6+ years old, had it up to here - need help.

[nana911]

Originally Posted by roseylovestosho

I am not a Yorkie owner as of yet, (I am hoping to meet a potential breeder in the middle of December, she wants to meet me in person before she considers giving me one of her babies...and rightfully so!) but I've found a lot of people's comments on here extremely helpful in thinking about how to take care/train a yorkie. I do agree with the above comment that it seems as if everyone here is passionate about the breed, and from reading close to almost the ENTIRE thread, it does appear to me that the OP does not share this same compassion/care as all of the other owners here. The OP was full of frustration, and even anger, and a lot of comments were made about the fact that if Bdog continues the way she/he? is behaving then she/he? must go. Your OP went from blaming Bdog's behavior on the dog (even insinuating that Bdog is maliciously holding pee/poop to anger you) to now saying that you are only here asking for help and that you really want to train him etc, while at the same time mentioning all of these "obstacles" and "time constraints" you may have. While at the same time, trying to argue with members here for expressing their opinion and telling them to leave "your" thread. Ladyjane, I completely agree with you and think that the OP is not sincere, in fact it seems as if he is constantly changing his demeanor/respones depending on who is replying. Also, I found it interesting that the OP was quicker to reply (and at length) to comments that were directed at the OP's behavior (i.e. hitting the dog, lack of time, care attention, dismissing the fact the OP made clear mention of getting rid of the dog), but when members replied at LENGTH on steps the OP can take to help train and rectify the situation, not only would the OP forget to reply, but if he did, then it would be a short declaration of "great advice" or something similarly shallow.

While I am not answering any questions regarding how to help train Bdog, I do offer from a pretty objective standpoint (after sitting back and reading through this entire thread), that you find a rescue to give Bdog a chance of a happy home. If you cannot even deal with criticism on a forum about your behavior in a respectful way, (i.e. comparing ladyjane to a "bad dog") then I think it is quite clear that you have even less patience to deal with a small dog (I also understand that you have "raised dogs" for many years prior to this, but clearly previous experience is not helping you here. I have owned a dog before (he just passed away after 15 years), and I am here avidly reading/researching on how to take care of a yorkie and I do not PRESUME that my previous experience with a dog will lead me to be able to raise a Yorkie). And I understand that you've made mention of the fact that if you didn't care you wouldn't be posting here to begin with, but honestly it just seems to me like you just want to use this forum as an "I told you so" against your fiance rather than coming from you actually caring about Bdog.

Wow! What an intelligent, articulate and very accurate post. I do believe you have him pegged. And welcome, very refreshing to have a new person jump in with a positive contribution. I definitely look forward to reading more of your insightful posts. Again, welcome!!!!

[Luvdogs2]

Originally Posted by celstu1

This isn't a fair statement. I don't want to ruffle feathers since I admire and respect you both for all you do for animals and your helpful advice, but this person is reaching out, asking for help and you both keep saying to get rid of the dog. That's not going to happen.

This dog displays a lot of the same traits as my Fletcher does. As for you telling him that he is not a good dog owner because of the dogs behavior, well you are hurting and offending ME also. My Fletcher is VERY submissive to me for NO real reason. I never hit him, I am very loving to him, gentle and know his quirky personality, but its seemingly unwarranted. I am trying to get information from this thread as well as others are I'm sure. I've had Fletcher since he was 9 weeks old, and he is now 5 years and 3 months old. I have his brother also for the same length of time, my Dexter, who is NOTHING like that at all, not submissive, not sketchy of noises and people. Fletcher literally jumps when he is laying with you and you so much as snicker at the TV or sneeze. Its sad and it breaks my heart.

I think it's time you STOP saying to get rid of the dog, that is not going to happen. Help or please, find a new thread. I feel this owner is TRYING and genuinely loves this dog and wants to help her be a better dog. Your responses as of now are not helpful to him or anyone else looking for objective advice.

celstu1, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for the kind words. I hate to say it, but with as kind and loving as dog owners are, it's nice to find those that can look past the wrongs and find the right in here. I don't always communicate the best, but I'm glad to know that there are people like you out there.

Have a happy holiday! To the rest with doubt and anger, I'll just go with the idea that nothing nice to say should remain unsaid.

[Luvdogs2]

Originally Posted by celstu1

Sometimes I am too naive or innocent for my own good... but I always try to be hopeful for someone else.

Luvsdogs2 - Please take to heart that people here LOVE this breed, they are passionate about them and they want to see each and every dog in this world loved and treated right. We have (as a forum) seen and heard some HORRENDOUS things happen to dogs that would make a grown man cry like a baby. Ladyjane does work with dogs that sadly came from the worst of the worst. Her hopes and intentions for each dog is bigger than anyone Ive ever seen or heard. It physically hurts her (and emotionally and mentally) to hear of a dog being mistreated in any way. As it does for a lot of us.

If you are TRULY in need of help/advice for your dog, please stay and learn and let us know how this goes. If you are putting us on or making up stories, please GO. When I look my babies in the eye and I see all the love in the world shining there, I know there is no greater gift in my life. I know that it is ME who is blessed to have them and their unconditional love. Yorkies are a unique breed of dog. You need to give Bdog patience, love, time and more love. I could not stand to think that your beautiful girl, your loving, wonderful, sweet girl is not getting all the love that she so deserves, because she loves you, despite everything, she does.

Celstu1,

I'm responding as I'm reading the new posts, so I apologize for the rapid postings. I am a very, very busy person...and if you go back and look at the posts, times and responses, you'll see that I have invested time in this...and with my duties, I don't have a lot of spare time. I love wrenching on cars, I'm currently using my engineering schooling to design new parts in the industry work I do - put it this way, I cater to our men and women fighting for our country and the law enforcement officers that keep us safe at home. I have my business, I have my fiance, I have school, I have little alone time - so with all of my interests and hobbies/duties - do you all think that I'm here just to lie and ruffle the feathers??

After your last post, I really am touched that it appears that I'm being seen for what I am. I'll clue you in a little more on why I'm not quick to put myself out there altogether. I'm acting as anonymous because animal neglect and abuse is a FELONY. Now, I'm not nervous in any way that I am at risk of ANY conviction, but all it would take is some yahoo thinking they were acting on a noble deed to start an investigation which would put my business at a screeching halt while any investigation was taking place. THEN, I have to fight to get my business back into operation. Then, I get to drop a bunch of money on the lawyer and file charges on the person that started the investigation.

So, it's kind of serious that I don't give somebody the opportunity to get smart because I disciplined a dog in a manner that is just disagreeable between some owners and others. Now, after doing extensive research, I have found that I was without a doubt wrong and uneducated at the time. I am now, and you should see the work in progress on this dog. I don't doubt she is going to get it now and as my fiance sees the progress, she is going to be on board 100%.

Ladyjane, I'm glad one of the patrons on this site forwarded me your posts so I could see them. First, private messaging is private and not for public viewing. I can easily post your things too but I have a higher regard for respect and integrity. I don't care if you saved 100 or 1000 dogs, your conduct and candor is less than honorable towards me. You talked about pitting one member against another, yet you are attempting it yourself. You told me you don't appreciate _______ in your private message, but in the same message, you did the same thing to me. That's awful arrogant and hypocritical, and I don't know why you continue and persist. Please leave me alone, or check your feelings at the door and offer suggestions that don't involve removing the dog. I'll admit, I was angry when I started my membership, but I think it's clear to see that anger is often accompanied through frustration and ignorance. If you can't see me through my posts and intent, then you need some Lasik or something. If you think I'm referring to you in my posts, I don't know what to say - you've been on ignore...and I'm not that petty. I apologize for the harm done up until now. If you continue, that's on you. If you would like to move on, I'm more than interested.

[Luvdogs2]

I was told by another patron in my posts that I have come off cold, "point in fact" and so on. I do get that a lot more as I have conversed with a great many people in my career as a student and business owner.

I know I've said it before, but please let me say it again. I don't know everything, I'm not a master of anything, I'm always learning and I go through life learning the lessons of my mistakes more than what I've learned through my successes. I don't know all of the answers and when I hit a brick wall, I don't look to see how to tear it down, I look for the proper way to get over or around it. I am accepting of criticism, but I'm hard to accept chastising for mistakes. I have a hard time when somebody tells me I'm wrong without showing me why or how. I hold the idea close to heart that if my way isn't good, please show me your way so I can see how it's supposed to be.

Looking through the posts and reading, back through this - it has been difficult knowing why I started my membership and asking for ideas and help to only hear about how I would get beat up or left if I hit your dogs. I get that, and I understand the sincerity of your feelings...but it was frustrating because I had failed on so many levels on getting this dog situation started on a prospective path.

I also had 2 tests I needed to study for on Monday and Tuesday, so my time and responses were around my studies along with regular class schedules.

I am still here, I've learned so much and we've developed a plan to keep moving forward.

I may not always communicate the best, especially over a manner which one doesn't see facial expressions and tones of voice, which is an important part of dialogue, but I'll try better. Some people have expressed knowledge of an engineers attitude...knowing this and reading my posts, I must seem pretty on par with your experiences.

I hope I can be looked at in better light, I'm really not a horrible person.

[roseylovestosho]

Originally Posted by Luvdogs2

I was told by another patron in my posts that I have come off cold, "point in fact" and so on. I do get that a lot more as I have conversed with a great many people in my career as a student and business owner.

I know I've said it before, but please let me say it again. I don't know everything, I'm not a master of anything, I'm always learning and I go through life learning the lessons of my mistakes more than what I've learned through my successes. I don't know all of the answers and when I hit a brick wall, I don't look to see how to tear it down, I look for the proper way to get over or around it. I am accepting of criticism, but I'm hard to accept chastising for mistakes. I have a hard time when somebody tells me I'm wrong without showing me why or how. I hold the idea close to heart that if my way isn't good, please show me your way so I can see how it's supposed to be.

Looking through the posts and reading, back through this - it has been difficult knowing why I started my membership and asking for ideas and help to only hear about how I would get beat up or left if I hit your dogs. I get that, and I understand the sincerity of your feelings...but it was frustrating because I had failed on so many levels on getting this dog situation started on a prospective path.

I also had 2 tests I needed to study for on Monday and Tuesday, so my time and responses were around my studies along with regular class schedules.

I am still here, I've learned so much and we've developed a plan to keep moving forward.

I may not always communicate the best, especially over a manner which one doesn't see facial expressions and tones of voice, which is an important part of dialogue, but I'll try better. Some people have expressed knowledge of an engineers attitude...knowing this and reading my posts, I must seem pretty on par with your experiences.

I hope I can be looked at in better light, I'm really not a horrible person.

One thing you can do, is stop directing comments toward ladyjane. You presumably blocked her for a reason, so why do you keep talking about her? You mentioned in the earlier post that you are not "petty," but in fact, that is what you are appearing to the rest of the members of this community by continuing to make personal attacks on the character of another person here. So just, stop, or "move forward," as your catch phrase appears to be. I am a phD student, and like you, I am also "extremely busy," however the beauty of forums, is that you type out your thoughts and can actually review them before submitting them. Usually in face to face conversation, you might say something "in the heat of the moment" that you cannot take back. You actually get the opportunity to think things through before you type and submit, yet you still seem to just answer haphazardly without actually thinking about the implications of your words. Please, just stop talking about other members, and only talk about YOUR DOG, that is what you are here for, right?

[ladyjane]

I offered plenty of constructive suggestions. Funny how you ignore them and focus on other stuff. AND...funny how you manage to ignore when others say the same things I do.
I see what you are doing.
Honestly, I don't care except that I hate what people like you try to do to YT.
If you REALLY want to help your fiance and her dog, get back to discussing that..and same to your "patron friends" . Really does not sound like you or they are interested in the dog..only in another "agenda" that has been seen before.
Carry on ... This IS about "the dog" is it not? If not, then you should close this thread. Or someone should.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I offered plenty of constructive suggestions. Funny how you ignore them and focus on other stuff. AND...funny how you manage to ignore when others say the same things I do.
I see what you are doing.
Honestly, I don't care except that I hate what people like you try to do to YT.
If you REALLY want to help your fiance and her dog, get back to discussing that..and same to your "patron friends" . Really does not sound like you or they are interested in the dog..only in another "agenda" that has been seen before.
Carry on ... This IS about "the dog" is it not? If not, then you should close this thread. Or someone should.

ladyjane....i love you! this guy is a meanspirited dog hitting abusive pet owner that doesn't deserve to have a yorkie in his life. he knows it and now we all do too....let's go get some margaritas and forget all about this awful thread and this awful person ey?

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by Luvdogs2

Celstu1,

I'm responding as I'm reading the new posts, so I apologize for the rapid postings. I am a very, very busy person...and if you go back and look at the posts, times and responses, you'll see that I have invested time in this...and with my duties, I don't have a lot of spare time. I love wrenching on cars, I'm currently using my engineering schooling to design new parts in the industry work I do - put it this way, I cater to our men and women fighting for our country and the law enforcement officers that keep us safe at home. I have my business, I have my fiance, I have school, I have little alone time - so with all of my interests and hobbies/duties - do you all think that I'm here just to lie and ruffle the feathers??

What a long winded way to say you have little free time. you must really not have any free time.

Originally Posted by Luvdogs2

After your last post, I really am touched that it appears that I'm being seen for what I am. I'll clue you in a little more on why I'm not quick to put myself out there altogether. I'm acting as anonymous because animal neglect and abuse is a FELONY. Now, I'm not nervous in any way that I am at risk of ANY conviction, but all it would take is some yahoo thinking they were acting on a noble deed to start an investigation which would put my business at a screeching halt while any investigation was taking place. THEN, I have to fight to get my business back into operation. Then, I get to drop a bunch of money on the lawyer and file charges on the person that started the investigation.

LOL

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by celstu1

I agree... I do not think it's vindictive. However, I don't know how to explain why they do something like that when I'm not in the room. Anxious, nervous, separation issues??? They are smart boys who know to go outside for potty, but this type of behavior happens just about EVERY time I shut them out of a room that I'm in, even for only 3 mins. I am lost on this one. I know when I come out of the room to just start hunting for where they went cuz it's somewhere, no doubt.

i have the same issue. if hubbie and i need some "us" time my two have started the pee/poop on the floor inside thing. i wasn't sure at first if we just didn't let them out in plenty time to go, but we tried letting them out right before we went away and were only gone less than an hour and they did it again...so now we either gate them at the end of the hall right by our bedroom door, or kennel them in the kitchen on a tiled floor. it seems to help somehow.

[eddiesmom14]

If you are so short on free time then why is it you can expound at length about what a great person you are and all you do for the country, etc., etc. and hardly ever mention the dog in so many posts when she is supposed to be the reason you came here in the first place.

You are a button pusher. You push your fiancee's buttons your dog's buttons and now you are here pushing ours.

I'm out of it.

To LadyJane and the rest who are trying your best I commend you. I've just been down this road before. Any other boards would probably consider him a troll. He has a lot more spare time than he lets on or he wouldn't be here.

[kalina82]

this thread is just getting out of hand now and should probably be closed. the bickering is just going to continue on both sides.

OP, you got a lot of great advice here for re-training your fiance's yorkie. I hope you use it. If you have more questions along the way, don't hesitate to ask in a new thread. I really don't think you're going to get much else out of this particular thread.

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by eddiesmom14

If you are so short on free time then why is it you can expound at length about what a great person you are and all you do for the country, etc., etc. and hardly ever mention the dog in so many posts when she is supposed to be the reason you came here in the first place.

You are a button pusher. You push your fiancee's buttons your dog's buttons and now you are here pushing ours.

I'm out of it.

To LadyJane and the rest who are trying your best I commend you. I've just been down this road before. Any other boards would probably consider him a troll. He has a lot more spare time than he lets on or he wouldn't be here.

I have him on "ignore" so I don't have to tolerate his posts.
I couldn't even see the PM he sent me the other day unless I hit "View Message" - didn't want to do that, so just deleted it. I can imagine what he had to say.

I just cannot abide anyone who would abuse an animal. And hitting a dog is abuse.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by celstu1

Sometimes I am too naive or innocent for my own good... but I always try to be hopeful for someone else.

Luvsdogs2 - Please take to heart that people here LOVE this breed, they are passionate about them and they want to see each and every dog in this world loved and treated right. We have (as a forum) seen and heard some HORRENDOUS things happen to dogs that would make a grown man cry like a baby. Ladyjane does work with dogs that sadly came from the worst of the worst. Her hopes and intentions for each dog is bigger than anyone Ive ever seen or heard. It physically hurts her (and emotionally and mentally) to hear of a dog being mistreated in any way. As it does for a lot of us.

If you are TRULY in need of help/advice for your dog, please stay and learn and let us know how this goes. If you are putting us on or making up stories, please GO. When I look my babies in the eye and I see all the love in the world shining there, I know there is no greater gift in my life. I know that it is ME who is blessed to have them and their unconditional love. Yorkies are a unique breed of dog. You need to give Bdog patience, love, time and more love. I could not stand to think that your beautiful girl, your loving, wonderful, sweet girl is not getting all the love that she so deserves, because she loves you, despite everything, she does.

brought tears to my eyes. well said...that's how i feel with mine. looking in their little faces makes me know that i will never give up on them, never turn them away from our home, and never stop trying for them. if i'm not getting a point across i'll ask for help no matter what the cost is. i will not just give up on my dogs because i can't communicate to them. they love me too much for me to hurt them, and physicall harm them, i couldn't bear to do it. i feel awful for even yelling or raising my voice and watching little Bentley cower and run and hide behind the couch. he's been abused much like this person's little dog has. he's scared of me when i seem upset, and i don't ever want to scare him like that. i have to be extra patient and show him praise for good and not raise my voice when he's bad because i don't want to scare him, i want him to know he's loved and he finally belongs and i will not give him away like his other families have done.

[megansmomma]

I have one thing to say-----

[eddiesmom14]

Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

I have him on "ignore" so I don't have to tolerate his posts.
I couldn't even see the PM he sent me the other day unless I hit "View Message" - didn't want to do that, so just deleted it. I can imagine what he had to say.

I just cannot abide anyone who would abuse an animal. And hitting a dog is abuse.

and Happy Thanksgiving to Everyone!