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[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by archonis

She is akc. History shows at one time there where two types of yorkies large and small. Small being under 10 pounds. Large are rare now because they where no longer popular and this is also why I disagree with standards.

Can I ask where you got this info from?

[archonis]

My theory is if its pure then its pure there is no way around it. Yorkies will always have the waterside grand(the colors) and they where large dogs. In my opinion it's wrong to try and breed with in those standards. It's killing the heritage and creating health problems.
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[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by ladydispga

you are right 3 lb dogs are too tiny for any breed. but the yorkie is still suppose to be in the toy class. Breeding larger means somewhere in the line it was bred with something other than yorkie. Same with it being 3lbs, If you took a good look at a 3lbs yorkie they have the body stature of a chiahuahua.

Yorkies where created by the breeding of two other breeds and originally they where bigger then the standard calls for now.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by archonis

My theory is if its pure then its pure there is no way around it. Yorkies will always have the waterside grand(the colors) and they where large dogs. In my opinion it's wrong to try and breed with in those standards. It's killing the heritage and creating health problems.
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Not having some kind of standard and people not following it is causing some really bad non looking Yorkies.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by archonis

My theory is if its pure then its pure there is no way around it. Yorkies will always have the waterside grand(the colors) and they where large dogs. In my opinion it's wrong to try and breed with in those standards. It's killing the heritage and creating health problems.
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In all honesty there are many bigger Yorkies that have many health problems.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by archonis

I had this really long message road up then I got a text message and hit the wrong button on my phone.

I made the comment about no defense of replies because I'd rather than other threads Where are other breeders would put the original poster down and make him look like an idiot When all he had was a simple question. It was obvious the original poster did not know the 500 answers to the Breeders 500 questions so why even reply?

I think the point of my regional question was mis read. Let's not get breeding standards and pet standards confused. Correct me if I'm wrong. Show standard states that yorkie should not be no more than 7 pounds. Hey Yorkshire should not be no more than 10 pounds not for show. We should never breed a female under 5.

Let's not forget that AKC and all the other organizations are based for show not pet breeds. You can have to show quality dogs and still have offsprings that do not me show standards. The Off spring could have more health problems than any other puppy. I thought the point was to improve the nreed.


The original question was if it was safe because of her being almost nine pounds. This is pet not show.

The point is to carry on her legacy. She is akc and I do have her pedigree.

If you must know why I want to do this well here you go.

She is my ex wife's dog. My wife loves her very much she is smart and intelligent. She is everything a dog could be very playful and happy lovable just gorgeous. She is in very good health. My wife loves this dog very much. My wife has passed. She was killed in a car accident by drunk driver. My Molly is all I have left of her. Molly could die tomorrow. Getting another puppy to satisfy me is not the option or the point.

There is no such thing as a "pet" standard. The standard is the standard for all to consider, whether or not they want to breed to the standard.

I don't know where you got that idea; but it is incorrect that there is a pet "standard" and a show standard. Is the show standard with-out fault of course not.

But have you done the genetic testing - breed specific for the Yorkshire Terrier"?? BATS, LP, HD, PRA. to name just a few tests that should be done prior to breeding your bitch.

In fact I would agitate for a "Standard" that requries passes on all the above prior to having a Championship issued. As well as a pass on Temperament testing.

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by ladydispga

you are right 3 lb dogs are too tiny for any breed. but the yorkie is still suppose to be in the toy class. Breeding larger means somewhere in the line it was bred with something other than yorkie. Same with it being 3lbs, If you took a good look at a 3lbs yorkie they have the body stature of a chiahuahua.

Excuse me??? I don't know who's smaller yorkie you have been looking at but I have a little almost 3lb girl who is as square and compact as she could be. Which btw is yorkie standard. When wet there are no bones showing she is a very healthy little girl. She was not bought for her size, was suppose to be in the 5 to 6lb range. Her mom was 6lbs dad 5. So not sure where you get your information from. I got yorkies because I absolutely love everything about the breed. Looks, size, temperment. To change them by breeding for tinies or for large is to me just not a good thing.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by nanahas3

Excuse me??? I don't know who's smaller yorkie you have been looking at but I have a little almost 3lb girl who is as square and compact as she could be. Which btw is yorkie standard. When wet there are no bones showing she is a very healthy little girl. She was not bought for her size, was suppose to be in the 5 to 6lb range. Her mom was 6lbs dad 5. So not sure where you get your information from. I got yorkies because I absolutely love everything about the breed. Looks, size, temperment. To change them by breeding for tinies or for large is to me just not a good thing.

I was offended too by the comment she made all larger yorkies are mixed with something. Larger yorkies are often steriotyped this way and anyone who claims it has not read about yorkie heritage where in the past the yorkie was a larger dog than it is today. Its been bred down. And thats how we get the tinier yorkies they arent mixed either, Its insulting

[MyLilMimi]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

My Yorkies is 16 pounds and I got her from a broker who got there puppy's from a puppy mill before I was educated. I love the bigger Yorkies but purposely breeding for them is good for the breed.

I would have to Disagree!
I wouldn't think that Purposely breeding Yorkies to be
Too Small Or Too Big would be good for the breed at all!!

[archonis]

I really think everyone should do some more research. Yorkies where never "SMALL" (under 5 pounds) to start with. breeders made them that way by breeding within standers. There where two types of yorkies and the largers are fading out and its said.

The comment about larger yorkies are mixed, this is simply not true. Please research SKYE and WATERSIDE. Those are yorkies roots and will always carry that line.

Now you will see where they get there color and long hair, research how genes are passed.

Originally Posted by chachi

I was offended too by the comment she made all larger yorkies are mixed with something. Larger yorkies are often steriotyped this way and anyone who claims it has not read about yorkie heritage where in the past the yorkie was a larger dog than it is today. Its been bred down. And thats how we get the tinier yorkies they arent mixed either, Its insulting

[archonis]

breeding within so called standers made them that way! thumbs up!

Originally Posted by chachi

I was offended too by the comment she made all larger yorkies are mixed with something. Larger yorkies are often steriotyped this way and anyone who claims it has not read about yorkie heritage where in the past the yorkie was a larger dog than it is today. Its been bred down. And thats how we get the tinier yorkies they arent mixed either, Its insulting

[archonis]

I cant remember the name of the book but this site talks about it but a little mis leading.

Yorkshire Terrier History

So called standerds are what they want them to look like, pure is pure! dont try to alter them and only create a perfect breed. No one get mad by me staying this but didnt hitler try to do something along those lines?
I guess everyone should get anyone who has red hair fixed.

If its pure and your pedigree and stuff show it, there should not be a issue.

Oh, research shows the smaller you go the more health problems you get. its true some larger ones do have health issues but thats due to bad breeding and even then its not half as much as a 3# yorkie.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Can I ask where you got this info from?

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by chachi

I was offended too by the comment she made all larger yorkies are mixed with something. Larger yorkies are often steriotyped this way and anyone who claims it has not read about yorkie heritage where in the past the yorkie was a larger dog than it is today. Its been bred down. And thats how we get the tinier yorkies they arent mixed either, Its insulting

There seems to be a lot of comments being thrown out there that are not based on reality or history of the Yorkie, but rather pure conjecture or personal theories. Some of the comments and analogies are absolutely ludicrous!

[archonis]

This topic went to the left field.

All i was saying was every club has there own standerds on what a yorkie should look like for show. Pure is pure. We should not breed to standerds if there not going to be show bc your losing the yorkie and what they where ment to be. Most breeder thinks it has to be done within those standers and my mind thats wrong and not true. There where once larger yorkies and its said that they are fading out.

If it was true that you can only breed within standers then why does AKC, UKC and so on have deffrent standerds? how are there deffrent types of yorkies? How did parti come about? that could never happen if standerds where meet.

[MyLilMimi]

Originally Posted by archonis

This topic went to the left field.

All i was saying was every club has there own standerds on what a yorkie should look like for show. Pure is pure. We should not breed to standerds if there not going to be show bc your losing the yorkie and what they where ment to be. Most breeder thinks it has to be done within those standers and my mind thats wrong and not true. There where once larger yorkies and its said that they are fading out.

If it was true that you can only breed within standers then why does AKC, UKC and so on have deffrent standerds? how are there deffrent types of yorkies? How did parti come about? that could never happen if standerds where meet.

It seems Many Threads start to veer off topic. LOL!!

Interestingly I found another thread talking about Yorkie Standards and Why...

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...dards-why.html