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Old 11-21-2010, 10:07 PM   #106
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Hehe! Too funny... my DH had to deal with my 3rd female sneaking up on him. I had never seen that before, and was amazed that she wasn't as afraid of him while he was sleeping. Too funny watching her sneak along and gaze into his sleeping face, it was all I could do to stop myself from bursting into laughter... and he had never laid a hand on her. She came to us wary of males. She's alot better now, but still bites occassionally if people move to fast around her, and we've had her now a year and a half. I think once she learned to trust him she stopped with sticking her tongue in his mouth...

Your voice alone when you scold or tell her 'no' may be enough to overwhelm her. Work on that high pitched squeaky like a mouse voice.... they relate better...

When your pup goes potty outside on the leash after you tell her 'Go Potty', super praise her and treat her. I wouldn't end the walk right then, though, due to her habit of going back into the house and going again. I'd try giving her a little more time. It can be different for each dog, you'll just have to keep trying different ideas to find what works best for her and your schedule. You may have to make adjustments as her feeding schedule gets adjusted too.

As for schedules...when potty training, a dog that is allowed to eat all day long, will potty all day long. Once the food issue gets under control and on schedule, it should be easy to get her on a pottying schedule. The biggest reward here is for your fiancee, no more kennel to clean out, happy owners and a pup that understands and tries hard to do right. It may be okay to let the DF (Dear Fiancee) continue to feed , but on a schedule... and you take charge of the treats! Mine also love Gerber Puffs for toddlers, comes in many different flavors and won't make her too fat. (Nutritional value= air)

There is a system for using a kennel to potty train, I'll post it when I find it. I think it's best used for puppies, and from what you have posted, she may be beyond that stage bc she will potty outside on leash. So it may be easier to skip the crate method and just work on the food and timing.

I thought you might be endangering body parts with the bait and switch method... something to work on though! Lol! Baby steps....

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Hehe! Too funny... my DH had to deal with my 3rd female sneaking up on him. I had never seen that before, and was amazed that she wasn't as afraid of him while he was sleeping. Too funny watching her sneak along and gaze into his sleeping face, it was all I could do to stop myself from bursting into laughter... and he had never laid a hand on her. She came to us wary of males. She's alot better now, but still bites occassionally if people move to fast around her, and we've had her now a year and a half. I think once she learned to trust him she stopped with sticking her tongue in his mouth...

Your voice alone when you scold or tell her 'no' may be enough to overwhelm her. Work on that high pitched squeaky like a mouse voice.... they relate better...

When your pup goes potty outside on the leash after you tell her 'Go Potty', super praise her and treat her. I wouldn't end the walk right then, though, due to her habit of going back into the house and going again. I'd try giving her a little more time. It can be different for each dog, you'll just have to keep trying different ideas to find what works best for her and your schedule. You may have to make adjustments as her feeding schedule gets adjusted too.

As for schedules...when potty training, a dog that is allowed to eat all day long, will potty all day long. Once the food issue gets under control and on schedule, it should be easy to get her on a pottying schedule. The biggest reward here is for your fiancee, no more kennel to clean out, happy owners and a pup that understands and tries hard to do right. It may be okay to let the DF (Dear Fiancee) continue to feed , but on a schedule... and you take charge of the treats! Mine also love Gerber Puffs for toddlers, comes in many different flavors and won't make her too fat. (Nutritional value= air)

There is a system for using a kennel to potty train, I'll post it when I find it. I think it's best used for puppies, and from what you have posted, she may be beyond that stage bc she will potty outside on leash. So it may be easier to skip the crate method and just work on the food and timing.

I thought you might be endangering body parts with the bait and switch method... something to work on though! Lol! Baby steps....

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Oh, so I'm not the only lucky one to wake up to being french kissed by a dog 1/17th my size while sleeping?? That's frightening good to know, I just thought I was lucky!

I believe my fiance has gotten this pup in the habit of going out and once peeing or pooping just running back inside rather than letting her run about and doing both deeds. I don't turn and go back inside, as long as she's sniffing the ground, I keep her out there.

All night I have been taking her out, 5 times tonight now though she hasn't going number 2. We've been working on sitting before I open the door - this life isn't free stuff - she's not getting it right away, but she will. One thing she does is jumps at the door wanting in and she'll worm her way into the crack if she can. I'm afraid if for some reason if there is a gust of wind or I don't have a good hold on the door, it could slam back onto her - and I lost my sister's cat when I was 11 or something when it's neck was broken doing this very thing - well, it wanted out and I didn't catch the door in time to keep it from getting pinched. It was TRAUMATIZING - and I felt so bad for a long, long time.

I don't want my fiance cleaning kennels anymore...it means I don't have to hear about it and she doesn't have to do it. Believe me, I'd really like her not to have to do that anymore.

I do want to take over the feeding. I'm positive she isn't keeping a good schedule and I think she's over eating. She isn't gaining weight, but she doesn't need to eat almost a cup of food a day. She's 9 pounds - I think she's used to eating a lot which is why she's able to pack it in there.

Not sure what you meant on the bait and switch and risking body parts...I may be missing the blatant and obvious here.

I'm intrigued to hear about the kennel method instead of the crate - or is this one and the same?

I know I'm a different species, but regularity in species to have a digestive and eating cycle. I know I do and I truly think when the dog is exposed to one for a given amount of time, it will be hard for her to mess intentionally (if there is such a thing) and she will understand the meaning of outside bathroom, inside be good.

I know it will take time, I think I've shown that this is what I'm prepared to do - regardless of side tracking or the flogging for past actions. Time will tell, but every journey starts with a step in the right direction. Day 1 has begun.

Thank you all for the time invested. I'll keep checking in to see if new ideas are posted and let you know how it goes.
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I'm guessing you have a pretty deep voice given that you can't do a yelp or anything, so I recommend talking to her in a quiet tone, as the deepness of your voice may make her think you are "growling" at her. She has probably been tramatized by men in the past, and other posters have given you great ideas to help you gain her trust. Taking her for long walks, either with your fiancee or just with the pup will help her gain trust in you, plus help get get some of that excess energy out thus lowering her drive to destroy things in your house.
For the crate, I don't like them at all, for training purposes my Rizzo was put in there in the evening for the first few months that I had him to help him learn to not go at night. Once he was neutered and I knew he could go through the night without pottying he was invited in my bed and over the last couple of weeks I've had no incidents. Do you clean the crate with an enzyme cleaner, or a vinegar/water mixture to deep clean the smell of urine/poo left behind? If not she may be smelling the reminants of pee and thinking it's an okay place to go potty at if she needs to go. In place of the crate try an exercise pen, or you can always get a baby pack and play whichever is cheaper. Just make sure she doesn't know how to get out of them (she may be a climber, as many of these yorkies are) When you set up the ex-pen, if you don't have a hard-surface room to place it in, line the floor with potty pads (you can get washables so you dont have to keep buying more packages of the disposables as it'll probably take her a while to learn to use them) Leave one area without the potty pads, this is where you will put a cozy bed and her water-dish/water bottle. As she starts using the potty pads more regular start to remove the pads until you only have one remaining. Once she proves to be reliable to go on that potty pad start to increase her roaming room, if you see her go to the potty pad to go, praise her like there is no tomorrow so she know's that is the place to go if she has the need and you look busy. When you praise her for pottying in the correct spot, don't pick her up, you are taking her away from what she did right and then she'll just think your in a lovey mood, lol. You want her to know for sure you are praising for peeing outside/on the potty pad. Start to move the potty pad closer and closer to the door you use to let her outside with, this way you'll see her moving towards the door when she needs to go. Pretty soon after you can remove the potty pad all-together when you are at home as she will go towards the door when she needs to go, if she proves to be a true yorkie if there is no piddle pad she should let you know prompty by running to you, or barking, or ringing the "tell-bell" to go out.
I don't really have any input for the aggressivness in her, other than she's probably had some pretty bad experiences with men in the past, and it'll take a while to earn her trust especially when mistakes have been made by you in the past. I would recommend a trainer in your case, they know dogs and are used more than you might think for Yorkies, as many people don't really know what they're getting into when they purchase that cute little teddy-bear faced puppy.
Oh, and I recommend renting a steam cleaner and using a vinegar/water solution, you can google it and you'll be able to find the right ammount of each (I'm lucky I don't have carpet floors so cleaning accidents is a breeze for me) and clean all the carpet in your house this weekend to eliminate the leftover pee smells.
I think keeping her on a leash by your side when you're at home is a great idea, she won't have the ability to run off and make messes, and you have the opportunity to witness her acting properly and can treat her for it.
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This might not win any favor, but I grew up in a time when I got in trouble, I got a belt. When I was good, I was rewarded - and before anyone says I was abused, I most certainly wasn't.

If my child bites or misbehaves, they will expect the same upbringing I was exposed to...and I too have 24 years of dog handling and training. I recieved my first dog at 10 years old. I have a good sense in what I'm doing, and have researched the Yorkie breed extensively.

What I'm trying to get out of this post is something I may have missed, but more importantly the ability to point this thread out to my fiance and let her read what others have to say and hope she acts accordingly.
Sorry if your child gets the same treatment someone will turn you in for child abuse because thats what it is. I hope your fiance knows what shes getting into because marriage is a partnership which your relationship isnt. You should be working together not going to your family and talking behind her back. I hope you let her see these posts maybe she will wake up and smell the roses
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Oh, so I'm not the only lucky one to wake up to being french kissed by a dog 1/17th my size while sleeping?? That's frightening good to know, I just thought I was lucky!

I believe my fiance has gotten this pup in the habit of going out and once peeing or pooping just running back inside rather than letting her run about and doing both deeds. I don't turn and go back inside, as long as she's sniffing the ground, I keep her out there.

All night I have been taking her out, 5 times tonight now though she hasn't going number 2. We've been working on sitting before I open the door - this life isn't free stuff - she's not getting it right away, but she will. One thing she does is jumps at the door wanting in and she'll worm her way into the crack if she can. I'm afraid if for some reason if there is a gust of wind or I don't have a good hold on the door, it could slam back onto her - and I lost my sister's cat when I was 11 or something when it's neck was broken doing this very thing - well, it wanted out and I didn't catch the door in time to keep it from getting pinched. It was TRAUMATIZING - and I felt so bad for a long, long time..
I have the same problem with the wind and the door. I stick my foot against the door to stop any premature closing.... sorry about your sister's kitty.

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I don't want my fiance cleaning kennels anymore...it means I don't have to hear about it and she doesn't have to do it. Believe me, I'd really like her not to have to do that anymore.

I do want to take over the feeding. I'm positive she isn't keeping a good schedule and I think she's over eating. She isn't gaining weight, but she doesn't need to eat almost a cup of food a day. She's 9 pounds - I think she's used to eating a lot which is why she's able to pack it in there..
Maybe she'll be more willing to go along with the training when you explain the 'Positive Reinforcement/Reward System to her. Many people choose not to discipline bc they just don't know what to do, and they are afraid of changing 'who' the dog is, or making things worse.

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Not sure what you meant on the bait and switch and risking body parts...I may be missing the blatant and obvious here..
Sorry, I meant with the chew sticks...

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I'm intrigued to hear about the kennel method instead of the crate - or is this one and the same?.
Yes, I use either term. They also make X-pens with lids... just in case she climbs out on you....

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I know I'm a different species, but regularity in species to have a digestive and eating cycle. I know I do and I truly think when the dog is exposed to one for a given amount of time, it will be hard for her to mess intentionally (if there is such a thing) and she will understand the meaning of outside bathroom, inside be good. .
The cycle, yes, and I feel she may be a nervous eliminator, so as all the bits and pieces start to come together, her behavior should improve. I've seen a big turn around in a few Yorkies by just eliminating negative corrections. A good frame of mind to have is: If she makes a potty mistake, it's your fault... you missed her signal or weren't paying close enough attention. This helps because with this thinking, it removes the natural human urge to punish her.

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I know it will take time, I think I've shown that this is what I'm prepared to do - regardless of side tracking or the flogging for past actions. Time will tell, but every journey starts with a step in the right direction. Day 1 has begun..
The training methods you are familiar with are more 'old school', and probably work just fine, for breeds other than Yorkies. I do commend you for recognizing that you are having a problem, and that you are openminded enough to consider what has been said by many here on methods that are known to work for Yorkies. I know the methods sound a bit out of the norm, my reaction to some things was 'no way' when I was learning and experimenting. But when you see changes begin to take effect, you'll probably be shocked at how some of the simplest changes can make such a big difference.

I also want to warn you... Yorkies do revert to bad behavior, especially if there are changes in the general environment or schedule... say going on vacation. Just start over with what you have learned works for her, and usually within a week you can have her back on track again. I don't know why this happens... just a Yorkie thing I guess. It does not mean that training has failed or that she is untrainable... they just 'slip' sometimes.
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Okay so I havnt read the whole thread (I read about 6 pages) so Im sorry if anything I say has already been mentioned.

You say you had dogs when you were younger, were these big dogs?
My boyfriend and his family breed bulldogs, and the dogs have been hit in the past.
I in no way agree with this and I let them know how I feel about it all the time, but they are not my dogs so all I can do is tell them how I feel.
Even though no dog in my opinion should EVER be hit, a bulldog is less likley to come to harm then a yorkie is.
I know if my boyfriend EVER raised a hand to my yorkie it would be HIM getting the smack and not her.
But what im trying to say here is that some people have different opinions on how to teach a dog right from wrong. I think the OP knows he was in the wrong, so now all that is left to do is educate him on the matter and move on from it.

I read that the dog came from a pet store at 8 weeks old.
The dog more then likley came from a puppy mill and at 8 weeks old was far too young to leave its mother.
If the dog had stayed with its mother until it was 12 weeks old then it would have learned bite inhibition.
I have experience because I brought my pup home at 6 weeks old and biting has been a nightmare.
You need a sharp "NO!" then give them something they CAN bite on such as a chew toy, then praise when they bite the correct thing.
But at 6 years old this dog will be harder to train then a pup because it has been allowed to believe that this is the correct way to behave for so long.
The whole situation is your girlfriends fault because she simply hasnt bothered to train the dog.
For 6 years this dog has been allowed to bite and potty in the house, then suddenley this is not okay anymore? the dog is totally confused.

You need to get the dog into a routine.
How big is the crate you are using? it should only be big enough for the dog to lie down in and turn around, if the dog can potty at one end and sit at the other then they will.
You need to take the dog outside for potty before you put him in the crate, stay out there as long as it takes until he potties. Then when he does potty outside give tons of praise and a treat.
The second the dog comes out of the crate you need to take him out again to potty using the same rules (potty, praise, treat).
If the dog makes no attempt to tell you when he needs to go outside you need to take him outside every hour while you are home.
You also need to make sure you clean your floors properly with some sort of odour remover, because dogs have a better sense of smell then humans they will still be able to smell where they have pottied in the house and will probably return to that area.

The last thing I will say is that you really need to talk to your fiance about this and show her this thread.
You cannot train this dog alone, she needs to put in some effort.
If she dosnt put in the effort and follow the same rules as you then this dog will never get any better.
The dog WILL be unhappy because it is constantly being told off, if everyone makes an effort everyone will end up feeling happier.
If she refuses to make the effort then I really think you should give the dog to someone who will make the effort.
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I didn't read the entire thread either, after about 2 pages of bickering I skipped ahead :P

Here are some of my thoughts...

You gf and you need to be on the same page when it comes to training and if she is resistant to this then I would suggest printing out relevant posts in this thread and perhaps some internet articles to show her.

You live in an apartment correct? Would it be possible to set up a pee pad or some kind of portable dog potty on your deck? If you catch him in the act you can easily put him on the pad, without having to go outside of the building.
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I didn't read the entire thread either, after about 2 pages of bickering I skipped ahead :P

Here are some of my thoughts...

You gf and you need to be on the same page when it comes to training and if she is resistant to this then I would suggest printing out relevant posts in this thread and perhaps some internet articles to show her.

You live in an apartment correct? Would it be possible to set up a pee pad or some kind of portable dog potty on your deck? If you catch him in the act you can easily put him on the pad, without having to go outside of the building.
I agree 100%. We need to get on the same page, but she gets so defensive when I make a suggestion or say we need to try something new. I go as far as to explain the details - who said it, why, what, when, where...etc. She comes up with excuses or defensive remarks like "I've tried that" - but I know my fiance is impatient and I don't know that she tried anything for lengths of time.

Take today for instance, last night I told her about the NILIF method and how I don't open a door, give her food, throw a treat/toy or anything without some sort of request being met. She reluctantly agreed and today, she goes outside just opening the door (all three of them to go outside) and not following this operation.

I got up and walked outside after sitting there a bit frustrated and asked as she was coming in whether or not she was doing the NILIF method (knowing the answer) and she made her sit before coming back in the apartment. I explained, and not forcefully or a jerk, but this isn't something that can be done every once in a while...it has to be EVERY time by BOTH of us.

She also was throwing the toy around when I got home from my test....mind you I only had about 2 hours of sleep and I wanted to take a nap, yet she comes right next to me, sits down and wants to play with the dog. Not very nice because I told her I wanted a nap. Anyway, throwing the toy and the dog was barking and getting seriously wound up. I asked her to start mellowing the dog before throwing the toy to enforce less barking (neighbors should be accommodated, if we had a house in the country, I could care less) and it would help keep her from getting excited and going to the bathroom. I get "I know, I know" and a continuance of the toy throwing - and Bdog can go until YOU get tired.

One thing that is most frustrating on the fiance is this - I hear about how she's tried and she knows, but I don't ever hear any suggestions or propositions for solutions.

I know that was a vent, but this is what I am dealing with too.
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People generally have the same attitude towards raising children as raising dogs, she needs to be on the same page and she needs to care. How do you approach her? And, was she the youngest child growing up? I did a research paper a while back about how certain personality traits are linked with the order in which you were born. Obviously there really is no scientific evidence to back this up, but it really was very interesting reading. You seem to have an only child/oldest child sort of attitude, you want to be in control of situations and want everyone to recognize you as the leader you feel that you are. Your fiance sounds like she was the youngest child (like me) and having someone tell you what to do really only makes things worse. If the youngest wants help they will ask for it, but for the most part we like to just sit back and let things happen. It takes a lot to get us motivated (espically when it comes do doing work), and constantly talking down to us and telling us how to run things really only makes us clam up or blow up out of sheer frustration. The youngest throughout their lives are treated like the 'babies' and when we go out into the world away from our families we want to run things our way, and if we cant have it our way then we shut out the things keeping us from having it our way.
Just my opinion, sit down with your lady and find out how she feels about the situation and ask her if she wants you to help out. You need to ask her about what she wants done, not tell her what needs to be done. This is after all her dog, and her life that she has accepted you into. If she doesn't want your help, if she doesn't want the situation changed then maybe you should walk away from it all together, as your problem solving techniques may be too different and will cause lots of tension througout your lives together. I mean, just imagine you tell your son no he cant have that cookie, he waits until you're out of earshot and then asks mom and she says go ahead and have two. Then what? How do you react to that situation?
The two of you need to be on the same page, but don't try to force her onto the page you're on as she may be a few chapters behind you. Ask her for her input.
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I know I'm putting my two cents in after so much has already been said but I can't help it. Your situation is similar to what I've had with several (boy)friends. I learned to train and show horses at a young age and I'm so lucky that my trainer used positive methods and not the horrible techniques I've seen used in the show barns.

It's also clear that no matter how things started you want to learn and have a good relationship with Bdog and your fiance. It seems you have warmed up to the pup just since your first post. I sure hopw so because there is no more loyal and loving dog than a Yorkie. If they love you they will fight a grizzly for you without blinking.

I was raised with little dogs but I adopted a doberman and tealized he was so strong I'd better make sure what I was doing with dogs so I took some dog training classes. He was a breeze. He got all the basics and was totaly housebroken in a week. We got a Rottie and it was the same.

Then I got my first Yorkie. Oh my. You could look at her and tell she was ne step ahead. I've had Yorkies ever since, all adopted and with problems except that first one and they are special. They aren't eve like the other toy breeds that I was raised around.

My advice to you really is to get a trainer, even if it's only for 3 to 6 lessons. Yorkies are terrier but they were also bred to work, to kill rats and varmints in the mines in Northern England and Wales. They need to be very active and they need a job. That shy little Bdog is always tearing stuff up. She wants something to do. She is like a child who acts up when he's bored.

Besides, the classes are way fun and you will end up being so proud of her.If you get her doing the commands for you it will make your girlfriend so jealous.

My husband is always wanting to show everyone what our guys have learned and it makes you feel good whne people tell you how smart and well behaved your dog is.

Just go to a private trainer. The ones that work at PetSmart, Petco don't seem to be so hot.
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I appreciate your input, but you are basing your opinions on brief posts and I don't believe you are reading 100%.

The dog has human interaction with such toys.

I agree 100% though, a dog that age should not be acting this way - and I credit it to my fiance and her training and such. I would love for her to read your post because her immediate response would be to give you a laundry list of excuses rather than think about why the situation persists.

I have offered 100 different solutions for taking care of this, and I'm being met with resistance from my fiance. I have even used the problem solving in engineering to back up my claims. If it doesn't work or you don't get the proper solution, step back into the problem solving and make adjustments....I get the "I don't have time for that" or "it's fine"

Well, no - actually, it isn't fine.

I'll ask everyone to look past the hitting part. It's done, it happened, lets move on and focus on the real problem at hand...otherwise I'll be tempted to come to your place and hit your dog. (bad joke)

In all seriousness though, I want this problem fixed and I want a dog I can trust 100%. Yes, my fiance comes with a dog - but the dog is broken and needs to be fixed. I need help, that's what I'm here for.
Seems to be a more simple solution... take the dog out more often until she is housebroken. Every hour on the hour if you have to. My boys are 5.5 years old and still have accidents in the house. It's worse when I don't take them out at least every 2 hours at the most. Also having the exercise, short run/walk every 2 hours will help keep her energy levels more stable INSIDE the house while you study so she will not need to be crated. Exercise can cut back on the destructive behavior she is displaying.

As for the aggressive behavior towards you, well I can look past the swatting the dog by you, but the dog can't. She does not trust you, she probably does not like you all that much. You've come in and are trying to enforce and change her behavior. Not that you are wrong, just different. Training classes for the dog and your finance would be VERY beneficial. I don't think you are wrong for wanting to improve the situation for yourself, your fiance and the dog. You do however sound like you dislike this dog very much and maybe the dog senses that, which in turn is not helping your cause, making her nervous around the house which can lead to anxiety, (chewing, tearing things up) and bowel issues.
When I moved in with my 2 yorkies to my boyfriends house, my almost 5 year old boy started peeing whenever anyone went to say hi to him. This lasted a good 4 months even though he knew all the people who came into the house. He did it worst with my boyfriend who adores them and treats them sooo well. But it was a new home for them, different... the world is a BIG scary place when you are only 6lbs! Try to EMPATHIZE with this pup a little bit. Take her out more often, be kind to her a bit more, take her for training, get her some exercise and stimulation aside from her inside the house and her crate. You should see improvement in her in time. My boy finally after 4 months stopped peeing uncontrollably when someone came home. Now he only does it with those who intimidate him, like my brothers (who both live FAR away and rarely ever see them, but who are loud and vibrate with energy and are TALL, they intimidate him a lot).
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I agree 100%. We need to get on the same page, but she gets so defensive when I make a suggestion or say we need to try something new. I go as far as to explain the details - who said it, why, what, when, where...etc. She comes up with excuses or defensive remarks like "I've tried that" - but I know my fiance is impatient and I don't know that she tried anything for lengths of time.
My boyfriend and I have had some spats about dog training so I can relate. My best friend also lives with us and we all are on different ends of the spectum when it comes to training.

Roommate grew up on a far and is very strict with his dog
I'm in the middle
My boyfriend is very relaxed with training

So as you can imagine there is disagreements on training all the time. But compromise is key and since we all live together we have to respect how the other person wants to train their dog.

For example, my roommate doesn't want his dog on the couches. So we all enforce that rule even though our dogs are allowed. In fact, I wasn't too keen on the fact that the doberman was allowed on the couch but I compromised.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that maybe a little compromise is needed from both parties. Clearly the issue is that you and your gf need to be on the same page about training and lay down some ground rules.

Maybe you can agree to something she wants like letting the dog sleep with her - if she agrees to something you want.

Honestly it seems like there are some other issues at hand besides the dog, her continuing to play with the dog while you are trying to nap is just plain disrespectful.
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Yes, you are wrong. (serious answer) This dog is probably so confused at this point! Just take some of the things you have said are very helpful and USE them. Then come back and let people know how it helped or did not help.
It appears that you just really, really want everyone to read that this pup is the problem and is planning how to "get to you". Dogs don't DO that.
This answer was regarding his question on the dog messing in the house/car when you step away for a minute as being vindictive or not. I do have to say, my boys are spoiled rotten, never hit, taken out regularly, etc... but when I leave the room for a few mins they ALSO will mess the house somewhere. If I take them out, come in and shut myself in another room for 5 mins when I come out they will have pooped somewhere in the living room or dining room. It DOES feel almost like they are getting back at me for leaving them. Is this behavior more like they are anxious or nervous that I am IN the house but they can't get to me. Does this anxiety or nervousness make them have to go potty in the house? I'm curious because this is a behavior that I have not been able to break them of myself also. Thanks!
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This answer was regarding his question on the dog messing in the house/car when you step away for a minute as being vindictive or not. I do have to say, my boys are spoiled rotten, never hit, taken out regularly, etc... but when I leave the room for a few mins they ALSO will mess the house somewhere. If I take them out, come in and shut myself in another room for 5 mins when I come out they will have pooped somewhere in the living room or dining room. It DOES feel almost like they are getting back at me for leaving them. Is this behavior more like they are anxious or nervous that I am IN the house but they can't get to me. Does this anxiety or nervousness make them have to go potty in the house? I'm curious because this is a behavior that I have not been able to break them of myself also. Thanks!

I believe that in cases where the pup has not been hit for pottying, the problem is confusion on the part of the pup. I hear people say that they walked and walked and walked their pup and then came in the house and the pup went in the house. What I have learned from reading and talking to different trainers is that the pups don't understand what is expected of them. They say to take them out to do their business in the same place every time...don't keep walking all over as then it becomes an "outing", not a time to do something you want them to do...eliminate. Take them out to the same place consistently and praise the daylights out of them when they potty. Then, take them back in the house. There is a time to potty and a time to play.
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