japapups in ky beware or not

[topknot]

Okay - one more time. Hopefully the photo will be here now.
T.

[lisatodd]

topknot.....wholy $#!* she is absolutly beautiful. WOW!!!!!!! now that is a beauty.
i just wanted to let you know

and as far as this thread, i hope the two involved can work this out.

[topknot]

Lisa - thank you so much. She is a beauty!
I do not think that people on here realize that what they say can effect someone. This forum goes out to so many people and you do have to watch out how you go about doing something and especially watch how you say something. I do hope that all things will work out in the end. Dixie is a cutie. She may put on some more weight at around a year - 1.5 years of age. I had a bitch that was soooo small and seemed once she got to 4 pounds she stopped growing for a while. I just kept hoping that she may put on just one more pound in the end. I also checked with my vet and he assured me she would be fine and be close to 5 pounds as an adult. Well, you know how we worry - I was the worst and started to think of her weight all the time. It was driving me crazy! Well, she is now 5 pounds and did not put on the last weight till the very end. She is now 1 year and 5 months. I purchased her at 6 months of age and she was okay at that age and felt like she would be about 5 pounds. Well, then from 6 months to 1 year she did not grow much at all. So you just do not know.
My best to all involved and hope there is a happy ending.
T.

[cutiepieyorkies]

well i am not trying to bash pam and no she would not let me and a few others that bought pup go to her home to see parents thats a fact she always wanted us to meet at her work even though we met at a different place and my contract does state if she is not the quality or size i was needing she would buy her back i am not saying pam has bad dogs just
dixie is very small pam knew i was looking for a girl to show and she advertised her as a show girl and told me she believed dixie would get big enough to show she said at least 4.5 or bigger and pam needed the money asap so i bought her to also help pam out with what she needed the money for you are correct my bad for buying her so young and not knowing what she may be i just dont understand if it is in my contract to buy her back if she is small and can not be shown why should i have to waite a year and a half for her to do so by that time i would be very attached and not want to give her up and i dont understand why she sells these babies so young and of course with people like me buying one why not my bad there again pam is not a bad person i guess not all would agree with her breeding practices as they may not mine oh i take full responabilty for buying dixie i should have just looked for an older bigger girl so i knew what i was getting i keep telling her dixie was not growing and she kept telling me give it time but with her sisters twice her size at the same age i knew she would not get very big and i dont have the extra money to just buy pets with if pam does not buy dixie back which she stated to me in a email she is not in the position to buy dixie back at this time and for me to sell her and if she did buy her back she would have to see if she was big enough to buy for her breeding program
and i do have the email saved so are you telling me i should continue with her shots care and raising her to a year and a half old till pam decides if she wants her no i dont think that would be fair to me do you
this is just really messed up all i wanted to do is ask a few question that i was very unsure of and wanted to hear from others that had bought from her and i am the bad guy well if i am so be it but i dont take spending 2000 lightly do you and there are others on here that are not really happy either and if they dont want to step forward thats ok just because one person has a good experence doesnt mean the next will

[topknot]

One reason to wait is that she might get bigger once she is a year old. She is only just over 4 months now. She has a lot of growing still to do. You just do not know right now - what her adult weight will get to.

Most show potential from well know show breeders are going to cost you over 3,000 and co-ownership till championship title is earned and sometimes also a puppy back. You only paid 2,000.

Most reputable breeders place in their contracts that the buyer must contact the seller if they decide to sell or not keep the pup any more. This allows the breeder the first right to purchase back one of their own pups or to help rehome it. Sometimes the breeder does not have the available funds to buy back the pup, but they will do what they can to find it another home. Have you asked Pam to help you search for a new owner so you can rehome Dixie and buy another pup? Most reputable breeders I know - will ask the owner to hold on to the pup until it reaches a year old to make sure of the weight. It is just the norm.
T.

[pamspups]

its pam, thats what i used to say praise the Lord ! pups! never in the world would i have known how nasty people could be,,, i dont even want to breed for people like the ones who bash and slander others, ive neve done that to anyone, like i said,rose , id take her back after you try your hand at showing, if your not happy, because i liked you,and im hurtdeeply ,that you,& others for doing this , just go back and read the stuff you wrote, its slander, also i dont expect to see if dixie fits in my breeding program, most of mine arent breeders anyway, just lovers pam

[cutiepieyorkies]

that would be fine but dixie has been 2.6 for awhile now no sign of growing at all and i always try and keep enough money in my account that if someone is not happy and there is a problem i can comply yes you are right she still can grow but my vet told me with her body structer being so tiny he doubted she would get much bigger being a very small person and not having many dogs i get very attached to them i have a total of 4 at this time and really wanted to start her in a puppy class i know there is no right or wrong on this matter it just seems like all feel its ok with the whole thing and a very dear show breeder to me doubts she will get much bigger as she has seen her and said she thinks she will be to small for show or breeding you know yourself you need at least a five pound girl in the ring to do anything if your lucky

[cutiepieyorkies]

pam would you like me to post your email and i have showed so whats up with that i know about the show ring have you ? lets be nice i dont think this is being a really bad thread to what to know more about the breeder you bought your pup from i have not said once that you are a bad person or have bad dogs

[cutiepieyorkies]

you did advertise dixie as show potional at 8 weeks on puppy find and i did talk with you for several days about her and you did tell me to hurry up and make my mind up that you had another buyer i have the emails saved as well and you did tell me you needed to hurry up and sell her so you could buy another puppy in fact the day i bought her we sat in your car and talked about the dog you were in a hurry to buy and we both know what i am talking about i am just heart broken that i feel you knew she would be small and last year when we talked about a girl you had you would not sell her to me because you knew she would not get there so i know you must know your dogs and what they are going to do

[cutiepieyorkies]

so with all being said i have asked the adm to close this thread i guess you just dont need to talk about any breeder on her weather it be good or bad all is not what it always seem to all and its a shame that when i have several emails i could back my story up with that it is just not worth it i will do what i need to with dixie and chalk it up to a lesson learned
and yes pam you are right god does know all.....................

[Sugar's Mom]

i don't know how Pam can even insuiate that Rose doesn't love this baby. The day Rose went to get her she called me on the cell phone on her way home and was just 'over the moon" estatic about her. She is heartbroken that this has not worked out. pam keeps saying we don't know her, well, most of you don't know Rose either. She is a nice person and cares deeply for all her dogs. I have to admit when I first started talking to Rose I didn't know if I liked her or not but over the past few months we have gotten to know each other really well. her friendship has been a great asset to me and I have learned many things from her. We talk nearly every day. If Rose says that a dog isn't making the grade, you can trust that she knows what she is talking about.

[cutiepieyorkies]

thank you

[kpstoybox]

I purchased a male puppy from Pam Brummitt (Japa Pups) last September. He was born on 6/1/06, and was 14 weeks old when I purchased him. He was listed on Puppyfind as "Romeo". His parents were Teagan and Vegas.
I told Pam right from the start that I was wanting a male that would be in the 5 lb range as a future stud. She told me he was still under 3 lbs at 14 weeks, and that she knew her lines and this pup was just about done growing.

So, after talking with her some more, and seeing more pictures...I sent her the money by 2nd day mail and had the puppy shipped to me 2 days later. The puppy I received was NOT the puppy I thought I was getting, he was almost 1 lb bigger then she had just told me he was 2 days prior to getting him shipped. As anyone with a toy breed such as yorkies know...1 lb makes a huge difference when trying to estimate a pups future weight. If Pam would have been honest to me about the pups real size...I would have known he was going to be on larger side, and I would have looked elsewhere. Simple as that. But she chose to lie to me about his weight so that I would buy him.

I called Pam as soon as I returned home from picking him up, and she would not answer her phone or return any of my calls. I left messages, and pleaded with her to get back with me about the puppy, but she never once would pick up the phone, nor call me back. She had just shipped one of her "precious babies" on a plane...but would not pick up the phone to see if he at least made it safely. She knew I was unhappy and did not want to deal with me personally. The only way she would converse with me was through email.

She told me (by email) I did not love the puppy and was not giving him a chance. She kept promising me that she knew her lines and he would not get over 5 lbs. And if he did...she would resell him for me.

He also arrived with kennel cough, and was officially diagnosed by a vet 3 days after his arrival. Pam told me the puppy did not have kennel cough, even though my vet said he did. She said and I quote..."he only has a sore throat from crying all night because you don't love him".
Pam said it did not matter, as my 2 day guarantee was over...and my contract was now void. I offered to drive the puppy back to return him, and Pam told me that she never takes any puppies back and she would not take this one back since he was sick.

I made it perfectly clear to her from the beginning, that I wanted a breeding quality male. The pup I recieved was not breeding quality and quickly went over standard size.
She also lied to her vet, the airlines and the state of Kentucky about his age. He was over 14 weeks old and clearly needed a rabies vaccination (BY LAW) before he could be shipped to me. She told her vet and the airlines he was only 11 weeks old to keep from having to pay for the rabies shot.
The pup who now weighs over 8 lbs, is living a very happy life as a neutered pet. Something Pam should have sold him as in the first place. But I was new to the breed, and she saw me coming from a mile away. After reading this thread...I find something very interesting. Pam told me since my pup was over 14 weeks old, he was just about done growing and would not get much bigger. She kept telling me that "she knew her lines".
She now tells Rose that her 5 month old puppy who is out of the same bitch as the male I purchased, needs time to grow for a full year and a half to reach her final weight. Well Pam...which one is it?

[pamspups]

You Know , No One Can Garuntee Size, As It Says In My Contract, Also In Your Case, You Did Not Take Your Pup To The Vet For 5 Days, And If He Did Contract Kennel Cough I, It Was Not At My Place,it Also Stated In The Contract That You And Rose Signed, Same Contract I Give Everyone, You Have 48 Hrs To Take To The Vet, Neither One Of You Did That,so You Voided Your Contract, No Im Far From Perfect Myself, But I Know I Do The Right Thing And Oh, By The Way, If I Take Roses Pup Back, Its Because I Do Think She Will Grow Yet And Also I Love The Mom, I Never Wanted To Sell Either Of You A Dog, And Wish I Never Did, Both Of You Have Been Nothing But A Pain In The, ,, Since I Sold Them To You, I Have Warned Many Other Breeders About You All, So They Dont Get Harrased , I Doubt Either One Of You Will Ever Be Happy With Any Dog Ever, Pam

[pamspups]

This Is For You Karen, The State Of Ky Says They Dont Have To Be Vacinated For Rabies Untill 16 Weeks Old, 4 Mo, No ,no One Lied To You, You Did Not Take The Responsible Advice Of The Contract States, You Must Take To The Vet Within The 48 Hrs, As For Size, The Vet Has The Recorded Wieght At Time Of Sale, I Was Correct, You Were Wrong Tho Unhappy, Im Not Kmart Where You Can Buy And Decide If He Fits Into You Plan,, Ive Never Had A Person Wanting To Return One Before You,, Contract States I Do Not Garuntee Size, Or If You Will Be Able To Breed Or Show Your Dog, You Lied About Taking Him To The Vet , Saying 3 Days When It Was 5 Days, Yes If He Got Kennel Cough, Maybe He Got It From All The Other Dogs Coming And Going, As He Did Not Get It Here, The Real Reason You Didnt Want Him , Is He Wasnt A Tiny Dog, You Said Something Under 5 Lb, And Yes I Thought But Cant Garuntee That He Wouldnt Grow, You Cant Realy Garuntee That, Just As My Contract States