Susan Morgan / Glenda Albritton

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

How despicable! These breeders use this technique all the time threatening to kill their animals if people don't back off. It was even used on Yorkietalk! They do this with the USDA officials and brag about how those types of threats get them to back off.

I also posted along the same thought a few pages back but it seemed to have gotten buried in the assault on Elaine's poor judgement. There was at least one person who carried out her threat that still haunts me.

As for the suggestion by this vet to PTS breeding stock speaks to the vet who allowed Mia to be transported and sold being so ill. From what I have been able to see with a quick search of these women this is not the first sick puppy they have sold. Some have even died.

[SassyAnn101]

No Elaine, you do not deserve it, and I am sure next to the life of Mia the money doesn't mean anything to you. I know that is how I would feel. The nerve of these breeders? My Gizmo came from a BYB who I believe loved them, but did not know what she was doing. Tenci came from a pet store. When I first got Haley, she gave me a scare with a little blood in her poo. The vet said it was Giardia (I think). I came online here asking what this was? There were several people who was willing to help me, but others couldn't stop asking me to scan her pedigree and let them know who the breeder was. Turns out I got intouch with her breeder who was a very nice lady. She offered to help me in any way I needed her to. The vet said Haley had LP and some other problems too. The breeder offered to refund any money I had paid for her (and she had not even sold her to me), and pay for any medical bills I was out or any surgerys she may have to have in the future. This lady was so shocked by what the vet had told me. We have become friends due to this, and I do believe she is a good breeder. I believe this is what a good breeder should do, stand behind their litters, and help the puppies if they are any sick ones produced. I am sorry this was not the case with your little girl.

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

The ORIGINAL breeder now says (As of yesterday) that she will pay the vet bills, HOWEVER, in the same email she also says if I continue to cause her trouble she spoke to her vet who suggested she then put all her old animals down to avoid problems from activists like me. So, just because the vet bills MAY be paid, that statement of putting animals down to me further shows her as unreputable. Susan, who broker's her pups has not said a word about reimbursement. Thank you for your support. I don't mind taking the heat. I deserve it. I just don't want focus lost that even educated people will buy with their heart and hopefully this is that lesson that others will not repeat. Elaine

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

The ORIGINAL breeder now says (As of yesterday) that she will pay the vet bills, HOWEVER, in the same email she also says if I continue to cause her trouble she spoke to her vet who suggested she then put all her old animals down to avoid problems from activists like me. So, just because the vet bills MAY be paid, that statement of putting animals down to me further shows her as unreputable. Susan, who broker's her pups has not said a word about reimbursement. Thank you for your support. I don't mind taking the heat. I deserve it. I just don't want focus lost that even educated people will buy with their heart and hopefully this is that lesson that others will not repeat. Elaine

Not only a bad breeder but an extortionist as well. Your silence buys the lives of her dogs..WTH..forum rules and my desire to follow them, will prevent what I truly want to say. She should be reported to the police!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I too find it interesting who is doing this type of posting yet again. Just take a look around on so many threads and you will see the same thing repeatedly being done. Just the other day I posted about a questionable breeder and was attacked repeatedly in a pack mentality. It becomes very tiring to be in a constant self defense mode with every stoke of the key.

Elaine~all I can say to you is you have learned a very hard lesson and you should have followed your gut instincts when you first suspected what was going on with these women. I'm hoping that Mia makes a full recovery and has a long and healthy life. Hopefully you will take your experiences and help others not to make the mistakes that you have made.

Unfortunately that is a tactic used by many on YT. They take one thing and run with it. keeping the poster on the defense.

The entire purpose of the thread gets lost by the poor OP trying to explain what they meant or why they did what they did, while the attackers keep telling them what they really meant to say and why they really did what they did.

If every one would just learn to read the words and not insert their own words into someone elses post, it would make YT a much friendlier place.

Sorry to get off topic. I appologize to the OP.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

The ORIGINAL breeder now says (As of yesterday) that she will pay the vet bills, HOWEVER, in the same email she also says if I continue to cause her trouble she spoke to her vet who suggested she then put all her old animals down to avoid problems from activists like me. So, just because the vet bills MAY be paid, that statement of putting animals down to me further shows her as unreputable. Susan, who broker's her pups has not said a word about reimbursement. Thank you for your support. I don't mind taking the heat. I deserve it. I just don't want focus lost that even educated people will buy with their heart and hopefully this is that lesson that others will not repeat. Elaine

Give a bad breeder enough rope and sooner or later they'll hang themselves. All I can say is that someone who casually or flippantly remarks about putting animals down is, IMO, a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

[SassyAnn101]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Unfortunately that is a tactic used by many on YT. They take one thing and run with it. keeping the poster on the defense.

The entire purpose of the thread gets lost by the poor OP trying to explain what they meant or why they did what they did, while the attackers keep telling them what they really meant to say and why they really did what they did.

If every one would just learn to read the words and not insert their own words into someone elses post, it would make YT a much friendlier place.

Sorry to get off topic. I appologize to the OP.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I also posted along the same thought a few pages back but it seemed to have gotten buried in the assault on Elaine's poor judgement. There was at least one person who carried out her threat that still haunts me.

As for the suggestion by this vet to PTS breeding stock speaks to the vet who allowed Mia to be transported and sold being so ill. From what I have been able to see with a quick search of these women this is not the first sick puppy they have sold. Some have even died.

Do you really believe a vet told her to put them to sleep? I don't.

[PandaGirl]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Do you really believe a vet told her to put them to sleep? I don't.

I don't either which leads me to if you lie to me once you will lie to me again. Once you tell a lie your credibility is done.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Deb, is it possible that someone else is lying to you? It seems to me like the OP is being very open.

Someone might be playing you for a fool, using you to post their messages because they don't want to come on here themselves and look like an idiot.

This is exactly what I thought about, too. I know it is what happened to me. Someone sending emails and pm's around to certain people that they KNEW would post them whether they were true or not.

Anyway, Elaine, I am so sorry this happened to you and pray little Mia will soon recover.

[Sammy Mommy]

Sending get well hugs and prayers to your sweet little Mia. I hope she continues to improve each day.
I hope you get reimbursed for your vet bills. Anyone with a heart or a conscience would reimburse you.

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Do you really believe a vet told her to put them to sleep? I don't.

No, I do not believe that a vet would suggest putting them to sleep, HOWEVER, it is bothersome that she would write what she did and I am worried. I am worried because she mentioned before we had these issues that the breeder that had the mom to Brooklyn (She was a stud fee pup) got out of the business (her words not mine) and put most of the dogs down. She said she took some and that they were in bad shape. So, yes I do worry about animals being put down just because.... I was going to stay silent on this thead because I was afraid if I said anymore that I would jeopardize the animals she refered to but then I think staying silent could also jeopardize them. If she knows I posted this maybe she'll rethink what she wrote and not do what she threatened to do. I have been sick over it. Today, I had a migraine and hives from being so upset. I know it was said to cause just that "upsetness" and she got what she wanted. I was up all night. Elaine

[WV~Yorkies]

I am glad Mia is feeling better. It's also good to hear the breeder will help you with your vet bills. I hope your story will help buyers and breeders to be more aware. Keep us updated on her.

[jrsygal37]

Mia, the past two days or so has been doing great. Eating and playing. Still has the cough and some sneezing, but otherwise seems like any other normal puppy now. No more listlessness or sleeping so much. However, today she woke up with gook coming out of her nose. Like a kid with a snotty nose and once again coughing last night. She has that gaggy thing going on like we do when we have the nasal drip. I called the vet this morning, because she's now done with the antibiiotics and ear meds. Ears seem good now. The antibiots if you total it all up including when she was with Susan has been about 20 days on them. Five days on Zithromax with Susan (As per her vet) and then ten days with Clavamox and otomax, and then the vet added an additional five days to both Clavamox and Otomax.

I called him this morning and he wanted to run a swab test on her (About $200 or more for the test) to see what kind of organism he is dealing with. I said to him that Mia otherwised seemed fine other then the cough which he had told me may linger for weeks and now the snotty nose she woke up with. I asked if it were possible that maybe all the crap is just coming out of her now which would be a good thing. I told him that I didn't want to rack up another $200 bill on me or IF and I say IF the I ever get my money from the breeder as promised. He is going to recheck her on Thursday, but I'd like to ask the input of some of you older more experienced breeders. I know you have remedies that help with the congestion and snotty noses. I seems like maybe some sort of decongestant could be used? IDK. I'm just worried about her and want to see her get better. Is there anything that would be suggested that won't hurt her of course but may help her with this? I'm not cheap but I can't see racking another $200 in bills when she seems to be improving other the this snotty nose she now has.

Thanks
Elaine

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

Mia, the past two days or so has been doing great. Eating and playing. Still has the cough and some sneezing, but otherwise seems like any other normal puppy now. No more listlessness or sleeping so much. However, today she woke up with gook coming out of her nose. Like a kid with a snotty nose and once again coughing last night. She has that gaggy thing going on like we do when we have the nasal drip. I called the vet this morning, because she's now done with the antibiiotics and ear meds. Ears seem good now. The antibiots if you total it all up including when she was with Susan has been about 20 days on them. Five days on Zithromax with Susan (As per her vet) and then ten days with Clavamox and otomax, and then the vet added an additional five days to both Clavamox and Otomax.

I called him this morning and he wanted to run a swab test on her (About $200 or more for the test) to see what kind of organism he is dealing with. I said to him that Mia otherwised seemed fine other then the cough which he had told me may linger for weeks and now the snotty nose she woke up with. I asked if it were possible that maybe all the crap is just coming out of her now which would be a good thing. I told him that I didn't want to rack up another $200 bill on me or IF and I say IF the I ever get my money from the breeder as promised. He is going to recheck her on Thursday, but I'd like to ask the input of some of you older more experienced breeders. I know you have remedies that help with the congestion and snotty noses. I seems like maybe some sort of decongestant could be used? IDK. I'm just worried about her and want to see her get better. Is there anything that would be suggested that won't hurt her of course but may help her with this? I'm not cheap but I can't see racking another $200 in bills when she seems to be improving other the this snotty nose she now has.

Thanks
Elaine

I think with a tiny you have to error on the side of caution; they just can't fight off things like a bigger dog can. There are more trips to the vet and more expenses. Many of the breeders here have told me that they place tinies, they don't sell them, however, they are very careful about placement because tinies do require lots of money for this type of upkeep. You were very lucky with your first, but some dogs are tiny because of genetics, others are tiny because something went a little wrong. I think it would be a mistake to just trivialize this as a just "snotty nose." I mean, she's still so young, and very vulnerable. Best of luck, I'm praying for you and Mia.

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I think with a tiny you have to error on the side of caution; they just can't fight off things like a bigger dog can. There are more trips to the vet and more expenses. Many of the breeders here have told me that they place tinies, they don't sell them, however, they are very careful about placement because tinies do require lots of money for this type of upkeep. You were very lucky with your first, but some dogs are tiny because of genetics, others are tiny because something went a little wrong. I think it would be a mistake to just trivialize this as a just "snotty nose." I mean, she's still so young, and very vulnerable. Best of luck, I'm praying for you and Mia.

Thanks Nancy. We are getting hit with a bad snow storm, but I do have an appointment with the vet Thursday morning and if she shows signs of needing to go earlier I'll get her to an emergency vet. I'm just so thankful at this time that she is running and playing and eating, somthing she had not done since we got her. And, what made it hard is because I didn't know what her norm was, it's hard to tell if they aren't playing or eating too much if it's just their demenor or if it's because they are sick. She's night and day the past two days. Thanks again. Elaine