6+ years old, had it up to here - need help.

[Deuce]

Originally Posted by TaylorWoods

Is it shame? Do you think some crazy bunch of Yorkie lovers might ambush your house and save your dog from the life it leads? What should we call you? "The Boss"????

We're not crazy, just passionate about providing a loving caring and for the most part spoiled atmosphere for these precious little pups because that is what they deserve in life.

[TaylorWoods]

[QUOTE=Luvdogs2;3335964]When I am home, and not on campus with study groups, working on group projects, helping out Sr. Design students or working on campus - I'm home and I have tried the let the dog sit while I study, but it seems like she is always watching and when I get wrapped up into the studies or working on problems, she takes the opportunity to sneak out of the room and go do something destructive. I've even caught her acting like she went to the bathroom outside so she had "ammo" to use later.

I have to visually check to make sure she whittled or pooped outside to see if it's time to go back inside.

The dog is smart, don't get me wrong.

DUDE! seriously how old are you? You have 24 years experience with dogs right????? Yet you think the dog sneaks out to "pretend" to use the bathroom so she has ammo for later??????????? Like she is getting back at you or trying to make you cross!!! Dogs are intelligent but they certainly dont manipulate and plan pathetic things like that! they arent crafty like humans.

and Im doing my degree AND i work full time yet my dogs are well balanced and when i study they sit on my lap or on the spare bed and stare at me for hours...I say it's love and admiration and I feel so lucky to be loved by them the way I am.

[Luvdogs2]

Originally Posted by TaylorWoods

Sounds like you really hate the poor dog - NO, ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT, WE'VE BEEN DOING BETTER THAN EVER.

If you are an average sized man weighing 80kgs that means that you are at least FORTY times the dogs size, not to mention strength. - I THINK YOU REALLY NEED TO TRY THE MATH AGAIN. BDOG WEIGHS 10 POUNDS, I WEIGH 160...THAT'S A RATIO 1/16.

It's called denial.... - I'M TRULY SORRY FOR YOUR ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE HERE, I'M NOT DEFENDING MY ACTIONS AND MY FIANCE ISN'T MAKING EXCUSES FOR ME. I DON'T ENJOY HURTING ANIMALS AND I DON'T HUNT FOR THAT REASON. I AM NOT A VEGETARIAN, BUT I DON'T WANT TO KNOW AN ANIMAL OR SEE IT HURT OR SLAUGHTERED.

The same way you did when you KNOWINGLY started to date your fiance who KNOWINGLY bought the dog. - I DID KNOW SHE HAD THE DOG, I HAVE NOT DISOWNED BDOG OR WRITTEN HER OFF. I CAME HERE TO FIND HELP ON THE TRAINING BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THIS BREED AND MY IGNORANCE IN THE BEGINNING HAS BEEN WORKING ON RE-EDUCATION BY THE GOOD PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD WHILE I FINISH MY SEMESTER AND CAN FIND SOME HELP WITH A TRAINER.

Dogs cant be cooped up, ALONE all day every day and be expected to be well balanced. - IF BDOG WAS NOT PROVEN TO MESS THE FLOOR WHEN SHE IS LET OUT WHILE WE ARE GONE, SHE WOULD NOT BE IN THE CRATE. THE CRATE TIME WHILE WE ARE AT WORK WAS NOT STARTED BY ME...THIS IS THE ROUTINE THAT MY FIANCE STARTED BEFORE I WAS EVEN KNOWN IN THIS WORLD TO HER. AS FAR AS GETTING UP AT 4:30AM, THAT'S ABOUT THE TIME I'M GOING TO BED FOR THE NIGHT...AND I TAKE HER OUT WHEN I DO.

If you and your fiance are never at home and arent willing to make small changes to your lifestyle to include and help the dog then the dog should be placed in a home that will give him what he needs physically, emotionally, educationally and devote their time to him as a responsible dog owner. - IT'S NOT THAT WE AREN'T HOME ALL THE TIME, THAT'S MORE OF MY SITUATION BECAUSE OF MY DUTIES AT SCHOOL AND TO MY SHOP AT HOME ON THE WEEKENDS...MY FIANCE WORKS 40 TO 50 HOURS A WEEK AND DOES HER SCHOOLING ONLINE. I'M SO BUSY THAT I CAN'T SCHEDULE PROFESSIONAL HELP BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHEN I CAN MAKE A CEMENTED APPOINTMENT AND KEEP IT.

(who apparently is "THE fiance - how rude! you speak of her and the dog in the same third party manner. If i read your post i would be really insulted) - ANONYMITY. THAT HAS BEEN EXPLAINED PREVIOUSLY. SHE DOESN'T WANT REAL NAMES USED ON THE FORUM EITHER - SHE'S READ THE POSTS AND THE THREAD AND SHE'S AFRAID TO GET ON HERE BECAUSE OF HOW SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN. I'M NOT TRYING TO SPARK A FIGHT, BUT SHE WAS PRETTY PUT OFF BY SOME.

You worry about the dog biting your kid...I worry about you flying into a rage and hitting your child like you do the dog...because with children you have ZERO years experience...that's 24 less than you have with dogs and you sure arent great there! - YOU DON'T KNOW MUCH MORE ABOUT ME THAN WHAT I HAVE TOLD YOU THROUGH THE FORUMS. I FIND COMMENTS LIKE THIS ABSURD. I THINK YOUR PREVIOUS RELATIONSHIP IS SPARKING SOME BAD FEELINGS AND INFLUENCING YOUR OPINION OF ME.

YES, the dog needs some discipline and some guidance - it is like a child who has never been educated. Would you slap your child in anger when you have never taught him or her how to behave? - MY KIDS WILL NOT BE MISBEHAVED. I KNOW HOW I WAS RAISED AND IF I DO HALF THE JOB MY PARENTS DID WITH ME, I'LL BE ONE HAPPY AND PROUD PARENT.

if i was to live in a crate day in and day out with no exercise and i had to urinate and defecate where i ate i would bite you too. - REALLY? YOU REALLY THINK WE FEED HER IN THE CRATE? NO, SHE EATS NEAR THE TABLE WHERE WE EAT.

do you give him a treat when he does get out his crate and go potty outside? - REALLY? YOU ARE REALLY ASKING THIS QUESTION? OF COURSE SHE GETS TREATS - A LOT OF THEM DAILY.

Here's hoping that you find the dog a good home where someone will devote time to him and help him learn. There will be plenty of people on this site willing to take the dog from you and rehabilitate him im sure. If i didnt live on the other side of the world i would give him a home. - I'M SURE THERE ARE, BUT THE DOG ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE. SHE'S HERE TO STAY AND SHE'S DOING BETTER AND BETTER IN THE SHORT WEEK AND A HALF THAT WE'VE DONE THE 'START OVER'


All JMHO of course - my day however is ruined and I will probably spend days wondering about how this poor little dog is being treated. Shame, I often look at my dogs and think how lucky they are to be in such a loving home, as am I, with a man who loves us, respects us and doesnt slap us around. If I was your fiance i wouldnt let YOU into the house...the dog would sleep in the bed! I feel better getting that off my chest in the dog's defense!!!!! - I'M A BIT TAKEN BACK OVER ALL THIS. I'M CONCERNED MYSELF - YOU REALLY HAVE ME PEGGED AND HAVE IT COMPLETELY WRONG. IF YOU ONLY KNEW AND IF YOU COULD ONLY SEE HOW WRONG YOU ARE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY.

i don't know what to say

[Deuce]

MY KIDS WILL NOT BE MISBEHAVED. I KNOW HOW I WAS RAISED AND IF I DO HALF THE JOB MY PARENTS DID WITH ME, I'LL BE ONE HAPPY AND PROUD PARENT.

Weren't you "given the belt" when you were bad as you stated previously? You know that's considered child abuse these days...so how are you going to ensure that your child/children is/are well behaved?

[Luvdogs2]

Originally Posted by Deuce

MY KIDS WILL NOT BE MISBEHAVED. I KNOW HOW I WAS RAISED AND IF I DO HALF THE JOB MY PARENTS DID WITH ME, I'LL BE ONE HAPPY AND PROUD PARENT.

Weren't you "given the belt" when you were bad as you stated previously? You know that's considered child abuse these days...so how are you going to ensure that your child/children is/are well behaved?

We'll cross that bridge when we get there. Let's jump one hurdle at a time, Bdog first and she's doing much better as I posted a little while ago.

[TaylorWoods]

OK, I will apologise. I do have some bad feelings i dont deny that. I have a right to my opinion but for this I will shut my mouth and give you the benefit of the doubt because the more I read the more I can see you are trying to rectify the problem. So I hope you accept my sincere apology, you would swear it is monday! I dont know you so im wrong and YES, you are right to come here and seek advice and I got fiesty about it before reading every post which was wrong of me to jump to conclusions and comment - My mom calls it foot and mouth disease

BUT I dont like even the slightest hint of an animal being hit though and Im not going to condone that and I really hope you never do it to her again. And my math has been off since school, so 16 or 20 makes no difference to me you can still do serious damage.

Have a moderator delete my posts if you want to - this is why i came off these forums because I get too heated!!!!!

OK, so let me say this: Your dog is (A) set in her ways, probably from being spoiled and allowed to behave her own way over the years by your partner and (B) dominates you, your house and everything else around her. fear has a lot to do with this, so I only ask you never hit her. Then i will not say a word and remove the thread from my list and BDog and you can sort yourselves out.

I wish you all the best in whatever final decision you end up making and I do sincerely commend you for your efforts and apologise once last time.

[Luvdogs2]

Originally Posted by TaylorWoods

OK, I will apologise. I do have some bad feelings i dont deny that. I have a right to my opinion but for this I will shut my mouth and give you the benefit of the doubt because the more I read the more I can see you are trying to rectify the problem. So I hope you accept my sincere apology, you would swear it is monday! I dont know you so im wrong and YES, you are right to come here and seek advice and I got fiesty about it before reading every post which was wrong of me to jump to conclusions and comment - My mom calls it foot and mouth disease

BUT I dont like even the slightest hint of an animal being hit though and Im not going to condone that and I really hope you never do it to her again. And my math has been off since school, so 16 or 20 makes no difference to me you can still do serious damage.

Have a moderator delete my posts if you want to - this is why i came off these forums because I get too heated!!!!!

OK, so let me say this: Your dog is (A) set in her ways, probably from being spoiled and allowed to behave her own way over the years by your partner and (B) dominates you, your house and everything else around her. fear has a lot to do with this, so I only ask you never hit her. Then i will not say a word and remove the thread from my list and BDog and you can sort yourselves out.

I wish you all the best in whatever final decision you end up making and I do sincerely commend you for your efforts and apologise once last time.

I'm not discouraging anyone from their right to an opinion. You can even voice it all you want, but if you have wrong assumptions about me, I would think those reading would encourage me to correct those assumptions if they are wrong. To not do this would be a great disservice to those who patron the forums and carry those wrong assumptions or ideas of who I am and how I'm treating this dog.

I might not wish to share names and professions, but those who know me personally (not many here), they understand my reluctance.

I'm not here to bicker or argue, and it's been tough not just throwing my hands in the air and storming out...but who would that be hurting the most?? Bdog...that's who.

There are many reasons why we are all here on these forums. Training, stories, progress, sympathy for the losses and encouragements - but the common theme is we care about these little fuzz butts. Yours, mine (my fiances, but I've adopted her so I'm going to refer to her in a possessive context) and those out there that don't have human representation here.

I see a repeated pattern here that new readers make it into the thread for the first three pages and see the thread unraveling and don't make it to where the dialogue starts to straighten out and be productive. I would start a new thread, but I look at it this way...it weeds out the people that don't have the conviction to read everything and form their opinion based on everything said. Second is I'd have to answer questions and I'd do so honestly and if the hitting came up, I think it would all start over again.

I won't be doing any smacking or spanking on Bdog....I can't say the same for momma (the good kind of course....hehehe). I made a promise to another patron on YT, I made the same promise to Bdog and her momma...and I make the same promise to you. However, she did just about get me about 5 minutes ago. I went to say goodbye to my fiance as she was sleeping - I just pulled an all nighter finalizing my presentation due in half hour. I went to take Bdog out and apparently she was comfortable and when I went to pick her up, she nipped. I put my hat over her head to block her jaws and picked her up and had a low voice talk into her eyes. Then set her down and put the leash on her and took her outside - speak at the door, sit at the other doors...peed and pooped outside, got the praises and pets with a treat followed when we sat at all the doors and got back inside.

We are working on it, things are going well.

[kjc]

I'm so glad to hear that Bdog is responding to your training. This tells me that she is not in as bad a place (mentally) as I thought she could be. I think DF just got to a point with Bdog where it all started to go bad, got no satisfaction with a trainer, and took preventative measures to limit the destruction Bdog was causing. I do think this is a frequent occurrence with owners and Yorkies, many that we never hear about, because it is not a healthy situation.

I think too a major issue with this thread is that people are not reading the whole thing, and do not realize that the hitting and biting happened over 6 months ago, and that you have been presented with alternative methods of handling her, and that you agree that your previous reactions to her behaviors were inappropriate and will not be repeated. I trust you on this, especially now that you have evidence that the new methods you have tried with her are producing positive results.

It's the same way when people view a video, the difference in opinions of what is actually going on is surprisingly different from person to person, just as people reading the written word comprehend differently.

I do think there is hope for Bdog in her current situation. You both are no different than any first time Yorkie owners. You do not know the level of bonding that can occur between a Yorkie and it's humans. I don't expect you to 'know' it or believe it at this point in time, but I believe you will experience it as you continue to learn about Bdog and work with her.

I need to say that my intentions are to get Bdog to a place in her current home where she can be allowed free run of the entire home, whether or not her owners are at home or at work, where Bdog will accept you enough to allow you in bed with her and DF, and that any aggression, destruction, and inappropriate pottying will become issues of the past. I don't know if this can be accomplished through interaction with the members of this forum, or if a trainer will be a necessary part of the equation. I keep thinking it may happen quicker with a trainer, but I have concerns too that the wrong trainer could cause more problems.

I do again commend you for continuing to come back to this thread, and my apologies to you and DF, I do not agree with how many have chosen to treat you, although I do understand why it happens. My advice would be to ask a Moderator to close this thread, and start another to get more positive responses, and not have to deal with the negative, as I feel you've heard enough of that (I know I have).

[kjc]

Was Bdog sleeping, or just laying comfortable on the bed? Actually it doesn't matter. My older male does the nippy thing too... unless I take a minute and talk to him, even then sometimes he'll still try to get me. I just act shocked... like 'OMG, I can't believe you would bite your Mommie!' Then he starts with the 'I'm sorry' licks which are neverending... From what I've read, many Yorkies react with a nip or attempt to bite, then there are some that don't. At this point, I would ignore it, it's either a habit, or a Yorkie thing... I wouldn't take it personnally either. Just know that she does this, and always approach her caution. Does she ever do this with DF? Again, it may dissappear as your bonding increases...

[Wylie's Mom]

19 pages, PHEW!

I think Kathy has a good thought in that this thread is likely now too cumbersome, and if allowed to stay open it will likely continue to veer off course.

There is some great advice and opinion in this thread, and I hope it's proved useful.

To continue the conversation regarding training, I'd recommend the OP start a new thread (can always link back to this thread for back-story or whatever) that focuses solely on training questions. Thanks !