Latest "Incident"... Need opinions...

[YorkieOwned5]

Mister, if you think you have problems NOW, wait until she tries to breed him and wants to bring the 'pick of the litter' home with her... You will have a NEW PUPPY and more mess than you can even imagine.. IT WILL pe and poop where ever and when ever before the training is instilled. I have TWO PUPPIES that are 4 MONTHS old and they still have Accidents..... I have been working constantly with both since they walked into this house. It is a hard, time consuming and stressful time for everyone. Thank goodness they are almost 90% trained but they have accidents.. They are confined to the living room where we spend our time. I am training them to pee pads so we don't have to go out in the weather.
Good Luck, your gonna need it... BTW, you should let your girlfriend read all of these posts, see if it matters to her what your doing for her. She sounds spoiled.

Originally Posted by globemaster

How do you think I found this site? The dog has already learned its bad in around a month which is more than he learned in the previous 17. Punishment is part of training. You punish your kids, there are "punishments" at work for underperformance, etc... Its all part of life. You're exaggerating when talking about breaking bones. I understand he's small and he never gets hit. I've yet to figure out how holding a dog's nose in pee hurts it.

This dog is not an "innocent baby". He's a dog that before me was known to pee on the carpet, right in front of your face, at 17 months, 15 minutes after being taken out. Thanks to me he's getting better about it. I can assure you there was zero improvement before me - I've been dating her for over 6 months.

The belly bands are needed to prevent the dog from marking. My girlfriend wants to breed him. The order didn't go through for whatever reason last time. The Ceaser Milan Videos did. If anyone has that link, it would help.

I will have a "big slobbery mouth dog" one day as that is the type of dog I'm most comfortable with. I'm a C-17 pilot right now and can't take care of one full time. However, this dog will probably one day be my dog, so long as I can successfully train it. The dog is VERY important to me. I'm upset that as important as the dog is to my girlfriend, his training is completely UNIMPORTANT to her. I don't care if he barks, chews, jumps up on people, or pulls on his leash - I'm not going to live in a zoo and a house isn't a Yorkie Urinal.

His comfort is also equally unimportant to her as I often ask her if he needs to be taken out and she evidently has no idea how often that should happen. Heck tonight she told me he DIDN'T need to be taken out AFTER he peed. Then she didn't clean up after it while I was walking "her" dog. He peed several times when I took him out - mostly marking.

I've bought books to read on the subject and been reading all kinds of posts on here. I've presented the books to my girlfriend and highlighted pertinent information for my girlfriend to read. She's done nothing to help out with his training.

[globemaster]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Furthermore, if this dog is now marking and is not fixed what do you think he will be like after she allows him to breed? It is known that after a male is allowed to breed the marking will increase and their personality changes as well. I can only imagine how he will then be peeing all over her apartment. Look into neutering him, getting him a crate and stop the punishing/nose rubbing.

I've heard yall talk about that and it sounds as if he needs to be neutered, but she is dead set on breeding him. Her apartment and furniture is already trashed and the fact that he hasn't been trained is why I refuse to allow her to bring him to my place. I own a house.

He's already been bread by accident as her roommates 10 year old mutt went into heat and they did the deed. My game plan was to train him, restrict his movement, and then see how things go after he's neutered. If he still marks, which I'm expecting he will, then it would be belly bands and scored concrete on my house for the rest of his life. We've already discussed that she cleans up the messes, but I just saw how that works out tonight...

He's got a crate and he's fine in there. If he has an accident it means he was left there over 12 hours and medically had to pee.

[Mom to Hot Rod]

I hope that you read some of what you are posting and see why some are a bit up in arms. Time for me to go to bed.

[QuickSilver]

Originally Posted by globemaster

I've heard yall talk about that and it sounds as if he needs to be neutered, but she is dead set on breeding him. Her apartment and furniture is already trashed....

He's already been bread by accident as her roommates 10 year old mutt went into heat and they did the deed..

Okay, you seem decent enough, but we need to talk about your lady friend.... You probably know we have a terrible pet overpopulation problem in this country. You know where all these extra pets are coming from? Accidental matings and casual studding because he's a pretty dog. Has this dog been tested for liver shunt and other afflictions common to yorkies? Will the pups be sold under a spay/neuter contract?

If you're going to bring lives into this world, even pet lives, you need to think about what kind of life you can promise them, and what kind of life their offspring in turn have. How sad would it be to learn that some of the pups your dog sired ended with a bad owner who had them PTS?

Breeding is major, way more major than potty training.

[globemaster]

Originally Posted by Mom to Hot Rod

Sounds like he is getting mixed signals from the 2 of you. You 2 need to decide on how to train together and stick with it. The dog will never learn properly if he getting mixed signals. I would only give treats for the times he pottys outside. He doesn't understand what the treat is for when "he doesn't go inside". I'm not sure either of what you mean-in the house or in the crate?

Also, how long does he spend in the crate? A dog should not be crate for more than 4 hours. I didn't crate mine, for the short week before we got our expen, for more than 2 hours-3 hours max. If you or your girlfriend cannot be home to let him out, you can do 1 of 3 things, get someone to let him out for a walk or get an expen and have his crate, food and water and pee pad in there or gate him off in an area with his things. This will allow him to be able to stretch and use his pad when he needs. It is good that you will taking him out every 3 hours, but make it sound so concrete and expect his bladder to conform to your time table. Yes, routine will help but he is just starting his training from what I've read in this post. You cannot expect him to pick it up right away.

My 10 mo old is very good on the pad and going out but one morning about 2 mos ago, before I got a chance to put her harness on, she was still a bit sleepy thought she was already on the grass and peed right in front of me on the carpet. Just be patient and diligent. My 18 mo old is just finishing up his treatment for a urinary tract infection...he is VERY good about pottying, yet he peed 2x on the floor in the laundry room from his uti. So take it slow and just be gentle. Good luck.

By inside I mean indoors other than the crate. If he goes in the crate its because he was left there too long. He's left in the crate a minimum of 7-4 every day. Both of us have full time jobs. When I'm at home I usually let him out a time or two before she gets home. Most of the time I'll play with him too. I usually work 50-60 hours a week. As a military officer there's no way around it. She's a school teacher.

I'm actually impressed with how much he's learned in a month, but he's more mature, so its not unheard of. If it I had put him in the crate I feel comfortable this wouldn't have happened. I was gonna be letting him out shortly anyway.

I'm not so furious we had an accident. I was curious as to whether it was a jealousy thing which I've heard about before or whether I'm not letting him out frequently enough. It makes much more sense now.

I agree with you about the "Same page" comment. There will be talk of that tomorrow. She needs to be giving treats every time too. Consistency is a key to teaching.

[globemaster]

Originally Posted by YorkieOwned5

Mister, if you think you have problems NOW, wait until she tries to breed him and wants to bring the 'pick of the litter' home with her... You will have a NEW PUPPY and more mess than you can even imagine.. IT WILL pe and poop where ever and when ever before the training is instilled. I have TWO PUPPIES that are 4 MONTHS old and they still have Accidents..... I have been working constantly with both since they walked into this house. It is a hard, time consuming and stressful time for everyone. Thank goodness they are almost 90% trained but they have accidents.. They are confined to the living room where we spend our time. I am training them to pee pads so we don't have to go out in the weather.
Good Luck, your gonna need it... BTW, you should let your girlfriend read all of these posts, see if it matters to her what your doing for her. She sounds spoiled.

I know. She's told me she's not keeping it. Unless she's lying then I won't have to worry about it. The fact that he's not really a puppy anymore is what has got me frustrated. I'm doing all the day 1 work for her 18 month old and not getting much help. I have no problem with training puppies, because you expect that. You get a puppy knowing it has to be trained by you.

Thank god my girlfriend is so beautiful, smart, funny, and treats me so well and that is what is going through my mind as I'm putting all this effort and money in.

[globemaster]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Aggragerating about breaking bones. Once again please see the video. He was STEPPED on. His spine is crushed. You could step on a Cocker Spaniel or an English Setter and not crush a spine~they are delicate.

As for breeding this dog if your girlfriend is not able to get his potty training under control PLEASE think twice about breeding. There is a lot more that goes into breeding a dog than just owning one. Unless she has a lot of experience as a Yorkie breeder there really isn't any need to make puppies. If she wants to make something have her make cookies.

I understand that and stepping on the dog is what scares me more than anything else. He's always underfoot even when I'm carrying things and have no idea where he's at. I'm also learning NOT to just plop down on the couch because he loves to run right underneath both of us. Thankfully he's vocal about it so I know he's there.

I don't want her to breed him, but she's dead set on it. I've seen him with other Yorkies and he's obviously more attractive. I do need to spell it out that if she does then she can't keep it. From what it sounds like, she isn't taking care of him now and I'm not even talking about the house training.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by globemaster

I know. She's told me she's not keeping it. Unless she's lying then I won't have to worry about it. The fact that he's not really a puppy anymore is what has got me frustrated. I'm doing all the day 1 work for her 18 month old and not getting much help. I have no problem with training puppies, because you expect that. You get a puppy knowing it has to be trained by you.

Thank god my girlfriend is so beautiful, smart, funny, and treats me so well and that is what is going through my mind as I'm putting all this effort and money in.

He is marking because "she" bred him and did not train him. That is her mistake and not the dogs. He is doing what nature tells a adult dog that has been left unneutered and has been bred to do.

This maybe impossible to fix at this point. The dog should not be punished ever for doing this. I would stop with the punishments and use a belly band.

[globemaster]

Originally Posted by Breeze

I think that he is marking and at his age it can be almost impossible to stop. I think the best chance is to get him neutered, but at his age it might be too late already.

Marking is an extremly strong instinct and this is going to lead to a very unhappy, frustrated owner and a very scared yorkie. You must likely will have to use belly bands at all times especially if you breed him. Most stud dog do have to wear them at all times due to their constant marking. I would seriously perhaps think if you can not stop with the rubbing of his nose in it, or using negative punishments that maybe you should think to rehome him. All the best.

I think I'm prepared to keep him in a belly band forever over the marking. There won't be punishment for the marking, because I view that as waaaaay different. When it comes to stuff like that over sexual stuff no dog can learn different. You just have to prevent the pee from getting everywhere. Simply squatting and peeing is done for a different reason in most cases. Please tell me if I'm wrong on that though. Tonight he peed because he had to pee, not because he didn't want another male dog to infringe on his territory.

He's marked her whole apartment and my girlfriend either really didn't know about it or was so embarrassed to have me bring it up that she lied to me about it. He's marked most of her furniture.

[YorkieOwned5]

IF she thinks she can get 8 or 9 hundred for a puppy, GOOD LUCK.. with this economy people just are not paying that much, she might be lucky to get 5 or 6 depending on where your located, but don't count on it. I recently spent a grand and got TWO, and they are beatiful with great bloodlines..... good luck, your gonna need it with little miss spoiled.. she's not doing the dog or you any favors..

HEAVEN forbid you have real children together... will she be able to change diapers and keep the house clean... just sayin......

[globemaster]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

Okay, you seem decent enough, but we need to talk about your lady friend.... You probably know we have a terrible pet overpopulation problem in this country. You know where all these extra pets are coming from? Accidental matings and casual studding because he's a pretty dog. Has this dog been tested for liver shunt and other afflictions common to yorkies? Will the pups be sold under a spay/neuter contract?

If you're going to bring lives into this world, even pet lives, you need to think about what kind of life you can promise them, and what kind of life their offspring in turn have. How sad would it be to learn that some of the pups your dog sired ended with a bad owner who had them PTS?

Breeding is major, way more major than potty training.

I agree with you 100%. They had the 10 year old spayed immediately and that prevented any puppies.

When it comes to grooming and vet visits she's been meticulous about it, so I'm assuming all that has been done. I don't know about all that breeding stuff at all. This is one of the reasons I've prodded her to get on here, but she's been lazy. I've even compared knowing about her dog to me knowing about my airplane, but it hasn't worked. Hopefully a talk tomorrow will help.

[globemaster]

Originally Posted by Breeze

He is marking because "she" bred him and did not train him. That is her mistake and not the dogs. He is doing what nature tells a adult dog that has been left unneutered and has been bred to do.

This maybe impossible to fix at this point. The dog should not be punished ever for doing this. I would stop with the punishments and use a belly band.

I don't think what he was doing today was marking. It wasn't a few dribbles like I see on the furniture. It was a larger puddle in the middle of the carpet with nothing around. Unless that could be marking too...

[globemaster]

Originally Posted by YorkieOwned5

IF she thinks she can get 8 or 9 hundred for a puppy, GOOD LUCK.. with this economy people just are not paying that much, she might be lucky to get 5 or 6 depending on where your located, but don't count on it. I recently spent a grand and got TWO, and they are beatiful with great bloodlines..... good luck, your gonna need it with little miss spoiled.. she's not doing the dog or you any favors..

HEAVEN forbid you have real children together... will she be able to change diapers and keep the house clean... just sayin......

Maybe those aren't bad things to bring up. The $ and the kids. She does everything to take care of the dog except house break it or prevent the breeding. She also does everything to take care of me, except housebreak (or whatever) the dog. There's no way she'd take my word for it on the money though. She swears by $800-900. Another reason why I'd love to get her on here with yall. I'd pay for the neutering if she'd let me, along with the carpet cleaning and belly bands. I just want sanitary living conditions instead of feeling like I'm living in the men's room of a professional wrestling event.

[globemaster]

Also... She had a cat that started peeing in the house outside of its litter box around the time she got the dog. Is the cat urine part of the problem? I'm assuming it is... The cat always went in the same spot so I'm thinking I can hit it with a cat enzyme cleaner and knock out most of that smell.

[globemaster]

Originally Posted by Breeze

He is marking because "she" bred him and did not train him. That is her mistake and not the dogs. He is doing what nature tells a adult dog that has been left unneutered and has been bred to do.

This maybe impossible to fix at this point. The dog should not be punished ever for doing this. I would stop with the punishments and use a belly band.

Am I better off cleaning the areas he's marked without an enzyme cleaner so that he won't remark it? Maybe I could just hit it with some sort of other cleaner...