Latest "Incident"... Need opinions...

[LauraLove]

Originally Posted by luvfla

I'm am trying hard to bite my tongue BUT...first 6 months is too early to know if someone is marriage material & second, it sounds like you have spent the majority of that time trying to CHANGE her. Is see control issues all over your posts.

isnt this supposed to be about the dog? not about his marriage choices...my parents got engaged after 6 months and have been together ever since
(almost 30 years). I LOVE yorkie talk but this whole thread has really made me angry not cause of his dog training habits (because we all have what works for us) but because people are not keeping their unnecessary comments to themselves.

[Breezeaway]

globemaster I certainly hope you dont get married and have children. I would be inclined to think you would be arrested for child abuse. IMO you should give that baby away to someone that will love and take care of him the RIGHT WAY. I would be glad to take him off your hands, atleast he wouldnt have his face rubbed in pee and poop. I truly am just appalled over this thing. Shame on you. You, IMO don't deserve to even own a dog.

[carmengamble]

Originally Posted by LauraLove

isnt this supposed to be about the dog? not about his marriage choices...my parents got engaged after 6 months and have been together ever since
(almost 30 years). I LOVE yorkie talk but this whole thread has really made me angry not cause of his dog training habits (because we all have what works for us) but because people are not keeping their unnecessary comments to themselves.

Well, I've been reading and reading the entire thread and I have to disagree with your message, LauraLove. In order to fully train the dog, and the dog to fully understand, you have to keep consistent.

If globemaster is taking him out every 3 hours, or confining him, or whatever the plan is and his girlfriend isn't following the plan, then of course the dog isn't going to be trained. He is going to be utterly confused!

I'm sorry to disagree, but this has a lot to do with their relationship. They need to be on the same page with things in order to train the dog to their liking.

[carmengamble]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

globemaster I certainly hope you dont get married and have children. I would be inclined to think you would be arrested for child abuse. IMO you should give that baby away to someone that will love and take care of him the RIGHT WAY. I would be glad to take him off your hands, atleast he wouldnt have his face rubbed in pee and poop. I truly am just appalled over this thing. Shame on you. You, IMO don't deserve to even own a dog.

I'm sorry but I have to step up and say something. It shows a lot of initiative that globemaster is on YT looking for tips on how to solve this road block him and his significant other are in at the time.

It also shows that he cares about the dog a lot since he replies to the majority of helpful tips and posts from others.

I think it is incredibly rude for you to pass judgment like this. He is looking for help, not looking to get bashed!

[LauraLove]

Originally Posted by carmengamble

I'm sorry but I have to step up and say something. It shows a lot of initiative that globemaster is on YT looking for tips on how to solve this road block him and his significant other are in at the time.

It also shows that he cares about the dog a lot since he replies to the majority of helpful tips and posts from others.

I think it is incredibly rude for you to pass judgment like this. He is looking for help, not looking to get bashed!

i agree!! poor guy getting bashed on a stupid web site when all he wanted was some advice! I think everyone on here should keep their opinions to themselves! he is in NO way harming the dog and that does not reflect what so ever how he would be with children! i am appalled at the comment about him being a child abuser? what the hell is that!

[LauraLove]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

globemaster I certainly hope you dont get married and have children. I would be inclined to think you would be arrested for child abuse. IMO you should give that baby away to someone that will love and take care of him the RIGHT WAY. I would be glad to take him off your hands, atleast he wouldnt have his face rubbed in pee and poop. I truly am just appalled over this thing. Shame on you. You, IMO don't deserve to even own a dog.

how does this have ANYTHING to do with child abuse? I think that is very rude to say to a person you dont even know. his training in no way reflect how he would be with children. this is just disgusting...leave the guy alone!

[LauraLove]

Originally Posted by carmengamble

Well, I've been reading and reading the entire thread and I have to disagree with your message, LauraLove. In order to fully train the dog, and the dog to fully understand, you have to keep consistent.

If globemaster is taking him out every 3 hours, or confining him, or whatever the plan is and his girlfriend isn't following the plan, then of course the dog isn't going to be trained. He is going to be utterly confused!

I'm sorry to disagree, but this has a lot to do with their relationship. They need to be on the same page with things in order to train the dog to their liking.

i agree it has to do with their relationship but he WASNT ASKING for peoples opinions about getting married....he was asking about training the dog but to say he shouldnt get married because of training issues is just wrong....

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by LauraLove

i agree!! poor guy getting bashed on a stupid web site when all he wanted was some advice! I think everyone on here should keep their opinions to themselves! he is in NO way harming the dog and that does not reflect what so ever how he would be with children! i am appalled at the comment about him being a child abuser? what the hell is that!

Not harming the dog? What!! Rubbing the dogs face and holding it in his own urine is abuse as well as the negative methods of training the OP has used. Emotional abuse is still abuse. Also the holding the dogs face in it is very dangerous. I am glad the OP is here trying to get help but to say that is he is not harming the dog is just shocking.

[globemaster]

Originally Posted by luvfla

I'm am trying hard to bite my tongue BUT...first 6 months is too early to know if someone is marriage material & second, it sounds like you have spent the majority of that time trying to CHANGE her. Is see control issues all over your posts.

I never asked her to get rid of her cat, but she NEVER peed in the litter box and had also peed on her bed, and two couches while I'd known her. That is a no brainer. I never said a word to her - she realized on her own it wasn't sanitary and the cat had to go. Her apartment still reeks of cat urine.

As for the smoking... I get sinus infections twice a year. Once again, I never asked her or mentioned anything. She started asking me about it because she knew I didn't smoke. I said I hated the smell of smoke and she quit.

I said that I'm viewing her as marriage material. An actual ring would be at least 7 or 8 issue free months away meaning over a year of being with her. At 31 years old I don't view that as being too much time and I've never tried to control her on anything.

[globemaster]

Originally Posted by carmengamble

I'm sorry but I have to step up and say something. It shows a lot of initiative that globemaster is on YT looking for tips on how to solve this road block him and his significant other are in at the time.

It also shows that he cares about the dog a lot since he replies to the majority of helpful tips and posts from others.

I think it is incredibly rude for you to pass judgment like this. He is looking for help, not looking to get bashed!

I'll take any amount of bashing to get the little guy properly trained. He means too much to my girlfriend to allow for any other option than proper training and I'm willing to put forth any effort. I just need help since I'm gone a bunch.

It turns out my girlfriend had a little more to drink last night than I realized. She was out with a friend while I was at home taking care of personal stuff. She must have passed out while I was walking her. My girlfriend feels bad about it and gave me a verbal tonight that she'd help out more. I spelled out to her that the dog WILL be taken out EVERY 3 hours.

As for telling me not to have children... Its not like I'm some drunken redneck. I rubbed a dog's face in pee to help train it. I'm a C-17 pilot in the Air Force flying Aeromedical Evacuation out of Balad Iraq. My parents raised me pretty well and I'm sure I'd be capable of raising kids if I set my mind to it. Part of this argument IS about raising kids, because I want to know that she is going to play a role in their training and discipline. Having your boyfriend train your dog 18 months after you got him is not responsible. I also don't want my kids growing up rolling around in dog urine.

[ParrotLady]

Originally Posted by globemaster

Her apartment still reeks of cat urine.

First, Sorry this got way off topic and I am sort of taking it further, but at least I am helping! LOL

Peroxide will get rid of the cat urine wherever it is. Once when we were staying in a cabin in Arkansas, we left our window cracked open on the car. A cat climbed in and marked the driver's seat all over.

We figured it didn't matter if we ruined the seat, we had to get the smell out in order to drive it. We poured a bottle of peroxide over the seat and then let the car air out. No more cat smell.

We have since done this for other cat urine problems in a house and it worked without hurting a thing. You might try a little on one spot just to make sure though.

Second, it sounds like you have a girl friend that wants to please you if she will quit smoking for you. Just have a heart to heart and see if you can appeal to her sweetly to help with the dog. Paint a wonderful picture of the future when the dog is trained.

[QuickSilver]

Originally Posted by Breeze

Not harming the dog? What!! Rubbing the dogs face and holding it in his own urine is abuse as well as the negative methods of training the OP has used. Emotional abuse is still abuse. Also the holding the dogs face in it is very dangerous. I am glad the OP is here trying to get help but to say that is he is not harming the dog is just shocking.

Rubbing your dog's nose in "it" was par for the course until maybe the eighties. I certainly don't recommend it as a training method, but I wouldn't say that everyone who has ever done this is an abuser either.

I'm starting to feel a little bit afraid to ask for advice on these forums. It's not just because of this thread, but it seems like if you admit to any kind of mistake, someone is going to get up in arms about it.

[Erin]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

Rubbing your dog's nose in "it" was par for the course until maybe the eighties. I certainly don't recommend it as a training method, but I wouldn't say that everyone who has ever done this is an abuser either.

This is very true! This is just what people used to do. There were some very popular dog training books that encouraged it. Some are even still available - I went through our local library's dog training section and I was very disappointed with the selection of mostly out-dated training books. I donated a few that are up to date, but I doubt they will be pulling the old ones.

Actually, they use almost exclusively positive training (no choke chains, harsh methods) in the UK and I think also in Australia. Since anyone can call themselves a trainer (or a groomer, for that matter) in the US, unfortunately you can still find many classes that encourage or require choke chains! These are OLD, OUTDATED training methods. But if the person using them is simply misinformed, the person is not evil.

We want to encourage our new friend to STAY on YT, right? Gentle encouragement and ADVICE is better than telling him to never have children

I'm not happy with the rubbing the face in the pee thing at all, but since most people on here use pee-pads and my dogs are trained to go outside, I thought I could possibly help with this one. Ugh, I should just write a sticky and be done!

Globemaster - did you try the water thing yet???

[Breezeaway]

This is all I'm going to say about it.....This is a very, VERY poor way to train a dog or any kind of animal. I'm pretty sure your parents didn't shove your face into your waste while you were trying to learn how to use the toilet. Pushing a dog's nose in their own feces is a poor training technique. It often frightens them more than trains them. When we get puppies they are similar to human babies, so would you rub your baby's nose in feces? I would say it is animal abuse. And by doing that it would make your animal think you hate him/her. they wouldn't trust you, and or like you. I, like all of you have my opinion, its just that, my opinion. You say I am bashing him yet you in turn bash me. Pot calling the kettle black.

[carmengamble]

Originally Posted by carmengamble

I'm sorry but I have to step up and say something. It shows a lot of initiative that globemaster is on YT looking for tips on how to solve this road block him and his significant other are in at the time.

It also shows that he cares about the dog a lot since he replies to the majority of helpful tips and posts from others.

I think it is incredibly rude for you to pass judgment like this. He is looking for help, not looking to get bashed!

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

This is all I'm going to say about it.....This is a very, VERY poor way to train a dog or any kind of animal. I'm pretty sure your parents didn't shove your face into your waste while you were trying to learn how to use the toilet. Pushing a dog's nose in their own feces is a poor training technique. It often frightens them more than trains them. When we get puppies they are similar to human babies, so would you rub your baby's nose in feces? I would say it is animal abuse. And by doing that it would make your animal think you hate him/her. they wouldn't trust you, and or like you. I, like all of you have my opinion, its just that, my opinion. You say I am bashing him yet you in turn bash me. Pot calling the kettle black.

Sorry you feel that way ..... breezeaway...

Globemaster - I sincerely wish you good luck with your training There are a lot of helpful people on this forum (Quiksilver being one of them!)