do this to make a living.
Tho I have seen wonderful Amish barns clean as can be.
I do NOT approve of kenneling dogs.
Dogs need to be loved and part of the family.
But in the Wooster /Millersburg/Berlin/Mount Hope area the largest settlement of Amish in the United States live. Google it and you'll see
Ohio is not a "puppy mill state" Amish Country is a puppy mill AREA
tho I think this OP is just a troll or I sure hope so!!!

You are right. Like PA there are Amish areas which are filled with puppymills and unfortunately the state itself is labled a puppymill state. In PA it is illegal to hold dog auctions and the Amish travel across to Ohio monthly to auction dogs at the Columbus Flea Market which is owned by an Amish man. It always makes me scratch my head - Amish are supposed to be God Fearing Religious People yet they treat animals as they do. Clean barns I'm surprised about - most live in HORRIBLE CONDITIONS.

Elaine

[NanaDtreasures]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

You are right. Like PA there are Amish areas which are filled with puppymills and unfortunately the state itself is labled a puppymill state. In PA it is illegal to hold dog auctions and the Amish travel across to Ohio monthly to auction dogs at the Columbus Flea Market which is owned by an Amish man. It always makes me scratch my head - Amish are supposed to be God Fearing Religious People yet they treat animals as they do. Clean barns I'm surprised about - most live in HORRIBLE CONDITIONS.

Elaine

I've seen **SOME** clean barns....Some..lol
I agree the worst ones you dont see.
Even with the cleanest barns.
Yorkies and other small breeds do not belong outside.
And NO Amish have animals in the house.
My husbands and my good friend is an inspector
And he sees from the best to the ones he helps shut down.
I just wanted everyone to know not all from Ohio are amish...or like this OP...

[lucysyoyopoos]

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Originally Posted by livingdustmops

While I agree some Biewers might be mixed from unethical breeders (I saw one in California at a show) the majority of Biewer breeders do not agree with this test. The Biewers did not start in the continental US and they have a relatively small gene pool at this time.

Thank you for contacting Mars Veterinary.

We have received your inquiry about using Wisdom Panel MX for your dog.

The Wisdom Panel MX test is specifically designed to look for the combination of ancestral breeds in mixed breed dogs. Where pure breed dogs are concerned, most often the report will simply indicate the pure strain of the breed in question. However, although our sample base covers over 130 breeds and comprises more than 13,000 samples in total, there are several cases in which pure breed dogs can slip through our net. For instance, if the breed is not or was not bred within the continental US, then we may not pick up the breed signature. In addition, if there has been a very isolated breeding line for the pure breed, then we may not have enough coverage of that breed's gene pool to pick the correct answer.

For these reasons, we do not advertise the Wisdom Panel as a test for confirming the purity of a purebred dog. This is due to the fact that the Wisdom Panel MX is designed to find multiple breeds in an analysis, under the assumption that the dog it is testing has more than one breed in its mix.

I hope this answers your inquiry. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Regards,
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Customer Care Department
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[lucysyoyopoos]

i think you must be jumping to conclusions about ALL the amish people.
dont judge all the people because of a few.. there should be laws
and enforcement..

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

You are right. Like PA there are Amish areas which are filled with puppymills and unfortunately the state itself is labled a puppymill state. In PA it is illegal to hold dog auctions and the Amish travel across to Ohio monthly to auction dogs at the Columbus Flea Market which is owned by an Amish man. It always makes me scratch my head - Amish are supposed to be God Fearing Religious People yet they treat animals as they do. Clean barns I'm surprised about - most live in HORRIBLE CONDITIONS.

Elaine