Susan Morgan / Glenda Albritton

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Do you really believe a vet told her to put them to sleep? I don't.

Yes I do believe that a vet would tell a poor breeder to get rid of the evidence. Obviously, you do not have the same knowledge as I do regarding the types of issues the rescues and shelters are faced with every day. I speak with knowledge

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

Mia, the past two days or so has been doing great. Eating and playing. Still has the cough and some sneezing, but otherwise seems like any other normal puppy now. No more listlessness or sleeping so much. However, today she woke up with gook coming out of her nose. Like a kid with a snotty nose and once again coughing last night. She has that gaggy thing going on like we do when we have the nasal drip. I called the vet this morning, because she's now done with the antibiiotics and ear meds. Ears seem good now. The antibiots if you total it all up including when she was with Susan has been about 20 days on them. Five days on Zithromax with Susan (As per her vet) and then ten days with Clavamox and otomax, and then the vet added an additional five days to both Clavamox and Otomax.

I called him this morning and he wanted to run a swab test on her (About $200 or more for the test) to see what kind of organism he is dealing with. I said to him that Mia otherwised seemed fine other then the cough which he had told me may linger for weeks and now the snotty nose she woke up with. I asked if it were possible that maybe all the crap is just coming out of her now which would be a good thing. I told him that I didn't want to rack up another $200 bill on me or IF and I say IF the I ever get my money from the breeder as promised. He is going to recheck her on Thursday, but I'd like to ask the input of some of you older more experienced breeders. I know you have remedies that help with the congestion and snotty noses. I seems like maybe some sort of decongestant could be used? IDK. I'm just worried about her and want to see her get better. Is there anything that would be suggested that won't hurt her of course but may help her with this? I'm not cheap but I can't see racking another $200 in bills when she seems to be improving other the this snotty nose she now has.

Thanks
Elaine

I agree with the advice that Nancy gave you. In addition, though, you might want to run a humidifier to help her loosen that "snotty nose" so she can get it out more easily. Especially since you are going to be running the heater a little bit more with a storm heading your way.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

Thanks Nancy. We are getting hit with a bad snow storm, but I do have an appointment with the vet Thursday morning and if she shows signs of needing to go earlier I'll get her to an emergency vet. I'm just so thankful at this time that she is running and playing and eating, somthing she had not done since we got her. And, what made it hard is because I didn't know what her norm was, it's hard to tell if they aren't playing or eating too much if it's just their demenor or if it's because they are sick. She's night and day the past two days. Thanks again. Elaine

Yes, I agree those are all wonderful signs! I know you've read all about hypoglycemia, but since you've been through so much, just a reminder, infections can also cause low blood sugar, I guess the body uses so much "energy" to fight off the infection. Again, you must be super diligent to look for the signs. I hope someone can answer your decongestant question; I wouldn't even want to take a dog out in weather like that.

[jencar98]

Elaine, decongestants can be given to dogs, but with Mia I wouldn't unless your vet okays it. That's great she is getting better though!

What Decongestants Can a Dog Take? | eHow.com

[Woogie Man]

I don't know of any decongestants that could be used safely. Though some are listed in Jenn's link, they don't say they are safe for puppies. Big difference between a dog and a pup, just like there is between an adult and a baby. Many products that are safe for older children or adults cannot be given to toddlers or babies.

The only thing I know to recommend is to boil up some chicken and add in a good bit of celery. The celery is aromatic and will help with the airways. You can smush up some of the cooked celery and feed it in with the chicken and broth. No need to set it aside. Add a little rice and you've got a meal.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I don't know of any decongestants that could be used safely. Though some are listed in Jenn's link, they don't say they are safe for puppies. Big difference between a dog and a pup, just like there is between an adult and a baby. Many products that are safe for older children or adults cannot be given to toddlers or babies.

The only thing I know to recommend is to boil up some chicken and add in a good bit of celery. The celery is aromatic and will help with the airways. You can smush up some of the cooked celery and feed it in with the chicken and broth. No need to set it aside. Add a little rice and you've got a meal.

Good point, Woogie. It also should be noted that none of those medications listed are actually decongestants. Dextromethorphan and Hycodan (hydrocodone) are cough suppressants. Guaifenasen is used to thin mucous to make it easier to drain. Dipenhydramine (bendadryl) might work on a runny nose, but only because one of the side effects of the medication is a drying of secretions.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I don't know of any decongestants that could be used safely. Though some are listed in Jenn's link, they don't say they are safe for puppies. Big difference between a dog and a pup, just like there is between an adult and a baby. Many products that are safe for older children or adults cannot be given to toddlers or babies.


The only thing I know to recommend is to boil up some chicken and add in a good bit of celery. The celery is aromatic and will help with the airways. You can smush up some of the cooked celery and feed it in with the chicken and broth. No need to set it aside. Add a little rice and you've got a meal.

I agree, excellent advice! The link was more to show it's possible, but as I mentioned not with out Mia's vets recommendation!


MMmmm....toss in some steamed broccoli and a meal for me too!

[jrsygal37]

Thanks guys. Pediatric nose drops were another reccomendation. She's going back Thursday morning. I really really hope that she continues to improve. I was so hopeful then this morning seeing the gook coming out of her nose. I guess the fact it's coming out is a good thing and I'm hoping that it just means she's getting better and that now the accute bronchitis may just be coming down to a simple cold. I do not want to put her through a test if I don't have to. The fact she is improving is a good sign, so this is why I want to wait a few days before having the vet do a test and sending it out. If she were not improving I would have done it right away. Elaine

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

Thanks guys. Pediatric nose drops were another reccomendation. She's going back Thursday morning. I really really hope that she continues to improve. I was so hopeful then this morning seeing the gook coming out of her nose. I guess the fact it's coming out is a good thing and I'm hoping that it just means she's getting better and that now the accute bronchitis may just be coming down to a simple cold. I do not want to put her through a test if I don't have to. The fact she is improving is a good sign, so this is why I want to wait a few days before having the vet do a test and sending it out. If she were not improving I would have done it right away. Elaine

I'm certainly no expert on this, but I don't see the nose running as a "good thing" and as if she's getting it all out. What it tells me is she's producing lots of stuff, and I'd want to know why. I think with a cough it's different, and people take expectorants to cough mucus up, and it's a good thing when it comes up rather than staying in the lungs, but this seems different, but then again, I don't know if dogs cough up stuff like humans. Did the vet say it was a good thing that her nose was running and act like this would help her?

[hartygirl]

Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend

Okay... I've read this entire thread and I can't keep my mouth shut

First of all, it is not fair to say the OP holds blame for the pup being sick. The OP holds blame for buying the pup from a red flag flaring breeder/broker/whatever the heck she is, that I do agree with. She should have never bought her. HOWEVER, the OP holds NO blame in my opinion for the sick pup.

I may just be the devil's advocate here but I have to disagree.

Given that the OP knew the past reputation of the breeders in question and that she has not had good experiences with them in the past (though by the grace of god her other pup is perfectly healthy) yet she pursued on with them in search of a tiny so her other smaller yorkie could have a playmate of the same size. Anyone that knowingly purchases from a Backyard Breeder or a Puppy Mill is part of the problem and not the solution.
This breeding program is exactly what I stated above, 2 backyard breeders.
If there was even a SLIGHT HINT of a question about the ethics of a breeder, which in this case there was, weather a "new breeding program" was started or not a puppy should have not been purchased so these people can continue to turn out sick pups and ruin the breed we all love so much. There is no excuse that makes that OK.
I know the OP says she made a mistake and there is no way she would give the sick pup back after she fell in love with it and I do agree that she should be compensated for the pups illness, I'd like to see all Millers and BYBers broke, out of business and all the pups that suffer at their hands in loving homes.
I will say that the OP knew better, especially with a background in rescue and being a long time poster on here, I'm sad and disappointed that she set this example when clearly there are those on here that would look to her for advise.
So hopefully Mia is safe and well in her loving home and the breeders lose business and no more dogs have to suffer through this in the name of greed, weather it is for money a tiny etc......

I'm not meaning to cast stones, I know this is going to come across harsh, and I am not without fault of course, but I learned from my mistakes and I know the OP will also and hopefully some of the YT'ers on here will as well.

[Furbaby Friend]

Originally Posted by hartygirl

I may just be the devil's advocate here but I have to disagree.

Given that the OP knew the past reputation of the breeders in question and that she has not had good experiences with them in the past (though by the grace of god her other pup is perfectly healthy) yet she pursued on with them in search of a tiny so her other smaller yorkie could have a playmate of the same size. Anyone that knowingly purchases from a Backyard Breeder or a Puppy Mill is part of the problem and not the solution.
This breeding program is exactly what I stated above, 2 backyard breeders.
If there was even a SLIGHT HINT of a question about the ethics of a breeder, which in this case there was, weather a "new breeding program" was started or not a puppy should have not been purchased so these people can continue to turn out sick pups and ruin the breed we all love so much. There is no excuse that makes that OK.
I know the OP says she made a mistake and there is no way she would give the sick pup back after she fell in love with it and I do agree that she should be compensated for the pups illness, I'd like to see all Millers and BYBers broke, out of business and all the pups that suffer at their hands in loving homes.
I will say that the OP knew better, especially with a background in rescue and being a long time poster on here, I'm sad and disappointed that she set this example when clearly there are those on here that would look to her for advise.
So hopefully Mia is safe and well in her loving home and the breeders lose business and no more dogs have to suffer through this in the name of greed, weather it is for money a tiny etc......

I'm not meaning to cast stones, I know this is going to come across harsh, and I am not without fault of course, but I learned from my mistakes and I know the OP will also and hopefully some of the YT'ers on here will as well.

You are not playing devil's advocate at all... you said it is her fault she bought from a poor breeder and she should not have. I said the same. It is her fault for buying from a bad breeder and she should not have.

What I said was that she is in no way responsible for the pup's illness. She did not cause it to be sick or do anything to make it sicker, which is what some were trying to imply. The majority of that responsibility falls with the breeder as I made a point of earlier.

Yes, she is responsible for buying from a bad place. No, she is not responsible for the puppy's illness.

[hartygirl]

She pumped $1,800 into a BYB'ers program that is turning out sick pups, she funded these ladies and as such is helping them sell sick pups to other unsuspecting purchasers OR suspecting brokers. So while I agree she did not "make" the pup sick or cause its illness I am implying that she is now responsible for other pups becoming sick at the hands of the breeders she funded.

[Rhetts_mama]

I don't think the OP is denying that she made a mistake going back to these BYB's. She acknowledges that she should not have. She also said she was given reassurances that the breeder had made significant strides to improving her breeding program. Perhaps she was too trusting. Perhaps she was wrong going after a tiny. Bottom line is that she was sold a sick pup that had no business leaving any breeder when it did. Should she have seen the red flags? Of course she should have. Did she reward a bad breeder with $? Affirmative on that, too. But at the end of the day, it was still the breeder who let a sick pup go.

[Furbaby Friend]

You weren't playing devil's advocate to my post at all then. That was my point. People were implying that maybe she was some how a contributing factor to the illness and as such the breeder may not have been responsible for all the sickness (and all the vet bills). That is BS and I was just pointing that out. She did what a good owner would do and did NOT make the pup sick in any way.

Originally Posted by hartygirl

She pumped $1,800 into a BYB'ers program that is turning out sick pups, she funded these ladies and as such is helping them sell sick pups to other unsuspecting purchasers OR suspecting brokers. So while I agree she did not "make" the pup sick or cause its illness I am implying that she is now responsible for other pups becoming sick at the hands of the breeders she funded.

Now to address this new post... Except she came on here and reported them as being a bad place to buy and I imagine put reviews up elsewhere. She is doing the responsible thing and warning others and is now, in fact, trying to PREVENT others from buying from them with these poor reviews. You are being very unfair by putting MORE guilt on her. Obviously she feels bad enough already about it and has admitted her mistake, as she should, but you don't need to put the weight of ALL their dogs on HER. That just isn't fair.

[Furbaby Friend]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I'm certainly no expert on this, but I don't see the nose running as a "good thing" and as if she's getting it all out. What it tells me is she's producing lots of stuff, and I'd want to know why. I think with a cough it's different, and people take expectorants to cough mucus up, and it's a good thing when it comes up rather than staying in the lungs, but this seems different, but then again, I don't know if dogs cough up stuff like humans. Did the vet say it was a good thing that her nose was running and act like this would help her?

I'm leaning toward Nancy on this one. I'd be afraid to leave her with a stuffy nose for that long without checking in with the vet. Granted, I probably would have been there harassing them anyway

If you're worried about the $200 test maybe borrow money from a family member or maybe invest in one of those pet care credit cards I keep hearing about?