Medical Procedures Question.... Natalie is sick again... :(

[jp4m2]

Was there no health contract on Natalie?...

Even if there wasn't, from what I understand there is an "Implied Warranty" on all pet sales by pet shops, breeders, and individuals who routinely sell litters...

You really need to have a chat with an attorney to get some of these vet bills paid by the seller....you can just have a consultation with the attorney & then take her to small claims yourself to avoid the costly attorney fees....

[Mom2BabyNatalie]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

I'm so glad Natalie's doing better today!

About the puppies - where did they come from? I thought you only had your two yorkies, a shih tzu, and a maltese/yorkie mix. Are there more dogs in your house that belong to your roommate? And why is she breeding mixed breed dogs?

We have 2 Yorkies, a Shih Tzu, a Morkie, a Havanese, a Border Collie mix and a Pitbull..... the Havanese is the mom to the pups - the daddy maltese belongs to our oldest daughter.

As for why? Her choice....

[BelwoBelwo]

I'm glad someone spoke up regardin her credibility. It just irkes the hell out of me someone without a *real* job can afford to have so many furbabies when they already have a number of skin babies to take care of. Pay over 1400 for another furbaby is irresponsible. Loving your babies means taking care of them emotionally, physically, and FINANCIALLY. Even if Natalie was a healthy baby, you shouldn't have adopted Gracie. Extremely financially irresponsible. I have two yorkies and I love them to death but it is a lot of work. It seems like you have your hands full.

You're probably thinking I don't have the right to condemn you for adding another yorkie to the family, and you're probably right, however do you not feel any shame for asking for donation after spending a chunk of money on another pet?

I just started posting on here recently but have been reading thread after thread for years. There are a number of people here that have the kindest heart and I hate to see people like you take advantage of them.

If you really love Natalie maybe you should give Gracie back. You can use that money for Natalie's surgery and Gracie can find a home where she would not have to fight for attention. Gracie is one of the cutest yorkies I've ever seen, I know without a doubt she won't have a problem finding another forever home in no time.

This post might be harsh but I am lookin out for the best interest of the yorkies and the members here. I've always been weary of people who come across too eager or too friendly. Seems fake.

[LuvMyPrinceKobi]

Originally Posted by Mom2BabyNatalie

Now, so as not to miss addressing any of your nasty little comments, I'll try and reply one by one................ (this is so ridiculous!)

We're the ones with "nasty little comments"??? WOW...

[Shadow]

I think it is ok to worry about Getting burned as many as of us here have been. Please don't try to shame us for what we have seen here.
Also,if you go look at your for sale threads there was eccesive bumps and we are only allowed one and two for sale post from Sunda to Sunday. ask admin he will tell you exactly why it was closed.

[Tinker'sMommy]

Originally Posted by BelwoBelwo

I'm glad someone spoke up regardin her credibility. It just irkes the hell out of me someone without a *real* job can afford to have so many furbabies when they already have a number of skin babies to take care of. Pay over 1400 for another furbaby is irresponsible. Loving your babies means taking care of them emotionally, physically, and FINANCIALLY. Even if Natalie was a healthy baby, you shouldn't have adopted Gracie. Extremely financially irresponsible. I have two yorkies and I love them to death but it is a lot of work. It seems like you have your hands full.

You're probably thinking I don't have the right to condemn you for adding another yorkie to the family, and you're probably right, however do you not feel any shame for asking for donation after spending a chunk of money on another pet?

I just started posting on here recently but have been reading thread after thread for years. There are a number of people here that have the kindest heart and I hate to see people like you take advantage of them.

If you really love Natalie maybe you should give Gracie back. You can use that money for Natalie's surgery and Gracie can find a home where she would not have to fight for attention. Gracie is one of the cutest yorkies I've ever seen, I know without a doubt she won't have a problem finding another forever home in no time.

This post might be harsh but I am lookin out for the best interest of the yorkies and the members here. I've always been weary of people who come across too eager or too friendly. Seems fake.

[jp4m2]

This is so sad the way this thread has gone...it started out with everyone so concerned for a poor very sick pup and it has escalated into such ugliness....

I was so hoping to see an update on Natalie next week because I am concerned for her and I am so hoping you get some encouraging news.....

I'm so sorry this has happened to you.....Good luck with little Natalie...I sincerely mean that....

[Shadow]

I don't think anyone is being ugly but the orginal poster.

Originally Posted by jp4m2

This is so sad the way this thread has gone...it started out with everyone so concerned for a poor very sick pup and it has escalated into such ugliness....

I was so hoping to see an update on Natalie next week because I am concerned for her and I am so hoping you get some encouraging news.....

I'm so sorry this has happened to you.....Good luck with little Natalie...I sincerely mean that....

[Tinker'sMommy]

I hope everyone here realizes that being cautious doesn't mean not caring for Natalie.............I go to church every Sunday and Natalie will be in my prayers as she has been since the first day but everything else just doesn't add up...........Praying is FREE

[Mom2BabyNatalie]

Originally Posted by Shadow

Ok,how is it that someone who needs donations,who lives on disablity payments able to go out and buy another yorkie with a asking price of 1600.00 plus shipping fees. Go shopping,have upteen new dog clothes to sell,vet bills. Your business to bring another dog in when Natalie was already sick. Maybe this is getting to personal,but these are some of the things that I consider when asking myself do I need to help here.
I can't even afford to have those things and my husband makes really decent money,and our kids are all grown and on their own. Maybe the cost of living is different in OK.

One, Gracie was purchased with money that I pulled from every resource I could around here.... why? Because I fell in love with her.... irresponsible? Maybe.... but I'd never have brought her home if I had known that Natalie had serious health issues..... yes, Natalie's had a rough time, but the doctors all just said "sicky bugs".... (well that's our term, not theirs, lol) and that it would pass..... she was fast improving, she wasn't contagious and I felt that she needed a canine companion for physical, mental and emotional stimulation.

Natalie had extensive testing when I first brought her home (all except for the bile acid test because she's too tiny to withhold food) and she checked out perfectly healthy other than having "a cold" and "thin ears" <eyeroll> - - - so no, I didn't plan for extreme medical treatment in the near future.

It's not like we've ALWAYS been on disability...... I am a stay at home mom and pretty much always have been.... is there some controversy there? Maybe... do I care? Nope.... raising my kids has been my life..... end of story.

My room mate is a Registered Nurse who makes well over 50k a year... (that's pretty good for Oklahoma) - - so it's not like we didn't have savings, 401k, etc. on the books....

We were in a vehicle accident in March of this year.... totaled my vehicle and left us both unable to function normally in day to day activities, let alone allow her to go back to work...... she used up vacation time, FMLA, etc. until it was exhausted and then income stopped until October when she starting receiving long term disability payments through her employer..... eventually we'll settle the case and should have a decent settlement.... but that, as most of you know, could take years....

As for selling doggie items? So what? We buy, we sell - big deal.... many of the items in the current HUGE sale thread have been collected by friends in order to help with Natalie's bills from BEFORE she was diagnosed - lots of things were shared with us to post.... no secret there... I stated it right in the initial post..... as being a "compiliation of items from many folks".... <<shrug>>

[Mom2BabyNatalie]

Originally Posted by chachi

I just wanted to say one more thing a family member asked why dont you return the dog you just got to help pay medical expenses. I know If it were me Id be returning that dog before I went to a forum and asked for money

Again, I didn't "run to a forum and ask"... and two.... you haven't been loved by precious Gracie.... so you don't know WHAT you'd do.... and it's awfully easy for us to "predict" what we would or would not do when we're not the ones in that particular situation...... doesn't always end up that way when it becomes our turn.

[Mom2BabyNatalie]

Originally Posted by WidsMom

Natalie is going to get the best of care regardless, right?

I just want to contrast it with pups that are in a shelter situations where the only way they would get medical treatment is through donations. Or where there is a "welfare mom living on pork n' beans and rice", whose furbaby wouldn't get care unless some financial miracle took place.

Those things are not the case, correct?

Please bear with me, what I'm doing is sorting in my own mind how far I can go to help Natalie. If Natalie is going to get the best of care, then in reality, my decision to help is to help you. Because Nat is going to be totally cared for regardless. She won't suffer for someone not donating, right?

I do like to help pets in need, but I have to sort through and prioritize, that's all.

You have my utmost respect for all your diligent caregiving for this tiny furchild. You're a great Mommy!

Natalie will get the best care that I can financially provide for her.... if it means staying local with a general vet rather than a specialist - so be it... If I am able, she'll go to the specialist.... either way, I will give her all that I have in order to help make her well....

[Mom2BabyNatalie]

Originally Posted by traskew

I'm also VERY happy to hear that Nat is doing so much better and hope that continues to be the case. We all wish you pup a excellent recovery and many years of happiness.

I will also add that I am sure there are many of us who were very interested in adding Gracie to our families as well. Financially many people couldn't. It seems like you would have plenty of money to take care of Natalie's expenses without donations if you hadn't just spent well over $1,400 on adding a new dog to a multi-dog household. You already knew Natalie was ill before doing that. I think that makes it hard for people to donate when they know you just spent a large amount of money on something that is not a necessity and then ask for help with vet bills.

I too am very generous as I think most members here are. I think especially this time of year people are willing to give to help others in need. In fact I like to give time as well as money and volunteer to help animals in need.

I will continue to pray for Natalie and hope that she continues to get better. It is so obvious how much you adore her and want the best for her.

T

All this "you never should have bought that dog" stuff....... well, I can only say that what I ended up paying for Gracie wouldn't cover a 1/4 of the bills we are looking at for Natalie's care..... so let's drop that topic, shall we?

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Mom2BabyNatalie

Again, I didn't "run to a forum and ask"... and two.... you haven't been loved by precious Gracie.... so you don't know WHAT you'd do.... and it's awfully easy for us to "predict" what we would or would not do when we're not the ones in that particular situation...... doesn't always end up that way when it becomes our turn.

No I know I would sell the dog. would do the same thing if it were my skin kid that needed the money for medical care

[Mom2BabyNatalie]

Originally Posted by WidsMom

First of all, I'm very, very happy to hear of Natalie's improvements. Yayyy for little Nat!!

Whenever one is in a dire situation, and posts not only medical details, but also costs involved, it usually means that person could use help financially. What I ask of you is, please, please be honest with us. We truly want to help, but many of us may be chosing to help Natalie over paying a bill, or perhaps helping a pet stay alive in a 'kill' shelter.

Do you truly need financial help with this? I understand that you are selling mixed breed pups..is that a form of income for you both, in that home? Is it just more that you're waiting for this sale, and you'll be okay? If I asked you for proof of Nat's expenses, could you provide that? Or perhaps sending our donations directly to the institute where the bill is owed is also an option?

NONE of this is meant to offend. Please don't take it that way. I appreciate the more experienced posters views, as I am a newbie myself.

Thank you,

Thank you.... she continues to do well this afternoon....
The finances are not available for specialists and the immediate care that Natalie needs....... Yes perhaps - in a couple of months or so, we could better accommodate her - - but sick babies just don't work that way....

Would I provide proof of expenses, sure? I don't know what they'll be yet, but Tuesday should tell us more..... paid directly to the provider? Sure, I don't know why they would be concerned with where it's coming from, as long as they're getting it.... I've been clear in where and with what Doctor Natalie has her appointment.